Cylon Animals... ?

User45701

ok we know there are 12 human form cylons
i was just re-watching season 1 there im half way thought episode 6 Litmus.

Everyone is panicked about the idia of human form cylons infultrating there ranks but i wonder would the cylons create a animal form cylon mabe along the same basic programming code that the toasters have but not as complicated as human form just a simple cylon dog or other animal for infultration and such?

i know its a cray IDER but ive heard crazyier that have been right.

EDIT: WOW Look at Tight in middle of season 1 then look at him in season 3They did it very well

Khannie

Interesting idea alright. Spy equipment in the form of an animal. Hmmmmm.

youcancallmeal

User45701 wrote:

ok we know there are 12 human form cylons
i was just re-watching season 1 there im half way thought episode 6 Litmus.

Everyone is panicked about the idia of human form cylons infultrating there ranks but i wonder would the cylons create a animal form cylon mabe along the same basic programming code that the toasters have but not as complicated as human form just a simple cylon dog or other animal for infultration and such?

i know its a cray IDER but ive heard crazyier that have been right.

EDIT: WOW Look at Tight in middle of season 1 then look at him in season 3They did it very well

I was actually thinking this myself. I vaguely remember seeing the camera pan to a dog(For no apparent reason) in one of the episodes of season 3 so far but cant remember which one, interesting.

On a side note I seriously recommend you install Firefox 2.0, it comes with a spell checker built in :eek:

User45701

i didnt know 2.0 was out yet ill install it when im finished re-installing Hl-2 this will be my 3rd attempt to complete it
it has great grafix but the gamesply isent that much... fun i get boared of it but i can still play very old games for there good gameplay over grafix

Also they pan to the dog for 2 reasons

1.Flipping the dog dish was a signal for the resistence and Geata to signal oneanother that infirmation had been placed
2.Deanna seemed to like the dog and she sat down and petted it and talked to it but its more likley the reason why the camera panned to the dog was cause the dog dish was upside down

duridian

The Cylon raiders may be one type of Cylon animal.
Before her outing as a human form, Galactica Boomer (the one who shot Adama) hinted at this to Chief Tyrol in season 1, while he was studying Starbuck's raider "Scar". Remember back in season 1, Starbuck brought a downed raider back to BSG, after figuring out the controls when she and it were stranded on a planet following a dogfight. (A raider which was subsequently taken back by the Cylons early season 2, when Starbuck went back to Cylon-Occupied Caprica to look for the arrow of Apollo. This raider later went on to become known as "Scar", due to the damage on its visor from the earlier battle with Starbuck, until it was finally destroyed by Kat

(Galactica's new CAG apparently during the occupation of New Caprica)

late in season 2.)

Edit: oops spoilered out the bit at the end about Kat

Goodshape

I don't think that 'Scar' is supposed to be the same ship that Starbuck flew. It's hinted that it might be a ressurection of it though.

Having other Cylon animals is an interesting idea, although I sort of hope they don't do that. Seems a bit silly really.

duridian

Goodshape wrote:

I don't think that 'Scar' is supposed to be the same ship that Starbuck flew. It's hinted that it might be a ressurection of it though.

But if that is the case then why does it have damage on its visor at the exact same place as Starbuck's raider, wouldn't a resurrection be uninjured since it was a new body with only the consciousness transferred. (Compare the raider in Galactica's hangar, as Tyrol and Boomer examine it in S1 with the zoomed still image of Scar, shown to the Air Group by Kat in the "Scar" episode of S2.)
It is never shown that Starbuck's raider was actually dead, I think it more likely that it was only injured, probably sufficiently that it couldn't fly by itself. (Maybe somewhat like a spinal injury in a human paraplegic, brain's still functional but motor functions like walking are disabled) When Starbuck went inside there was still oxygen stored, into which she tapped for the flight back to BSG and later for the trip to Cylon-occupied Caprica, this oxygen could also have helped keep the brain of the raider going. After Starbuck met up with Helo on Caprica, we see 'her' raider take off and leave without Starbuck. What I gathered from that episode is that the Cylons had found this raider while Stabuck was out looking for the arrow/fighting Six etc., and repaired the damaged raider's ability to fly by itself again.
I know it is not explicitly shown that the raider is alive either but based on the scenes I mentioned above I think it would be a major coincidence if "Scar" wasn't Kara's raider, physically as well as mentally.
Anyway this just what I think, up to yourself whether you agree or not.

Barry Aldwell

duridian wrote:

It is never shown that Starbuck's raider was actually dead, I think it more likely that it was only injured, probably sufficiently that it couldn't fly by itself. (Maybe somewhat like a spinal injury in a human paraplegic, brain's still functional but motor functions like walking are disabled)

You see her pull out the brain and drop it out the bottom hatch of the Raider, during that scene in "You Can't Go Home Again"

duridian wrote:

After Starbuck met up with Helo on Caprica, we see 'her' raider take off and leave without Starbuck. What I gathered from that episode is that the Cylons had found this raider while Stabuck was out looking for the arrow/fighting Six etc., and repaired the damaged raider's ability to fly by itself again.

To quote Starbuck, "Bitch took my ride". Sharon is the one who stole the Raider.

duridian

Barry Aldwell wrote:

You see her pull out the brain and drop it out the bottom hatch of the Raider, during that scene in "You Can't Go Home Again"

I must have forgotten that bit, I can remember her rooting around with the brain but I can't recall seeing her putting it out the hatch, I thought she just pulled it away from the "steering wheel bits" and just putting it to one side, and that there were tubey things on the underside which were still connected, which is why I thought it still had oxygen/nutrients to keep it alive. I'll dig out season 1 later and have a look again.
[Edit] I have the R1 of Season 1 so maybe it is in the R2 but not in R1 version.

To quote Starbuck, "Bitch took my ride". Sharon is the one who stole the Raider.

When I saw that first I too thought it was Sharon but when I had seen events of later episodes, i began to wonder if it really was she who took it.
When Kara and Helo ran outside they assumed that Sharon had stolen the raider, and we assume along with them, but I thought it seemed inconsistent with Sharon's reappearance later for a few reasons.
1) The raider winds up back with the Cylons so whoever returned it would have been loyal to them. I think at that point Sharon was not loyal to the Cylons because of her love for Helo and their hybrid unborn child. If Sharon was the one who took it then why would she have returned again to Caprica, did she want to be shot again or something, because surely if she had taken Kara's raider she would realise the mistrust such an action would cause.
2) When Sharon reappears later on, Kara is at the "farm" and Sharon offers to help Helo and Anders by telling them of Kara's location. If she took the raider isn't this "with you today, against you tomorrow" carry-on a bit schizo.
3) When Sharon reappears to Helo and Anders she is still in the same old blood stained Colonial warrior outfit and is still dirty/dishevelled looking. One would think that if she had flown the raider back to the Cylons that she would have scrubbed up a bit or at least treated the bulletwound in her shoulder before going back to Caprica.
4) The child Sharon was carrying seemed (and still does even in s3) of some very high value to the Cylons, and the Cylons seem to be well aware of its existence at the time of Kara's raider being "stolen", because Six has been talking about the child and its importance to Baltar. If Sharon did return the raider to the Cylons, would they have let her and this ultra important unborn child return to Caprica where she may again get shot or maybe even killed?

I'm not saying that I'm right and you are wrong, I'm just saying why I interpreted the things in the story the way that I did.

Also there's one other thing that makes me wonder. If Kara's raider did indeed die back on planet X when she moved the brain, wouldn't its consciousness have been downloaded at that moment into a different raider body on the resurrection ship. The time that Kara brought the original raider to Caprica would have been a good while after this death, so how would the original consciousness wind up back in its original body as implied by the hint that Scar was a resurrection of Kara's raider? Scar's body definitely must be the body of Starbuck's raider judging by the markings on the visor.

User45701

Ok well emm i cant remember how to attach files i have a pic of both of them here they look completly different

Raider on BSG = Bullet whole on right of its "head"

Skar = Large crack or "scar" going across is red cylon scanner

BUT it is without a doubt the same being but it is in a differnt body/ship
i know its the same for 2 reasons

1. How they talk about skar also what sharran says that he is filled with rage and hate about being killed over and over again.

2. The main reason in the episode skar when it says last time on BSG it flashes back to the cylon ship that Kara climbs onto on the planet there is no reason to show that scene unless it was the same raider, Duridian is correct it is the same Raider it had howver been either put into a new body or rapired then damaged again after or mabe during the destruction of the ressurection ship

duridian

Hmm.. coulda sworn there was a dark patch like a hole in the right side of Scar's "head" in the still shot that Kat has up on the display for the Air Group, but I looked back at the earlier part of the Scar episode where it shows Scar flying in colour and it doesn't seem to be there. Oh well.