Best QB in NFL

spud06

Hi Guys,

I watched the game on sunday between Colts and Broncos and i have to say i think Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL at the moment however i also think Tom Brady is having a superb season and could be the man to stop the Colts going 16 and 0 this season. What does everybody else think.

jdivision

spud06 wrote:

Hi Guys,

I watched the game on sunday between Colts and Broncos and i have to say i think Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL at the moment however i also think Tom Brady is having a superb season and could be the man to stop the Colts going 16 and 0 this season. What does everybody else think.

The main criticism about Manning seems to be that he lacks mental strength. I began to wonder about this last year when the Colts seemed to change their normal game plan in the playoffs, opting for shorter passing routes in the Steelers match until the game was pretty much decided. Then they went long and nearly came back from the dead. However, he has bottled it on a couple of occasions I think - most notably against New England a couple of years ago - so if I was to pick a QB I'd pick Brady, even though Manning is probably more talented.

Chucky the tree

Brady definitly. Hes got the rings to prove it. Unless manning wins a superbowl he will go down as a choker.

When you want to rack up points against **** teams, manning is great, when you want to win a superbowl its brady.

spud06

Brady definitly. Hes got the rings to prove it. Unless manning wins a superbowl he will go down as a choker.

This could be the year Manning does win it. Although i still fancy The Bears

Manny7

spud06 wrote:

This could be the year Manning does win it.

Why? He does this every year - I read somewhere that the Colts have become the first team since 1931 to have two consecutive 7-0 starts to a season. Brady has three Superbowl rings and two Superbowl MVPs. Manning's never even been to a Superbowl. While Manning's out there bitching about his kicker or offensive line or anyone else he can blame instead of himself, Brady simply wins.

Of course I may be taken down a peg or two next Sunday, going to be some game.

Chucky the tree

Going by recent years manny you will be taken down a peg or two, but then manning gets taken down even further in the playoffs.

Still should bea great game, i take its on sky sports xtra and not interactive?

free2fly

Brady wins. That's a fact. He worked with his trainer during the off-season on his accuracy. His passing last night was great. And how many QBs would be able to adjust to losing their favorite receivers every year and still come back and win? How many receivers did he complete passes to last night? 7? The Pat's walked all over the Vikings in spite of all the talk about their defense. Take away the running game and let Brady pass? What kind of strategy is that?? Sunday is going to be a tough game, but the Pat's are at home and they are nearly impossible to beat in Foxboro.

jdivision

Doesn't appear to be on Sky Sports Xtra! :rolleyes:
Sun Nov 5 Dallas Cowboys @ Washington Redskins
Denver Broncos @ Pittsburgh Steelers SSX, 6pm
Sun Nov 5 Cincinnati Bengals @ Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings @ San Francisco 49ers SSX*, 6pm
http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,0-1025663,00.html

Danger_Dave

Brady at the mo , is prob the best, with manning coming up behind but we got the dark horse guys in M. Vick last 2 games hes started throwing the football and not just out of bounds , so he could be up for it this year

spud06

Danger_Dave wrote:

Brady at the mo , is prob the best, with manning coming up behind but we got the dark horse guys in M. Vick last 2 games hes started throwing the football and not just out of bounds , so he could be up for it this year

I think Michael Vick is over-rated to be honest.

tab126

Absolutely over-rated. He was better before he broke his leg. Ever since, he's not quite as fast (which was his HUGE asset). A TON of his completions were due to him being able to buy 10+ seconds for his team to get open... no CB or DB can cover that long. Now that teams have figured out how to contain him, he isn't SUCH a weapon. (But he's still pretty darn good)

tallaghtoutlaws

Brady or Manning eh?

As a Pats fan I like Brady and think he is up there at the top but don't forget the Pariots teamwork won all 3 Superbowls and a the best clutch kicker in the NFL certainly helped us. Don't get me wrong Brady is a great QB and a born leader. With Bill Billicheck and Brady the Patriots can do alot of things. I was at the game Monday night in Minnessota and the Vikings were shocking to say the least.

Peyton Manning on the other hand in my opinion is the best QB in the NFL. He has every right to complain about O-lines and blocking etc thats his job to he is a QB after all. He can call the right package through Audible better than any current QB in the NFL. He reads and knows Defences better than any other QB in the NFL. The Colts choking every year isn't down to Manning entirely. The year the Pats beat them in the Playoffs was down to a Patriots team that was unstoppable and the Steelers last year were the big surprise.

Any Manning 1 Brady in a close 2nd and I mean very close


PS The reason Sky are not showing the encounter Sunday as it is the Prime time game at 8.30pm EST in US and Sky don't show the primetime games only the early afternoon and late afternoon games.

Rented Mule

Peyton Manning is without question the best quarterback in the NFL. The fact that he has not won a Superbowl does not diminsh this fact.

Dan Marino could arguably be called the greatest quarterback ever and yet he has not won a Superbowl.

They system in place in New England was ideal for him to win those rings. He was a 3rd string quarterback at the University of Michigan who never got an opportunity to play and when Drew Bledsoe went down, Brady stepped up and answered the call.

If Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, none of us may have ever heard of Brady.

Again, I credit the systems in place on both sides of the ball in New England for Brady's success.

Not taking away from Tom Brady, but Manning was born and bred for the postion....literally.

Xavi6

spud06 wrote:

I think Michael Vick is over-rated to be honest.

Yeah have to agree there. He's good at scrambling out of tough situations because of his pace but I think he throws too many interceptions.

There are obviously the big two in Manning and Brady who are of undoubted quality. I think Rex Grossman of the Bears is having a good season after his injury problem. I'm not saying he's the best but tought he deserved a mention on current form.h

Rented Mule

Xavi6 wrote:

There are obviously the big two in Manning and Brady who are of undoubted quality. I think Rex Grossman of the Bears is having a good season after his injury problem. I'm not saying he's the best but tought he deserved a mention on current form.h

I'm a Bears fan, so I am very happy to see Grossman playing within himself and not making many mistakes (most weeks). The truth of the matter is that he has the weapons to use and is playing well within the Bears system at the moment.

I think he has a long way to go before I can mention him in the same sentence as Peyton Manning.

Xavi6

Rented Mule wrote:

I think he has a long way to go before I can mention him in the same sentence as Peyton Manning.

What about mentioning him in the sentence AFTER Manning.....?!?!

I know the Bears are playing with an awesome defence that is getting them touchdowns but Grossman has done well, especially considering the season the man he replaced, Kyle Orton, had as a rookie last year.

Manny7

Rented Mule wrote:

They system in place in New England was ideal for him to win those rings. He was a 3rd string quarterback at the University of Michigan who never got an opportunity to play .

Just to correct you, Brady played every game of his final 2 seasons at Michigan and won the Orange Bowl throwing 4 TDs.

I agree the he doesn't have the best arm strength, or the best mobility, but the QB position isn't just about throwing the ball. Manning is a very good QB and excellent at pre-snap reads but can get confused after the snap, which is why he often has trouble played the Pats. If you ignore the mental side of things I'd agree that Manning is the best, but Brady makes the right throws at the right times.

And there is some talk that Brady would never have started had Bledsoe not got injured (there's a rumour that Charlie Weiss admitted this), but that just proves that Brady isn't just a system QB. Bledsoe was a very good player back in his New England days (#1 pick, 2nd most completions in a season ever) but he didn't win the Superbowl. He gets injured, Brady then wins 3 in 4 years.

walshb

I don't think the fact Manning not having won a Bowl means he's not as great as Brady. Surely the team as a whole can influence who wins the bowl. Like Marino, he has the best records in the NFL, however if you wanted any man on your team in a pressure situation, it would be Montana and not Marino. So brilliance comes in different scenarios really. Manning is possibly more naturally talented, but Brady has the mettle in the big big games

PappaCSkillz22

Rented Mule wrote:

Peyton Manning is without question the best quarterback in the NFL. The fact that he has not won a Superbowl does not diminsh this fact.

I won't bother correcting you about Brady's Michigan antics, someone else already beat me to it, Brady was actually the first choice, a role he shared with Drew Henson for a while but when push came to shove it was Brady in the game.

If all you care about are some pretty throws, big stats and a relentless tidal wave of advertisements, well yeah, Peyton would be your man, sure. But to call someone the 'best' at something aren't you supposed to consider the intangibles, such as leadership, class, preperation and at the end of the day, clutch ability?

Time and time again Peyton has come up short, at college and in the NFL, whereas Brady has three rings and several victories over the often favoured Colts.

What you seem to be saying is 'Peyton is better because he has a stronger arm'. Well, if that's how you judge a QB's greatness, so be it.

I tell you what, I can't wait for endless Manning shots on Sunday night where he flaps his arms, looks up to the heavens and flips his chin strap off dejectedly, as he loses in New England yet again..

Gimme Brady any day of any week over that self absorbed, individualistic fantasy football freak Manning.

free2fly

PappaCSkillz22 wrote:

I won't bother correcting you about Brady's Michigan antics, someone else already beat me to it, Brady was actually the first choice, a role he shared with Drew Henson for a while but when push came to shove it was Brady in the game.

If all you care about are some pretty throws, big stats and a relentless tidal wave of advertisements, well yeah, Peyton would be your man, sure. But to call someone the 'best' at something aren't you supposed to consider the intangibles, such as leadership, class, preperation and at the end of the day, clutch ability?

Time and time again Peyton has come up short, at college and in the NFL, whereas Brady has three rings and several victories over the often favoured Colts.

What you seem to be saying is 'Peyton is better because he has a stronger arm'. Well, if that's how you judge a QB's greatness, so be it.

I tell you what, I can't wait for endless Manning shots on Sunday night where he flaps his arms, looks up to the heavens and flips his chin strap off dejectedly, as he loses in New England yet again..

Gimme Brady any day of any week over that self absorbed, individualistic fantasy football freak Manning.

Here here!! Well put!

spud06

PappaCSkillz22 wrote:

I won't bother correcting you about Brady's Michigan antics, someone else already beat me to it, Brady was actually the first choice, a role he shared with Drew Henson for a while but when push came to shove it was Brady in the game.

If all you care about are some pretty throws, big stats and a relentless tidal wave of advertisements, well yeah, Peyton would be your man, sure. But to call someone the 'best' at something aren't you supposed to consider the intangibles, such as leadership, class, preperation and at the end of the day, clutch ability?

Time and time again Peyton has come up short, at college and in the NFL, whereas Brady has three rings and several victories over the often favoured Colts.

What you seem to be saying is 'Peyton is better because he has a stronger arm'. Well, if that's how you judge a QB's greatness, so be it.

I tell you what, I can't wait for endless Manning shots on Sunday night where he flaps his arms, looks up to the heavens and flips his chin strap off dejectedly, as he loses in New England yet again..

Gimme Brady any day of any week over that self absorbed, individualistic fantasy football freak Manning.

As somebody already said just because Manning has not won a Superbowl does not make Brady a better QB,I dont support the Colts, unfortunately I support the Dolphins but if Nick Saban had a choice tomorrow of either Manning or Brady I would be praying he took Manning. And about youre theory of Manning shots going astray on Sunday I totally 100% disagree because I think on Sunday you will see a more confident Manning who will help The Colts come out on top.By the way dont get me wrong I think Tom Brady is a superb QB but at the moment I think Manning is better.

PappaCSkillz22

spud06 wrote:

As somebody already said just because Manning has not won a Superbowl does not make Brady a better QB,I dont support the Colts, unfortunately I support the Dolphins but if Nick Saban had a choice tomorrow of either Manning or Brady I would be praying he took Manning. And about youre theory of Manning shots going astray on Sunday I totally 100% disagree because I think on Sunday you will see a more confident Manning who will help The Colts come out on top.By the way dont get me wrong I think Tom Brady is a superb QB but at the moment I think Manning is better.

So, basically, you are completely ignoring the fact that Manning, in his last 8 starts against the Patriots, has a 1-7 record? That, when he plays New England, he puts up stats like Jan. 18, 2004 (AFC Championship): Patriots 24, Colts 14. Manning: 23-47, 1 TD, 4 INT.

You are completely missing the point I think, and the irony is that it is Manning who works well in a system, not Brady. Imagine what Brady would do with guys like Harrison and Wayne to throw to!! The mind boggles!

Brady is a proven winner, over and over and over, whereas, with all those offeensive tools at his disposal all Manning can do is put up some pretty regular season numbers and then politely bow out when the real games get started!

spud06

PappaCSkillz22 wrote:

So, basically, you are completely ignoring the fact that Manning, in his last 8 starts against the Patriots, has a 1-7 record? That, when he plays New England, he puts up stats like Jan. 18, 2004 (AFC Championship): Patriots 24, Colts 14. Manning: 23-47, 1 TD, 4 INT.

You are completely missing the point I think, and the irony is that it is Manning who works well in a system, not Brady. Imagine what Brady would do with guys like Harrison and Wayne to throw to!! The mind boggles!

Brady is a proven winner, over and over and over, whereas, with all those offeensive tools at his disposal all Manning can do is put up some pretty regular season numbers and then politely bow out when the real games get started!

Yes i do agree that you cannot forget the past however I think you are missing the point, what I said was that I think on current form Manning is better. And also I personnaly prefer Manning.

Chucky the tree

He got it done last night infairness to manning. Patriots pretty much handed the game to them on a plate though.

I'd still take the Pats in a play-off match.

spud06

PappaCSkillz22 wrote:

So, basically, you are completely ignoring the fact that Manning, in his last 8 starts against the Patriots, has a 1-7 record? That, when he plays New England, he puts up stats like Jan. 18, 2004 (AFC Championship): Patriots 24, Colts 14. Manning: 23-47, 1 TD, 4 INT.

You are completely missing the point I think, and the irony is that it is Manning who works well in a system, not Brady. Imagine what Brady would do with guys like Harrison and Wayne to throw to!! The mind boggles!

Brady is a proven winner, over and over and over, whereas, with all those offeensive tools at his disposal all Manning can do is put up some pretty regular season numbers and then politely bow out when the real games get started!

I hope last nights game you keep all you Manning bashers quiet

Chucky the tree

When he gets it done in the playoffs, then i wont bash him.


Until then, hes still an over-rated bottler.

PappaCSkillz22

Chucky the tree wrote:

He got it done last night infairness to manning. Patriots pretty much handed the game to them on a plate though.

I'd still take the Pats in a play-off match.

If Faulk catches that ball, the Patriots probably tie the game up. Look, the Pats played horribly, Brady included, and the Colts played great, and won. So, now Manning is 2-7 against Brady's Patriots.

That was a battle, not the entire war, and if you think Brady plays like that again next week, or in the playoffs in Indianapolis's dome (Brady is 10-0 in a Dome, 10-0) then you simply haven't been watching Football the last 5 years.

Frankly I am delighted, I hope some bookies over react and drop the Patriots under 10/1 again because they just have the right 'feel' this year again for me..and ill be all over any 10 or more /1 like a bad rash!

Senbotsu

Tom Brady is the best QB, he's calm cool and gets the job done, blitz him and he throws slants, give him time and he throws bombs, and all round great QB.

P.Manning on the other hand, isnt a great QB, he can't handle a 4-3 defence and panics when the blitz is on. Plus as we all know the Colts choke in the playoffs, so it's looking like Bears vs Pats at the SuperBowl.

J.R.HARTLEY

Big Ben is the best QB

seriously though i have a begrudging admiration for Tom Brady, the man is great, Manning is also great but as they said on Sky last week, rings over stats anyday

Chucky the tree

Big Ben i think can be as good as Brady. Baring his redzone plays, he managed to march the steelers down the field a good few times against Denver and had a career high day in passing.


Unfortunatly as soon as he got close to the end-zone he decided to pass the ball to champ bailey.

spud06

Chucky the tree wrote:

Big Ben i think can be as good as Brady. Baring his redzone plays, he managed to march the steelers down the field a good few times against Denver and had a career high day in passing.


Unfortunatly as soon as he got close to the end-zone he decided to pass the ball to champ bailey.

You cannot be serious. How can you mention Ben Roethlisberger in the same breath as Manning/Brady.

Senbotsu

I'm a Steelers fan, a long time one, but I wouldn't put Roethlisberger in this topic, last season I would of, but not this one. He's still not 100%, but he's getting there and with out Bettis its been harder for the Steelers as Parker can't get the tough yards in the redzone.

So I'm still sticking with Brady as the best QB, all you need is a great pass defence and the Colts are dead, they can't stop the run and there own running game isnt great either.

Chucky the tree

I never said Ben is as good as them, but in time i think he will be. He already has more superbowl rings then manning and hes only in his second year.

I think he has the potential too break alot of nfl records.

PappaCSkillz22

Chucky the tree wrote:

I never said Ben is as good as them, but in time i think he will be. He already has more superbowl rings then manning and hes only in his second year.

I think he has the potential too break alot of nfl records.

At first I though, 'crazy!' but then I thought about it more, and Big Ben does have allot of Brady like qualities, ie: he is a winner, with this year as an exception

Cut the guy some slack, he had a rough winter and the Steelers are underpreforming this year

But, he has a LONG way to go to even be in the same league as the Bradys and the Mannings, having said that he is on the right track..

evil_seed

If the game is on the line and I want someone to lead a 4th quarter comeback, big game or not it's Brady all the way.

Most impressive quarterback this season ..... Drew Brees:eek:

geoff_nfl

brady fan here but i still think brett favre is the best franchise QB around!!!!! he is my favourite QB and some say he past it but hey he still up there with the best this year considering the packers are a mess at the moment!!!!!! he ain't brady but has given the packers so much over the last decade and more that i feel he deserves a mention in the great QB thread!!!!!!!

Manning= Good
Brady=Great

tallaghtoutlaws

Favre = Legend pity the packers O-line is terrible.
Brady = Team player great QB pity about not having a great go to guy as a wideout.
Manning = Genius this guy could run an offence on his own on any team he knows the game better than alot of coaches and can read a defense better than any other QB.

Im a Pats fan and it hurts to compliment Manning

Pherekydes

Chucky the tree wrote:

I never said Ben is as good as them, but in time i think he will be. He already has more superbowl rings then manning and hes only in his second year.

I think he has the potential too break alot of nfl records.

Ben has missed too many games. By the time Favre, and after him Manning, are finished with the record books, they'll be out of sight for a generation of QBs. You'll need a QB as productive as Manning and as durable as Favre to attack the records.

By the way, why hasn't Favre been mentioned as a subject in this thread?

edit: OK, I see he was at the end!

Chucky the tree

Slow coach wrote:

Ben has missed too many games. By the time Favre, and after him Manning, are finished with the record books, they'll be out of sight for a generation of QBs. You'll need a QB as productive as Manning and as durable as Favre to attack the records!

Isnt this Ben 2nd year though? I am not sure how Farve did in his first two year as QB or manning even, but i presume it was pretty outstanding if Ben is already out of the running. I can certainly see him picking up a few more superbowl rings.


It still managed a career high game against the Broncos which is pretty impressive against their defence.

tallaghtoutlaws

Big Ben is in his 3rd year. He has struggled alot with injury but being honest is not in the same league of claibre as Favre/Brady/Manning. He has got a great future ahead of him but lacks that certain edge.

spud06

tallaghtoutlaws wrote:

Big Ben is in his 3rd year. He has struggled alot with injury but being honest is not in the same league of claibre as Favre/Brady/Manning. He has got a great future ahead of him but lacks that certain edge.

Hear hear,agree totally Big Ben is mosy definitely not in the same league as Brady/Manning.

Chucky the tree

No one is saying he is the same league, i just he will get close enough too it. He'll certainly have more superbowl rings then Manning and probaly Farve by the end of his career.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote:

He'll certainly have more superbowl rings then Manning and probaly Farve by the end of his career.

Favre most likely but not Payton Manning. The Steelers will be lucky to see another Superbowl in the next 10 years. So unless Big Ben moves I don't see him picking up another ring. As for Manning it is debatable if they get past the playoffs without choking he will pick up his first Ring this year. Im sure the Colts will strengthen their defence by the start of next aswell as their D is the only thing standing between them and winning a superbowl. If it wasnt for Brady throwing into double and treble coverage and handing the Colts the ball at the weekend it would have been a Pats win.

This season is going to have a very interesting end me thinks.

Pherekydes

For comparison (first 3 seasons):

Games	Starts	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Ave	TD	Int	
Roethlisberger		33	32	797	514	64.5	6785	8.51	41	34	
											
Favre			33	29	997	620	62.19%	6530	6.55	37	39
											
Manning			48	48	1679	1014	60.39%	12287	7.32	85	58
											
McNabb			44	38	1278	721	56.42%	7546	5.90	54	32

Note that Favre only had 4 pass attempts in his first year, but he hasn't been below 3000yds per season since. Big Ben has yet to go over 3000 yds.

tallaghtoutlaws

The bad thing about your statiscal table the other 3 QB's on the list all got proper game time in their first season Favre didn't so it would have been better to take his season 4 in to account. Surprised you didn't add Tom Brady to that list.

Games Starts Att Comp Pct Yds Ave TD int
Brady 32 30 1017 638 53.1 6613 5.04 46 26

All the above considering he also only got 1 game in his first season.

Lothaar

Manning is the best QB in the NFL, without a doubt. You may point at the weapons he has to throw to, but look at the defense Tom Brady had on his side. The saying ‘Offense wins games, defense wins championships’ is spot-on and relates directly to the Manning-Brady debate. The reason the Pats have more success than the Colts in the playoffs is their superior defense not their superior QB (although Brady is indeed a quality QB).
How can anyone call Manning a choker? That is ridiculous. Take last year’s AFC Championship game against Pittsburgh, for example – it was NOT Manning’s fault that the Colts lost. If anyone, Vanderjagt choked in that game. The Steelers also won through gameplan, beating the Colts’ protection schemes to pressure Manning. He has some responsibility for that, but only some. Aaannnnnd, the fact is Manning was responsible for putting the Colts in a position to win the game. I know they got lucky with the Polumalou (sp?) call, but still… he engineered a comeback drive and capped it off with a sublime pass to Wayne for the 2xpt, after they were moved back 10 yards for a penalty. One play to keep their season alive and he converted with style. How is that choking?
Look at the amount of games in which he has led the Colts down the field to win within the last two minutes… even this season he’s done it a few times.
Remember he sent off the punt team on a 4th Down late in the game – on numerous occasions – and converted, before proceeding to march down the field for a TD and go on to win the game? He did that in the playoffs last year too (can’t remember which game). That is NOT choking. When it’s all to play for, that’s when the chokers are found out. When did Manning bottle it in the clutch? Brady led the Pats down the field to allow Vinatieri to kick a FG to win two Superbowls. Manning did just that against the Steelers but his kicker messed up.

Remember the game they lost against the Pats two years ago… I don’t see how it was Manning’s fault that the receivers dropped a load of passes. Also, he tried waving the punt team off on a crucial 4th down late in the game, which could have sparked some momentum, but was overruled by Dungy. That was when the game slipped away. The Pats focused their efforts on confusing Manning and trying to take away the passing game. This SHOULD have opened up the running game but the Colts couldn’t get anything going that day. The only way Manning can influence the running game is by getting the defense to worry about the pass – the Pats were doing this by gameplan but the Colts still couldn’t run the ball. Again – not his fault. I’m not saying Manning played well in this game, but I don’t think you can call him a choker because his team was whupped and everyone around him sucked. Also, bear in mind that he was playing against an unbelievable Patriots defense, who were under an obscenely talented coaching staff. Brady didn’t have to take on this defense.

Brady is a legend, and will be in the Hall of Fame, but Manning’s the best QB in my book. It’s a matter of opinion, of course. Nevertheless, calling Manning a choker is just plain wrong.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote:

Favre most likely but not Payton Manning. The Steelers will be lucky to see another Superbowl in the next 10 years. So unless Big Ben moves I don't see him picking up another ring. .

Where do you get that idea? They havent been great this season, but when your starting QB is out for the first few game and is still not 100% they will always struggle.


If the Colts had the same thing happen to manning they would be seriously ****'d aswell. So would Patriots. I think the steelers will be back again next year and in the playoffs.

tallaghtoutlaws

Lothar I do agree with you my opinion is that Manning is currently the best and will be the best when I used the word choker I should have said the colts as Manning can do nothing wrong as you pointed out.

Chuck if you honestly believe that the Steelers will have what it takes to get to a few more Bowls that is your opinion. I didn't say Big Ben wont get there on his own I said the Steelers wont and I stand by it. If it wasn't for Ben's revival of them this year they would be terrible but in the Manning example the QB can't do it on his own. There will be teams with a better full package that will stop the Steelers from doing it. Look at the AFC Colts,Broncos Patriots to name a few that will most likely make it very hard for the Steelers to get another one.

spud06

tallaghtoutlaws wrote:

Lothar I do agree with you my opinion is that Manning is currently the best and will be the best when I used the word choker I should have said the colts as Manning can do nothing wrong as you pointed out.

At last we have 2 men who agree with me Manning is without doubt the best QB in the league at the moment. As for rings making Brady a better QB I totally disagree, 1 man does not and cannot win the superbowl on their own,and also if you look at other sports for arguments sake soccer the best players dont always win things, look at George Best he didnt win much in his career yet he was still regarded as one of the greatest players ever. And just look at the stats so far this season.Manning leads Brady in every department that is yards 2291 for Manning as to 1799 for Brady,Completed passes 183/281 for Manning as to 155/267 for Brady,Touchdowns 17 for Manning as to 14 for Brady,Interceptions 3 for Manning as to 8 for Brady and finally sacks 10 for Manning and 12 for Brady.I rest my case.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote:

Chuck if you honestly believe that the Steelers will have what it takes to get to a few more Bowls that is your opinion. I didn't say Big Ben wont get there on his own I said the Steelers wont and I stand by it. If it wasn't for Ben's revival of them this year they would be terrible but in the Manning example the QB can't do it on his own. There will be teams with a better full package that will stop the Steelers from doing it. Look at the AFC Colts,Broncos Patriots to name a few that will most likely make it very hard for the Steelers to get another one.

I just find it strange how you can rule out a team for 10 whole years, thats impossible.

spud - look at the WR's Manning has on his team compared to Brady.

spud06

spud - look at the WR's Manning has on his team compared to Brady.[/QUOTE]

It does not matter Chucky they still have to have a QB who can get the football to them and on current form Manning is the best man for the job.Also The Steelers have no chance of getting to the playoffs after last weeks defeat.