Any sense in this? Or am I just a gamblor?

spectre

Fitz 1/2 PLHE. I have recently lost a few pots here and am getting a bit Tilty. Villain is Oberon and has a stack of 260, I have about 300. For all those that don't know him, he is a good LAG player, however he is down quite a bit and on Tilt.

We've just had 4 new players come to the table who come in as a guest for E1 each so UTG makes it 11 to go. I call in UTG+1 with K9d. Two more callers, Villain makes it 70 to go from the BB.

I shove, figuring that his reraising range here is very wide. He may also call with a hand that I'm not such a big dog to.

Comments please?

Marq

spectre wrote:

We've just had 4 new players come to the table who come in as a guest for E1 each so UTG makes it 11 to go.

Was this really the Fitz? I'd never let players come in as a guest for a quid.

Oh and Bobby, you're mental.

BigCityBanker

Questionable imo.

A tilty Oberon here will call.

spectre

Marq wrote:

Was this really the Fitz? I'd never let players come in as a guest for a quid.

Oh and Bobby, you're mental.

Blame Dennis, he was dealing, it was all his fault. 4 new players arrived in front of the button so instead of each of them buying the button, they were let in for a quid a piece.

LuckyLloyd

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Gholimoli

looks fine

ianmc38

I like it. Alot.

bops

i never like the play when you call a raise in early position & the push when a reraise comes along - it just looks like you were happy for a few people to see the flop, but now you don't want to see a flop at all !!

...then again his large reraise on the BB looks equally as dodgy!

...so I suppose it's not the worst play in the world - and yes it is a gamble - you will probably get the call, but you will hopefully/probably have 2 live cards - so it aint so bad

The "big tilty-heads" showdown will be interesting for the 4 newcommers - some will really like it / some may leave the table asap!!

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

i never like the play when you call a raise in early position & the push when a reraise comes along - it just looks like you were happy for a few people to see the flop, but now you don't want to see a flop at all !!

...then again his large reraise on the BB looks equally as dodgy!

flat calling a raise in early position with AA,KK,QQ is actually great play hoping some one behind you will try and squeez and then you come over the top so it dosent mean you dont want to see a flop.

also the reraise from BB dosent look dodgy at all.there is nearly 50 in the pot and he would make that raise with AA,KK,QQ so whats so dodgy about it?

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

flat calling a raise in early position with AA,KK,QQ is actually great play hoping some one behind you will try and squeez and then you come over the top so it dosent mean you dont want to see a flop.

also the reraise from BB dosent look dodgy at all.there is nearly 50 in the pot and he would make that raise with AA,KK,QQ so whats so dodgy about it?

Both moves look dodgy to me considering the very important fact that they both had big titly heads on 'em

...if I said that your were a great player - i'm guessing you would disagree??

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

Both moves look dodgy to me considering the very important fact that they both had big titly heads on 'em

...if I said that your were a great player - i'm guessing you would disagree??

i disagree when your not making sense and are wrong.
if you had AA,KK in the BB in that hand what would you do?

ianmc38

Gholimoli wrote:

i disagree when your not making sense and are wrong.
if you had AA,KK in the BB in that hand what would you do?

Obvious check. Keep that pot as multiway as possible to extract maximum value from your AA/KK.

bops

...well i wouldn't reraise x6

bops

apologies to you mr spectre,

i will not post anymore here ty

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

...well i wouldn't reraise x6

would you check behind to extract most value from AA ,KK in a multiway pot?

AmarilloFats

So UTG folded to the 70 raise!!
Would have villain have given UTG credit for a hand??

There were 2 hands in HSP, in one Negreneau raises a Elezra raise Greenstein pushes w/ JJ....A little later Negreneau raises a David Grey raise and Greenstein folds AK...MAybe relevant.

What's his folding range? Whats your equity against his calling range..??LOL Its that easy

spectre

AmarilloFats wrote:

So UTG folded to the 70 raise!!
Would have villain have given UTG credit for a hand??

There were 2 hands in HSP, in one Negreneau raises a Elezra raise Greenstein pushes w/ JJ....A little later Negreneau raises a David Grey raise and Greenstein folds AK...MAybe relevant.

What's his folding range? Whats your equity against his calling range..??LOL Its that easy

UTG was also new to the table, if he had been familiar with Oberon, he would've been all-in for his last 100 for sure (EDIT: he had TT).

Obviously, had he called, my hand would be insta-mucked

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

Obvious check. Keep that pot as multiway as possible to extract maximum value from your AA/KK.

Is my sacro-metre running right?

califano

spectre wrote:

Comments please?

No way you make this post if you hadnt won a couple of things recently:p

I always notice the ones that win stuff then post some of their wacky plays from elsewhere;)
Nothing gets by me, im onto you!:)

jimbling

gholi is right about the play... i.e. calling with AA/KK in that pos is an excellent play, as any semi-decent hand coming in behind you is going to try and isolate and minimize the number of players. Obviously you're taking a risk, but it can be very very beneficial - especially when you got a known tilter on the button.



However, you don't have AA/KK here, and at this stage I would probably be pretty sure that villain will call your all in, so I still don't really like the move for that reason.



PS: can we please not turn another thread into a Bops Vs Gholi and Iain thread :eek:

spectre

rounders123 wrote:

No way you make this post if you hadnt won a couple of things recently:p

I always notice the ones that win stuff then post some of their wacky plays from elsewhere;)
Nothing gets by me, im onto you!:)

Nah I'm just an unhinged maniac on permanent tilt. I'm well entitled to make plays like this

spectre

Okay here's what happened anyway. Our villain seemed rather shocked and discombobulated (thanks El_Stuntman) when I shoved, it was folded back around to him though he called quite quickly with 77. I won the race with a 9 on the turn. I think Lloyd gave a pretty good analysis, I reasoned it the same way at the time but like I say, I was tilting myself at the time and didn't really mind embracing the gamble.

Mind you, I think the only hand he calls me with that has me dominated with is AK, maybe KQ. I was hoping he would fold of course but thought he may call with any pocket pair or AK/AQ and possibly KQ/AJ

califano

spectre wrote:

Nah I'm just an unhinged maniac on permanent tilt. I'm well entitled to make plays like this

lol i think you might be right or else balls of steel or both!. How can you keep your discipline online though if you do this in a live game?.

cardshark202

When I realised who Oberon was a while back I remembered some big pots i played against him long ago. To cut the story short, DO NOT TRY BLUFF HIM OFF A HAND.

ianmc38

If you dog him in this hand, the impending tilt he'll go on make this move EV+++++++++. Oberon can also raise to 70 here with 24o when he's tilting so the move with K9 is fine IMO.