Krav Maga Free Lessons

Millionaire

Hi

Here is a link someone send me of some guy with Free Online Krav Maga lessons.

He is a TKD Black Belt 4th Degree, and I d say he done a KM instructors course.

He demos some of the basic....

It is very basic...and in a demo style you would teach your granny if she asked for an SD Lesson. I do not mean that is a bad way...what I am say is do not expect a Wes Simms style mill up!

http://sports.expertvillage.com/interviews...-techniques.htm

Now if you roughed this up between 500% and upwards with some protective gear.... might be a bit different!

Apologies to the board there is no guys in SWAT suits, Special Forces, Fast Roping out of Chpooers, or Bad 1980s Chuck Norris Style Delta Force moves. LOL!!!

Though train this the Right fashion and it can be very good for the average joe..who does not want to be a combat athlete!

One thing I notice....his round house kick...which in KM is supposed to me Thai style is crap...he does not even turn
on this foot, (and hips) to lash the kick in. Turn your Goddamn hips....have to tell myself that too!

Just leave the SWAT team gear out of it!

Millionaire

well any comments? ;-)

john kavanagh

well the link doesn't work for one!

but even though i cant see it i'm gonna take a wild guess its a bunch of techniques similar to most RBSD techniques worked against completely compliant training partners? maybe i am a psychic....:)

how would you describe training in the 'right fashion'?

monkey tennis

Your link's bollixed. Let's see if this comes out properly:

http://sports.expertvillage.com/interviews/krav-maga-techniques.htm

Edit: I reckon it must have screwed up when you edited your post...

john kavanagh

ok just watched 1 or 2 clips, and yes was exactly what i expected

yomchi

I didn't look too Reality based IMO, just striking dead pads and release's from static compliant partners.
Again in IMO its a complete waste of time teaching fine motor skills as self defence, as soon as that adrenal dump kicks in you can barely remember your name let alone...raise your hands, place them here, twist there, step back here release there...etc. It does look very like TKD self defence training.

Millionaire

Thanks for fixing up link!

yeah...this is ok for demo a basic move to total begineers, so they get the principle and idea. as i will be learning ground soon, which I know very little about.....its a mix of BJJ,judo and wrestling styles from an MMA coach here. i would hope he would show me the basics in a similar fashion, then let me get it down, on a NON RESISTING partner,safe too, until I know the move and then slowly build up the resistance and speed....might take weeks or months for me to say " arm bar" someone under live rolling. thats how i think I would need to learn ground.

Just johns qustions.... real training.... assuming one has the proper techniques learned and a reasonable level 6months to 1 year or more depending on the person.....the biggest part of real training , the most important part (I speak as a striker), as a good hard spar 70 - 100%contact at times depending. and if your getting or giving the odd black eye or bloody nose...your on the right track.IMO. do some bare knuckle full contact too down at www.mma-ireland.com and you will really see and feel!

as for the KM style real training.....as was done to me in israel.....do what they did to me....get a massive 6 4 muscled Polish Army commando to some at you full force, and see can you get out of the technqiues....he can wear some potection.....so you can whack him in the head. no training is ideal for the real but this was 8/10.

or get mugged by 6 guys when alone and fight them off! ;-) that was real enough for me! they got 200 euro out of wallet, a way better training experince that a 200 SD course. plus some got the real techniqus "demoed" on them with the strikes going where they should be going! LOL!

Muay Thai style for strikes to me is "real training" bag,pad work at different levels,, clicnh wrestling, sparring with contact, and conditioning, running,, push ups, sit ups, hindu squats...

if you want to focus on the street, add in one night Combatives on top of the with the pre post fight training, some eye balls throat...and weapons run like fook if he got a knife training, and weapons defence that might work, incase you cannot run.

when you have the knife basics down, admit mine is rusty, you do full contact knife drills with hard plastic knife, so if he "stabs" you, you will know about it! of course protectivve gear when needed. you are probably fooked if he got a blade, but if cornered its better to have some chance.

there is nighly muggings, beating of tourists, by thai gangs here, in well popllated ares, assume some got a blade. even last night I was walking with some friends beside the beach road in pattaya, and i spotted 4 young punks sort of "checking us out from a few metres away" my friend who is irish is paralysized on one side from a car accident(and just about can walk),and the other was the GF with me. It was too late to turn away, so I gave them my best intense evil pure menance eye , and they copped it,probably figued guy is nuts or violent lets not bother and get an easy target later. so all passed ok...but I am sure later they mugged some poor drunk tourist. I could smell their motive a mile away when I happened upon them. That is one SD "fight with out fighting " technique, and this case it worked....thank God.

funny....on the same "physc out" idea out 5 mins later 3 massive German guys like 6' 5' and built like brick **** house monster , and Hells Angels MC colors on them were walking down the foot path like they owned the place , and I was like "oh ccccrraaaaapppppppppp"! LOL!!!!

So real for me john as for stret would be Thai No 1, No 2 Combatives, Lee Morrisson, the better KM elements added in, dirty tricks when neded, and some basic ground just in case, but with aim of getting back to feet.sparring hard,learn to take bang and give on back twice ashard

Thats it!

AnimalDay training full out is done at www.kravmaga.ie mixed with alot of this for the street.


Yeah,back to the KM vids,,, which I got from someone hijacking a thread on me, usual American Mass Market Mc Dojo crap, that is adding in watered down KM,to sell more club memberships to scared house wives! Show me the money!

judomick

Gerry have you done the MMA training with Kravmaga.ie? if so what did they cover?
thanks

Millionaire

No I have n't, Aidan tells me what is covered, we are in contact over training methods etc, so he'd be the best man to ask! but he does not get involved in forums, so email him.

What I do know, is they do Geoff Thompson Style "Animal Days' I am am very regretful I am not able to attend....maybe next year if I come home on hols.

Well Krav Maga can do done "good" as I metioned a few times(as in what Aidan does) or "bad" as someone else has done in ireland destroying the image of KM in ireland, which did the system alot of damage, similar to the stuff in the guy in the video. plus km.ie are adding in Lee Morrison and all that other good stuff, and there is a stong kickboxing background there too.

what is"good" Km..well I will repeat....KM has strikes punch, kick, knee, elbow, IMO best way to traing this is Muay Thai style, pad work, bagsand get in an spar with contact. I know www.kravmaga.ie has good hard sparring, as a friend of me who was in the "bad" km with me, is now over there beating all around her in all out contact sparring.

"Bad" KM is like in the vids, and hitting a static guy with a pad, though this trainig has its place especially for those in first few months.

I do not know if they do MMA training (I tend to think of sport when I near MMA), but I do know a punch is a punch, and if it is trained right, who cares where it comes from. what I do know is they are training some of the best RBSD in Ireland, and sparring with contact, combatives, and all the mental end of it etc.

Perhaps, someone who trains at www.kravmaga.ie on the animal days will give an account.

For details on Animal Days and to see how it works, please see Geoff Thompsons DVDs on it.

or better yet...

Why do you not contact them and go to the Animal Day yourself Mick and find out...I know its open to any style...that would be the best way to answer your questions?

if I was home I d be going, might get a few hard bangs...but sure if your not happy with than, take up Irish Dancing! LOL!

john kavanagh

it was just when you wrote

Millionaire wrote:

Though train this the Right fashion and it can be very good for the average joe

i wondered what you would describe as the 'right fashion', as your opinion on training methods has changed somewhat over the last year or so. i do agree with how you summed it up below

Millionaire wrote:

So real for me john as for stret would be Thai No 1

so training like a thai fighter (sport combat athlete) is the no.1 way to train for the street - the rest is backup. of course not everyone will train to compete and as you get older the intensity in the training will have to go down but still doesn't stop it being the no.1 training method.

Millionaire wrote:

Though train this the Right fashion and it can be very good for the average joe..who does not want to be a combat athlete!

so even if the 'average joe' does not want to be a competitive combat athlete he can still train like a combat athlete (intensity of training matching his physical ability ie train smart)

Millionaire

Thats it! in total agreement..though remember I had the FC kickboxing which was very hands orientated for many years before the training went off track with a bit and was still at it during the "bad "KM days....except for the last years or so....when I realised I lost my ability to spar, and a trip to brodgstone gave me a reality check, and so on to thai I went, and as mentioned ground as a new beginning with next week or so.

though you might be in slight disagreement...butif if did come down to it, I would have a good bit of "dirt" on top of the thai!

I train like a combat athlete, and give all I can most days.....but I am not a Decker or an Arni, LOL!

To get a feel about good training vs what works in street read "watch my back" by Geoff thompson....the Dublin Liabary has it if you do not want to buy it....its a bible when it come to this stuff.


right got to rush to 8am thai...not in the mood at all today...but sure when U get there that will change!

Millionaire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJDejeXJeI

now this is a bit better KM...last part of vid, is full contact boxing no head gear..... thats getting a bit more real!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dba9oqWIHgY&mode=related&search=

and some more sparring all be it a bit scrappy...just like it will be on the street! LOL!

john kavanagh

in your first clip (after the cheorographed stuff) it just looks like guys boxing, who are not very good at boxing. i'm surprised they didn't include clinch work seeing as they train for THE STREET

the 2nd clip looks like MMA-style sparring between beginners you'd see at any MMA gym

also those 'krav maga' strikes in your signature video look a lot like 'thai' strikes kinda like how the 'krav maga' sparring up above looks like 'kickboxing' or 'mma sparring' (just with a much cooler name)

Millionaire

a good percentage of krav maga strikes....are thai strikes....punches, knees, elbows, etc..... but alot KM people lost the point somewhere!!!! plus they will not admit they stole it from thai or their latest ground stuff from BJJ. Thats the Israeli s for you...there is alot they won't admit to!

Remember you said....a strike is a strike....its how it is trained is what matters! Case Dismissed!!!!! damn I knew I should have studied for the bar!

Maybe the guys boxing, that night....were just boxing! like when I thought MMA was just about BJJ! ;-)

anyway...I am just having a bit of fun with the KM here. KM was ballsed up from the start in ireland, with all that become a Navy Seal in a saturday afternoon BS.

I know there is good KM out there, I have seen serious skills, and people who train ever spar minute they have, all ranges, and all weapons. I never can find a bit of decent footage of it. The Polish I trained with were all, let me make up a word, MMA KM (but not training for sport).....most were wrestlers or boxers anyway... alot of them Polish and E Euro guys have had wrestling training to a good level. which annoyed me, as I had none!

My sig vid will be good for people who think they are Bruce Lee after a weekend course and then come on to post here...and see that and think WTF !!!!!

john kavanagh

Millionaire wrote:

The Polish I trained with were all, let me make up a word, MMA KM (but not training for sport).....most were wrestlers or boxers anyway...

circumstances dictate tactics, but delivery systems remain constant.

this is what i've been saying since day 1 here

when you get a couple of months proper MMA style clinch, ground and putting it all together then all will be revealed just like thai style 'stand-up' changed your opinions on 'realistic' training methods.

Millionaire

yes looking forward to integrating the whole clinch to ground game, learning the basics etc...

But re thai style training...yes it the best for strikes.... but remember I was fighting full contact kickboxing and training very similar to thai (without the knees and elbows of course) years ago, when training was very rough, when you kenpo heads where marching up and down the floor doing "Daggers of Death" or whatever its called! ;-)

I reckon it will take quite a while to get the MMA clinch to ground down... however I will train away at it....."steady drop fills the bucket"

First lesson next week, will post after I do a few lessons, so say what is being taught and how etc.

john kavanagh

Millionaire wrote:

but remember I was fighting full contact kickboxing and training very similar to thai (without the knees and elbows of course) years ago, when training was very rough, when you kenpo heads where marching up and down the floor doing "Daggers of Death" or whatever its called!

and yet you bought into the whole KM weekend course nonsense in the beginning

Millionaire

john kavanagh wrote:

and yet you bought into the whole KM weekend course nonsense in the beginning

eh? what do you mean?

yes, I brought it up. I did not say KM as a system was nonsense.

There was still alot of fairly real training around before years and years beofore MMA became popular, thats all I was saying.

as I said in another post....I took me 20 years to realise I had started to learn one of the most effective and simple SD things back in the 80s....a good hard right cross, followed by a harder left hook. which was trained real and proper, and with alot of contact. so Thai just has remined me of something I long over looked but have years of experience doing.