Callingstations - Help required to kill them!!

bops

In the last week - I have made the same error twice. Situations were very similiar - 200+ buy-in live tournies - level 4/5 - healhy stacks...

anyway in both I reraised after the river - a good solid reraise - not an overbet - nor small enough to call bet - just a good solid "i'm sure my hand is better than yours" bet

I was very reluctanlty called in both:
First guy had top pair with poor kicker on a dangerous board - the call was for most of his stack and he didn't like making the call.

The second guy made me laugh - he sighed and made the call saying "you have me" (and meant it!!)

My table image at the time imo was "solid"
In both situations I knew they had weak hands, but I also knew they were capable of making very marginal calls.

In fairness to both players - the calls made were excellent - its just the manner in which they were made gets me :rolleyes:

Should I have just givin up - or would pushing here have gotten me the fold??
Any advice much appreciated

Hectorjelly

lol

DeadParrot

bops wrote:

The second guy made me laugh - he sighed and made the call saying "you have me" (and meant it!!)

I hate when that happens

luckylucky

I think you answered the question for yourself, so not sure why you asked it again at the end no point in pushing if they r calling stations as u stated - all u can do is value play those guys nothing fancy except to bet ur good draws small(ish) in the hope of em getting paid off big when u hit.

Anyway yeah it's frustrating and i've done it myself 2 but betting when u think u r behind and u think the chance r high they will look u up - well it's kinda self-evident it's pointless.

bops

luckylucky wrote:

I think you answered the question for yourself, so not sure why you asked it again at the end

Sorry - when i say pushing at the end - I mean an All in push - unsure if asking them the biggest question will deter them/or make the call easier!

Gholimoli

raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise

bops

luckylucky wrote:

all u can do is value play those guys nothing fancy except to bet ur good draws small(ish) in the hope of em getting paid off big when u hit.

Very good advice - the 1st hand I was outkicked, the second hand i was beting with a nut flush draw and got 2 HU on the river with only the calling station left. We both had stacks of about 8k - the pot was too big for me to let go imo - there was 4k in the pot and he bet 800 at it with 2nd pair. I reraised it to 4k...

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise

all of the above done to no avail :mad:

luckylucky

bops wrote:

all of the above done to no avail :mad:

Know da feeling, as gholi suggests da check raise is a tactic that can work against these type of players but sometimes even that is no use - they just won't buy it that u have a hand - so if that's da case u going to have to start showing em some hands - and make em pay dearly for their curiosity - maybe then they'll respect ur bets for a while at least.

Gholimoli

ffs i was being sarcy,im shocked that that advice was actually followed and is actually ebing commented on.
sigh...

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

ffs i was being sarcy,im shocked that that advice was actually followed and is actually ebing commented on.
sigh...

You gotta ask yourself the question - "how come my sarcy advice appears to be good advice????"

phantom_lord

lol. Calling stations are great As long as they're not to your immediate left what's the problem? Don't bluff them. overbet your strong hands, and don't try to push them off pots/

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

You gotta ask yourself the question - "how come my sarcy advice appears to be good advice????"

i think you gotta ask your self the question,
how can this :
"raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise" Ever be good advice or more to the point be interpreted as good advice .
(Not to mention the advice was give totally out of context as I don’t think that line can ever be good in any context but hey you’re the one who tried it so you must know better)

bops

phantom_lord wrote:

...and don't try to push them off pots/

Thanks - I suppose that's the answer in a nutshell

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

i think you gotta ask your self the question,
how can this :
"raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise" Ever be good advice or more to the point be interpreted as good advice .
(Not to mention the advice was give totally out of context as I don’t think that line can ever be good in any context but hey you’re the one who tried it so you must know better)

You gotta ask yourself the question:
How could I (of all people) take your post seriously for one second - knowing who YOU are and the fact that I DID NOT GIVE HAND DETAILS !!!!!

...you really are a clown - honestly - any luck on getting the big screen yet??

luckylucky

Gholimoli wrote:

ffs i was being sarcy,im shocked that that advice was actually followed and is actually ebing commented on.
sigh...

Jeez getting sarcy(or should i say miffed) that ur sarcasm didn't get detected - uve been in Ireland 2 long Gholi - think u really have gone native

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

any luck on getting the big screen yet??

Gholimoli wrote:

raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise

bops wrote:

all of the above done to no avail

i think this is the big picture

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

i think this is the big picture

at least you have a sense of humour - fair play m8

ianmc38

Bops how can you expect advice on a hand when you dont provide any of the hand details other than you made a "solid raise" on the river.

As for Gholimoli, he is an assclown.

bops

ianmc38 wrote:

Bops how can you expect advice on a hand when you dont provide any of the hand details other than you made a "solid raise" on the river.

As for Gholimoli, he is an assclown.

I hear you - but it's irrelevant imo in this case - will just confuse the issue and i'll get "raise more preflop..." etc etc responses

...assclown is an excellent read

ianmc38

But if you can provide the details of the hand, board textures and descriptions of the villains in the 2 hands, then it's easier for people to provide you with a logical response as to whether your bluffs were good, bad or terrible...

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

Bops how can you expect advice on a hand when you dont provide any of the hand details other than you made a "solid raise" on the river.

As for Gholimoli, he is an assclown.

Hand details for analysis are so amateurish you gotta see the big picture Ian (which you are failing to do so as usual) .
Answer the question “Should I have just givin up - or would pushing here have gotten me the fold??”
BTW when you are answering the question bare in mind that he has tried this “raise more pre-flop,check raise the flop,lead the turn,check raise the river fold to a reraise”
Already but that didn’t work so come up with something else.

ianmc38

Shove preflop. Shove flop. Shove turn. Shove river. Muck immediately if called.

bops

you two crack me up!

Ste05

bops wrote:

I hear you - but it's irrelevant imo in this case - will just confuse the issue and i'll get "raise more preflop..." etc etc responses

I'm slightly confused Bops, without more information there's really not much else people can say other than don't bluff calling stations, what are you trying to get out of this thread??

I'd say that alot of people are probably wondering if you're really looking for help, advice or indeed even trying to start a meaningful discussion (about what, I'm not sure yet)??

We all know what happened the last time you asked for help, it ended up just being a thread where you tried to convince us all about your Poker skills??

Maybe if you just said what you want to talk about we could open up a proper discussion.

Is it the case that you want to talk about why calling stations call??

There's no way to know if someone would fold to a push but call a smaller bet, unless we know more information, what story were you trying to tell the opponent, did it make sense or not, it's like coming into a murder mystery novel at page 75 and trying to figure out whether it was the butler or the maid who killed the old lady's cat??

ianmc38

Ste05 wrote:

it's like coming into a murder mystery novel at page 75 and trying to figure out whether it was the butler or the maid who killed the old lady's cat??

It was actually the old lady. Turns out she was senile and had fed the cat poison instead of it's usual Whiskas. Good book though. I could have sworn it was that butler. Seemed like the cat murdering sort.

Ste05

ianmc38 wrote:

It was actually the old lady. Turns out she was senile and had fed the cat poison instead of it's usual Whiskas. Good book though. I could have sworn it was that butler. Seemed like the cat murdering sort.

Ahhh, I figured out it was poison in the food alright, but because I missed the first 74 pages I didn't know who fed the cat. It all makes sense now. D'Oh

Cheers Ian..

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

It was actually the old lady. Turns out she was senile and had fed the cat poison instead of it's usual Whiskas. Good book though. I could have sworn it was that butler. Seemed like the cat murdering sort.

yeah on the surface it looks that way ,but if you look at the big picture...

5starpool

You need a big wall to put a big picture on, or else it just looks all wrong.

Lafortezza

Thread officially off topic now.

Bops, if you want genuine advice then phrase your question better, and give more relevant details. If you just want attention then go somewhere else.