Some Holdem Hands

ianmc38

All 0.50/1 Tribeca

Hand 1:

Effective stacks 120.

I have been raising every unopened pot from the cutoff and button with any 2 cards. My stats are like 40 35 6 over 200 hands. I've been chatting to the villain for a while in the chat box. he seems to know what he's on about. he's started repopping it from the blinds when I button raise.

The hand:

I raise to 4 on the button with JJ. Villain pushes from the big blind. He hasn't done anything like this for the entire session.

Call or fold?

Hand 2:

Different table.

Effective stacks for this are 70. No reads.

I open from the cutoff to 4 with 77. The small blind repops it to 12. I call.
Flop TT2. SB pushes.

Call or fold?

Hand 3:

Effective stacks 100. Again no reads.

I open for 4 UTG with 7d8d. Button is the only caller. Has been floating alot.

Flop T22. I bet 8. Turn T. I bet 20. He thinks for ages and calls.
River 3. I check. He bets 20. I push.

Good, bad or horrific?

Hand 4

Effective stacks are 150.

I open UTG with 22 to 3. Big blind raises to 8. I'm the only caller.
Flop 238.

He checks I bet 8. He minraises to 16 so I minraise to 24. He minraises to 32.

I shove.

OK?

Bandana boy

Hand 1
I think this is tt JJ QQ AK and even AQ way more than AA KK but really 120 into pot of 6 i think i fold

Hand 2 i am really tempted to call here and if i have been as aggresive as you i in fact do

Hand 3 meh not a lot else you can do to win hand but i think unless he was floating you with some equally cr@p hand he will call here a lot

Hand 4 i would prefer rasing his 16 to 35 if he has a set your going broke anyway but he might get away from his op here with a 3 bet and the 3rd bet being 120
if he raises your 35 he is pot committed

Gholimoli

hand 1:
call

2:call

3:dont like it,i would rather a shove my self than CRAI but just give it up after getting called on two streets.

cardshark202

fold
fold
spew
don't min-raise

bops

1) Call
2) Call
3) Horrfic - will be called with an A
4) Shove is fine

willis

cardshark202 wrote:

fold
fold
spew
don't min-raise

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Ste05

1) Fold
2) Hmmm, ye, just about call, but fold fine too.
3) Don't like, but it would be Villain dependant.
4) He has AA, KK, or 88 and is a donkey, so I don't think it matters what you do, it should all get in there fine. But I wouldn't be min-raising.

ianmc38

Its the first time I'd minraised in quite a while. Obviosuly minraise isn't my standard line, but I was lolling at him minriaisng me. He reminraised too quick for me to type in how do you like demz apples.

gocall01

1) Fold (tiny pot not worth it).
2) Fold.
3) I believe you are dead here.
4) I would have shoved 1 round earlier (if he has trip 8, so be it).

fuzzbox

Hand 1 - its almost never TT- or AJ- so I can find a fold.
Hand 2 - fold
Hand 3 - prolly spew
Hand 4 - minraise again :-).

TacT

fold 1
fold 2
what the hell 3?
shove 4

DapperGent

cardshark202 wrote:

fold
fold
spew
don't min-raise

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Hectorjelly

hand 1 is super easy fast call, if he has been reraising you normally than this is always AK AQ
hand 2 probably fold
hand 3 horrible, really really really really really bad. At 50 1 you dont need to ever make big bluffs and in my experience they nearly always get called. I have so many hands at that level where I had bets called with hands that could often not beat a bluff
hand 4 he probably has a set, id pay him off anyway though.

spectre

1. Call, he has AK/AQ
2. Dunno, I might find a call, defo not instafold, lots of players who repop oop with AK at this level don't know what to do when they miss the flop.
3. I prefer betting the river as he may not fold an Ace now.
4. I go broke

ianmc38

Results:

Hand 1:

HJ had it right. He had been reraising normal amounts for the whole session. I figured he never does this with QQ+ and called. He had AQ and the jacks held up.


Hand 2:

I made a great read putting him on AK and called. Unfortunately, I was slightly off as the ace was actually a king and I failed to suck out.

Hand 3:

He'd been floating alot when in position. I'd been check-folding a few rivers when similar action had taken place and this was the 1st time i'd crai against him. He timed down and folded.

Hand 4.

He had 88.

AmarilloFats

I find hand 1 interesting.
hand 1: I feel it's close, but believe it's a fold. I do thinksy his range is heavily weighted towards AQ AK, but he will have QQ+ often enough here.......and v v rarely -TT....
I'd paste some pokerstove stuff in here but can't access...
but if he has AK AQ 60% of time, QQ+ 25% time and lower PP 15%....It works out at about ~50%,,,,....
So maybe its a call after all..I dunno!!
HJ why u think its a super easy call.

Bandana boy

spectre wrote:

1. Call, he has AK/AQ

A lot of people have suggested calling 120 into a pot of 6 because we believe his range is AK/AQ
Surely this is a bad decision this is a coin toss if we want coin toss's should you go bet on black in roulette
Now i thought this was his range but would fold here (of course i would raise if that option was available but it is not ) although I would actually add in JJ and QQ
In general are we willing to call of our entire stack in a cash game on a 50/50 pre flop ?

ianmc38

I think against a hand range of AJ+ and 99-QQ we are about 55% to win the hand. That edge is more thna enough for me to call for my stack ina cash game for obvious reasons.

If it's just AK/AQ then we are about the same to win the hand.

spectre

Bandana boy wrote:

A lot of people have suggested calling 120 into a pot of 6 because we believe his range is AK/AQ
Surely this is a bad decision this is a coin toss if we want coin toss's should you go bet on black in roulette
Now i thought this was his range but would fold here (of course i would raise if that option was available but it is not ) although I would actually add in JJ and QQ
In general are we willing to call of our entire stack in a cash game on a 50/50 pre flop ?

JJ Vs AK/AQ has 56.5% win equity so defo worth calling, I'll take whatever edge I can get at the poker-table, no matter how small

Bandana boy

If you add 99 and tt in there i agree its a call if you add AJ its a insta call
If we say only AK/AQ its not 56.5% its less than 54% thats less of an edge I would expect most winning players to have against a random opponent

AmarilloFats

Bandana boy wrote:

If you add 99 and tt in there i agree its a call if you add AJ its a insta call
If we say only AK/AQ its not 56.5% its less than 54% thats less of an edge I would expect most winning players to have against a random opponent

Are you saying u would fold if villain turned AK/AQ face up??

ianmc38

Bandana you must be mad if you think a winning player would turn down a 10% edge all-in preflop in a cash game.

And the numbers are:

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 56.1845 % 55.98% 00.20% { JJ }
Hand 2: 43.8155 % 43.61% 00.20% { AQs+, AQo+ }

Ste05

This is an insta-call if it's AQ+, BUT, those numbers are crazy, AA, KK, QQ, will certainly make this move from time to time, to say this is never QQ+ can't be right. I have been shown QQ+ here far too often to make this a profitable call.

Maybe the Tribeca donkey's will never do this with QQ+ (I don't play Tribeca much) and are more predictable, but in my experience on other sites at .50/1 this is QQ+ enough to still make me think a fold is the correct play here.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

I think against a hand range of AJ+ and 99-QQ we are about 55% to win the hand. That edge is more thna enough for me to call for my stack ina cash game for obvious reasons.

If it's just AK/AQ then we are about the same to win the hand.

Yeah if thats his range, but really, its hardly ever 99/TT/AJ, and its sometimes QQ/KK/AA.

This is a "small bit ahead or way behind" situation.

ianmc38

I really think it's never KK/AA unless we're getting to nth level thinking where he knows that I know yaddy ya.

cardshark202

It is definitely sometimes QQ/KK/AA, no question about it. I've seen it more than enough times.

cardshark202

I think this is an easy fold unless you know the villain well enough.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

I really think it's never KK/AA unless we're getting to nth level thinking where he knows that I know yaddy ya.

Do you know how often it has to be AA/KK/QQ before you turn a loss?

phantom_lord

fuzzbox wrote:

Do you know how often it has to be AA/KK/QQ before you turn a loss?

Assuming the lowest end of his range is two over cards, against which we're 50/50...and we're about 18% against a higher pair...

It's a loss for anything above it being 0% of the time...?



Hmmm.

fuzzbox

phantom_lord wrote:

Assuming the lowest end of his range is two over cards, against which we're 50/50...and we're about 18% against a higher pair...

It's a loss for anything above it being 0% of the time...?



Hmmm.

We are a 55/45 favouite Vs overcards, and there is some money in the pot alraedy, so its not as clear as that.

phantom_lord

fuzzbox wrote:

We are a 55/45 favouite Vs overcards, and there is some money in the pot alraedy, so its not as clear as that.

Something like 13.6+%? Ignoring the dead money, cause I'm lazy.

ianmc38

I'm thinking about 15% of the time, maybe slightly more.

I did some very rough calculations, but they're in my head so could be wrong.

mewso

If this guy knows what hes doing even slightly then explain why he pushes here with QQ/KK/AA? If he has been repopping it to Ian's button raises and Ian has presumably let at least one or two collections of rags go then he would have to know that pushing with those hands here is bad.
I was late to this thread as usual but in hand 1 I would have called pretty quickly but then I'm no cash game expert.