Cylon Creation Question

Beach Head

Goodshape wrote:

A robotic mining machine -- that's a cylon.
A robotic transport ship -- that's a cylon.
A robotic construction yoke -- that's a cylon.
A robotic menial labour, eh, robot -- that's a cylon.
A robotic bloody cook -- that's a cylon.

I dont think anyone is listening to you.

I agree, all anyone has to do to try and understand it is look at T3. How the computer defense system rebelled on the planet Earth.

The original Cylon war raged for many years and the main Cylon warrior was the old Centurion or "Toaster"

If the Cylons (That is a central computer networked intelligence that controlled all things automated on the Colonies) rebelled they could have easily taken control of the Humans Battleships of the day. Maybe they were the Base Stars? All the ship had to do was vent all humans and attack a planet. That is one ship,one planet, et voila, rebellion!

Then all construction is suddenly focused on making new materials for more Cylon gadgets. Unmanned factories supplying raider parts for unmanned shuttles to deliver to a staging point etc

Meanwhile the humans are frantically clawing back parts of their technology that the Cylon intelligence cannot control. And they manufacture the Battlestars. I think it is mentioned in the mini series that the "original Battlestars had no networked computers"

The Battlestars were invented IMO by the humans for combat in the first war. The Cylons looked like everything unmanned and electronic etc. They wern't just walking 'bots.

toxick

The Cylons made the basestar after they rebelied. we know this, cause isnt the basestar actualy controlled by a human cylone(remember it was in one of the new ep in the 3rd seires with baltar on the baseship). but i could be talking crazy talk.

But also there raiders, arent they actualy controlled by some other living thing, due to Starbuck needed to kill its and hollow it out to take control when she was trapped on the planet(2nd seires i think)

but then i can be completly wrong, due to not going over the series lately(which i have to do soon actualy)

5uspect

I don't totally buy the cylons were not humanoid bots arguement. Its a very good point but I don't think it fits in here, perhaps both existed. Why then would the toasters take take humaniod form? The skin jobs fair enough, but that kinda (i think) stresses the idea that humans made cylons as humanoid bots (in the image of themselves etc etc) and then the cylons escaped and did the job properly and found god in the process. I'm sure we'll find out!

Beach Head

5uspect wrote:

I don't totally buy the cylons were not humanoid bots arguement. Its a very good point but I don't think it fits in here, perhaps both existed. Why then would the toasters take take humaniod form? The skin jobs fair enough, but that kinda (i think) stresses the idea that humans made cylons as humanoid bots (in the image of themselves etc etc) and then the cylons escaped and did the job properly and found god in the process. I'm sure we'll find out!

I believe that the Cylon intelligence created the toasters in order to build things. They needed robots to carry stuff around and to use as infantry cannon fodder.

toxick wrote:

The Cylons made the basestar after they rebelied. we know this, cause isnt the basestar actualy controlled by a human cylone(remember it was in one of the new ep in the 3rd seires with baltar on the baseship). but i could be talking crazy talk.

But also there raiders, arent they actualy controlled by some other living thing, due to Starbuck needed to kill its and hollow it out to take control when she was trapped on the planet(2nd seires i think)

but then i can be completly wrong, due to not going over the series lately(which i have to do soon actualy)

I actually have not seen any of the third series yet, however your point agrees with mine. The humans in my opinion on the Base Stars or the predecessor to the Base Star that the Cylons took over were controlled by humans. The Cylons have just replaced them.

cyrusdvirus

toxick wrote:

The Cylons made the basestar after they rebelied. we know this, cause isnt the basestar actualy controlled by a human cylone(remember it was in one of the new ep in the 3rd seires with baltar on the baseship). but i could be talking crazy talk
But also there raiders, arent they actualy controlled by some other living thing, due to Starbuck needed to kill its and hollow it out to take control when she was trapped on the planet(2nd seires i think)

but then i can be completly wrong, due to not going over the series lately(which i have to do soon actualy)

Some of us haven't seen the 3rd series yet toxick...... thanks for the spoiler tags

incontinentia

you guys know that in the original series the cylons were created by a different race and had wiped out their creators. then they went on to kill other types of intelligent life.


don't know if this is relavent to th discussion.....

5uspect

I think they've ignored that in the new series, infact there hasn't been a single other race in the whole show which is refreshing IMO.

I must see about looking at the original series again!

Berns

ok, didnt read everything but here's my thoughts.

- War's you get prisoners, Cylons prob captured some humans and experimented on how to integrate with them or sumfin, ie like the borg in star trek. Then possibly had enough experimentation from this to form the skinjobs.

- Planes today even have autopilot. Wouldnt have taken much for the raiders to have been made like that.

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The base stars more or less are controlled how we'd assume a ship would be controlled. Maybe not with as many as we think but that one cylon that is constantly in the chamber speakin jibberish mainly. So maybe they haven't refined intellegence to handle that scale

Also, just a thought, have the cylons actually developed any new weapons after their departure, or they just mass producin and makin systems that were already created by humans more efficient???

robnubis

Think about it this way, how do rebellions get weapons?

The cylons would've started with nothing, having procured weapons/ships they would keep getting more, and being machines would've been able to begin building ships having assimliated the needed information and capturing the resources necessary.

In a drawn out war, they would've had ample time to design and build their own ships, Base Stars.

5uspect

Indeed there must have been an escalation on both sides as the battlestars were build to combat the cylons as current human technology apparently was easily disabled by cylon virus infection. So I suppose there was a rapid arms race on both sides.

User45701

If the Cylons (That is a central computer networked intelligence that controlled all things automated on the Colonies) rebelled they could have easily taken control of the Humans Battleships of the day. Maybe they were the Base Stars? All the ship had to do was vent all humans and attack a planet. That is one ship,one planet, et voila, rebellion!

Im sorry but i dont see how...
even if the cylons got controll of a networked ship all they can do is vent the ship or turn its weapons on its allies or maybe jump the ship inside a sun or whatever.
I dont think that a ship that has been hacked into by cylons would be able to take a planet

The rest of what you said made perfect sense tho.

toxick wrote:

The Cylons made the basestar after they rebelied. we know this, cause isnt the basestar actualy controlled by a human cylone(remember it was in one of the new ep in the 3rd seires with baltar on the baseship). but i could be talking crazy talk.

Not a clone more of a hybrid between skin job and centurion it/she is liked to the ship

toxick wrote:

But also there raiders, arent they actualy controlled by some other living thing, due to Starbuck needed to kill its and hollow it out to take control when she was trapped on the planet(2nd seires i think)

but then i can be completly wrong, due to not going over the series lately(which i have to do soon actualy)

I thought the raiders themselves where like animals or something with little except rage and primitive hunting instincts

Berns wrote:

- War's you get prisoners, Cylons prob captured some humans and experimented on how to integrate with them or sumfin, ie like the borg in star trek. Then possibly had enough experimentation from this to form the skinjobs.

eh i get the feeling that there were not always skin jobs then there was defiantly a "model 1" the first cylon skin-job that could have even been around for the 1st war

Berns wrote:

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The base stars more or less are controlled how we'd assume a ship would be controlled. Maybe not with as many as we think but that one cylon that is constantly in the chamber speakin jibberish mainly. So maybe they haven't refined intellegence to handle that scale

If you think about it, it would be life like you cant imagine we don't know what a hybid feels or even what it can see. Life without gravity with loads of small intelligent life forms crawling inside of you as well as that you have an almost infinite amount of knowledge inside you - i can see how that would cause madness and would explain the jibberish - we don't even know it is jibberish because one model (cant remember name/number) believes they are the words of god

Berns wrote:

Also, just a thought, have the cylons actually developed any new weapons after their departure, or they just mass producin and makin systems that were already created by humans more efficient???

nothing new but more advanced tho
cylon jump tech is more advanced but there dradas seems to be similar to galactica's

5uspect wrote:

Indeed there must have been an escalation on both sides as the battlestars were build to combat the cylons as current human technology apparently was easily disabled by cylon virus infection. So I suppose there was a rapid arms race on both sides.

Actually i wonder how much more or less advanced earth will be because they where never held back in tech development