Following fishies to way higher stakes

willis

On Tribeca, the minimum sit down at the 20/40nl table is only $400! lol. It is due to this that so many of my buddies ar going broke! The past 2 nights, 2 of my main buddy listers have been playing this game, the first guy dropped about 5k in total before he stopped reloading, the 2nd guy about 1.2k.

Now the are plenty of other fish taking shots at this level sitting in with 800 etc and trying to double up. This level is way outta my bankroll, but would it ever be worth taking a shot if i saw 2/3 fishies at at 6max game? How far outta your bankroll would you follow a fish?

On a sidenote, whats with everyone sitting in this 20/40nl games so underfunded? 5handed table last night and the biggest stack was $2k! Anybody think the fact that the min buyin for this game is way too low and will lead to more fishies goin broke?

ianmc38

There's one or two boards fishies who sit at that game with 1k or so and try to double or triple up. Seems to work as well.

Playing out of your bankroll isn't a good idea even if it's a full table of fish.

StraddleFor6

I followed two of my fishy buddies to the 10/20 omaha on tribeca once (very silly). I sat down with 1k. Within 20 mins I was sitting on 2.5k and feeling great. Both my fishy buddies had left/bust so I looked around and realised I was now the fish...time to get out. Of course I had to play a round of the button before I did, when this hand occured.
One limper. I limp in the cutoff with 6678(suits not important). SB pots it to 90 (just lost a huge pot, suspect tilt). Villian calls, I call. 270 in the middle.
Flop 547 rainbow. The nuts!!!

SB pots it. Villian re-pots it!!! 1400ish, I think it was. I throw in my 2.5k and cross my fingers. To my amazment the SB calls! As does the Villian.

6.8k in the middle and I have the nuts. The SB turns over AAJ10!!!! The villian turns over the dreaded 77xx. Turn 3, River 3. Giving the villian the nut house. The 6.8k slides across the screen to 'luckylucky'.

That day/week I proceeded to lose more than half my bankroll on supertilt. I am struggling to rebuild it and feel I haven't been playing to my full potential since.

So, I would not recommend following your fishy friends to the higher stakes (certainly not omaha...God, I love and hate that game so much).

luckylucky

StraddleFor6 wrote:

. Giving the villian the nut house. The 6.8k slides across the screen to 'luckylucky'.

That day/week I proceeded to lose more than half my bankroll on supertilt. I am struggling to rebuild it and feel I haven't been playing to my full potential since.

So, I would not recommend following your fishy friends to the higher stakes (certainly not omaha...God, I love and hate that game so much).

I had to reply to this 4 obvious reasons

Soz StraddleFor6 - if it's any consolation the same sort of stuff has happened me on tribeca and I agree that u should not go 2 far out of ur way to chase fishes to higher levels particulalry as sometimes these supposed 'fishes' may play a lot better when there's real money at stake.

I think one big thing that's important that is if ur playing at a level ur comfortable with - whatever that is - there will be players taking shots at it playing with 'scared money' and this gives u a tremndous advantage over them. If u move up out of ur comfort stakes u r da one giving the other players this advantage over u.

And as for hating and loving omaha so much - that is so right! it just about sums up how I feel about that game 'n all.

ianmc38

StraddleFor6 wrote:

I followed two of my fishy buddies to the 10/20 omaha on tribeca once (very silly). I sat down with 1k. Within 20 mins I was sitting on 2.5k and feeling great. Both my fishy buddies had left/bust so I looked around and realised I was now the fish...time to get out. Of course I had to play a round of the button before I did, when this hand occured.
One limper. I limp in the cutoff with 6678(suits not important). SB pots it to 90 (just lost a huge pot, suspect tilt). Villian calls, I call. 270 in the middle.
Flop 547 rainbow. The nuts!!!

SB pots it. Villian re-pots it!!! 1400ish, I think it was. I throw in my 2.5k and cross my fingers. To my amazment the SB calls! As does the Villian.

6.8k in the middle and I have the nuts. The SB turns over AAJ10!!!! The villian turns over the dreaded 77xx. Turn 3, River 3. Giving the villian the nut house. The 6.8k slides across the screen to 'luckylucky'.

That day/week I proceeded to lose more than half my bankroll on supertilt. I am struggling to rebuild it and feel I haven't been playing to my full potential since.

So, I would not recommend following your fishy friends to the higher stakes (certainly not omaha...God, I love and hate that game so much).

Ah so that's the hand? Sick.

bops

...this is one on my favorite hobbies...

1) sit at 20/40 9 seat with 1k
1.1) ...only when full table and only max 2 other short stacks - eg of other stacks would be: 16,12,10,8,7,6,2 and 1k
2)wait for AA KK QQ or (AK - if you feel like a gamble)
3) get one of the above and PUSH!!
...you will be very surprised what you get called by!!

4) also limp in the odd time with good drawing hands - only in late position when you think its gonna remain cheap!

...if you are card dead - let yourself get blinded away to 500 - thats a lot of hands gone by!! - one double up and your back to where you started (2 live cards and close your eyes!!) - don't fool yourself that you may be able to pick up the blinds/limpers just because you've folded the previous 80 hands!!

plan should be:
1k to 2k
2k to 4k
run away very fast!!

do not reload if you get sucked out (very common!)/ walk in a bigger hand (very rare!!) ...go tilt on 1/2 table for ten minutes instead - much much cheaper!!

If you had the bankroll - i guarantee this is a wining strategy!!!!
anyone gotta loan of 50k ????

StraddleFor6

That was you luckylucky? Do you have your location as beijing?

luckylucky

bops wrote:

...this is one on my favorite hobbies...

1) sit at 20/40 9 seat with 1k
1.1) ...only when full table and only max 2 other short stacks - eg of other stacks would be: 16,12,10,8,7,6,2 and 1k
2)wait for AA KK QQ or (AK - if you feel like a gamble)
3) get one of the above and PUSH!!
...you will be very surprised what you get called by!!

4) also limp in the odd time with good drawing hands - only in late position when you think its gonna remain cheap!

...if you are card dead - let yourself get blinded away to 500 - thats a lot of hands gone by!! - one double up and your back to where you started (2 live cards and close your eyes!!) - don't fool yourself that you may be able to pick up the blinds/limpers just because you've folded the previous 80 hands!!

plan should be:
1k to 2k
2k to 4k
run away very fast!!

do not reload if you get sucked out (very common!)/ walk in a bigger hand (very rare!!) ...go tilt on 1/2 table for ten minutes instead - much much cheaper!!

If you had the bankroll - i guarantee this is a wining strategy!!!!
anyone gotta loan of 50k ????

I hear ya and not disputing that this is a workable strategy whatsoever, but there is one downside if ur shortstacked ur leverage is reduced big time - u can nvr really give any1 a cold sweat ,and u r more easily pushed out of pots.

If u can keep ur composure with this going on then good ur strategy is fine but I have to admit at times when I have tried this startegy I have said fcuk it I'm not having these guys push me around no more and i increase my chips to the max with either gr8 or fatal results.

Human nature being what it is and with us poker players in particular we try to give ourselves reasons for it 2 b ok to play above our BR - I know I have done so and tbh though I try not 2 I will prob do so again.

luckylucky

StraddleFor6 wrote:

That was you luckylucky? Do you have your location as beijing?

I had
da real funny thing was the racial abuse I got, some from my own compatriots - 1 Dublin guy called me a fcukin dog eater! had me lmao.
I've changed it 2 da real people's republic now though

bops

luckylucky wrote:

I hear ya and not disputing that this is a workable strategy whatsoever, but there is one downside if ur shortstacked ur leverage is reduced big time - u can nvr really give any1 a cold sweat ,and u r more easily pushed out of pots.

Correct - but the basic principle is you want the call when you push - the fact that you are short stacked gets you the call you are looking for.

luckylucky wrote:

If u can keep ur composure with this going on then good ur strategy is fine but I have to admit at times when I have tried this startegy I have said fcuk it I'm not having these guys push me around no more and i increase my chips to the max with either gr8 or fatal results.

Yep - composure is the key

luckylucky wrote:

Human nature being what it is and with us poker players in particular we try to give ourselves reasons for it 2 b ok to play above our BR - I know I have done so and tbh though I try not 2 I will prob do so again.

human nature sucks

luckylucky

bops i think a good compromise strategy would b to buy in shortstacked in a game that u don't want to really lay out a full-buy-in for but if u had to would not b 2 bothered either. ie. Say a game that u have maybe 20 buy-ins for

jimbling

ive only played in the 20/40 game 3 times..... but I've made money on each occasion. I have either bought in for 800 or 1k.
I check the tables most nights to see what players are on. If there is a few who I know a bit about (in the negative sense), and I happen to have a bulging bankroll at the time... then I might sit down for a while. But its all a gamble. As long as you realise that then its not much of an issue. If you can't afford to play the level then you should never reload (well, logically you shouldn't be there in the first place:-).
Just say, ah well, not tonight.
I still think it's absolutely stupid that they have a buy in of 400 in this game. especially when the 10/20 game is 1k.... lol.. where's the logic?

shaydy

luckylucky wrote:

1 Dublin guy called me a fcukin dog eater!

fcukin laughed out loud when i read that haha lmao!! classic

willis

Lol, was cracking me up aswell

Yeah, look at even the likes of BOPS/Jimbling...countless players are taking shots at this level, and the better players must be raking it in.

This idea u have BOPS i dont like...coz if u get aa vs kk u will only win like 1k instead of like 8k if u had full stack, u lose out on such value. Your strategy of waiting for big hands is weak and the better plays will spot it quickly

luckylucky

willis wrote:

Lol, was cracking me up aswell

Yeah, look at even the likes of BOPS/Jimbling...countless players are taking shots at this level, and the better players must be raking it in.

This idea u have BOPS i dont like...coz if u get aa vs kk u will only win like 1k instead of like 8k if u had full stack, u lose out on such value. Your strategy of waiting for big hands is weak and the better plays will spot it quickly

I think the shortstack strategy applied correctly works a lot better for PLO rather than No Limit Hold'em.

jimbling

willis wrote:

Lol, was cracking me up aswell

Yeah, look at even the likes of BOPS/Jimbling...countless players are taking shots at this level, and the better players must be raking it in.

This idea u have BOPS i dont like...coz if u get aa vs kk u will only win like 1k instead of like 8k if u had full stack, u lose out on such value. Your strategy of waiting for big hands is weak and the better plays will spot it quickly

hmmm... i guess it depends on what u call taking shots at this level. I mean, anyone can buy in small and hope to hit some nice cards... its not going to work in the long run. Taking a shot at a level means actually trying to beat it... totally different. I dont think buying in short will work for you in that regard.

What we're doing is gambling... different story.:D

Also, it is absolutely inevitable that this will occur when ppp make the buy in so small. If I was a reg at that game I would prefer to see a min buy in of 2k.

luckyvegas7

i bought in the 1020 a few times for 1k.. and just couldnt play my game. Ive seen ppl buying into 20/40 for 400...9/10 go bust but i have seen some get it up to 3k.. btw where did u finish last nite in the 20k jimm

jimbling

luckyvegas7 wrote:

i bought in the 1020 a few times for 1k.. and just couldnt play my game. Ive seen ppl buying into 20/40 for 400...9/10 go bust but i have seen some get it up to 3k.. btw where did u finish last nite in the 20k jimm

jeez lucky.... i had it rough last night...
You saw a few of them... losing every friggin race, then that QQ Vs KJ hand was just unreal wasnt it? he called 90k all in with KJ... ffs. I did steal his 40k blind on the final table 5 hands in a row though... lol.. paybacks a beaut.

Actually fought my way onto the final table with a decent enough stack, but lost a 475k pot when my 99 couldn't stand up against 88. And all the chips went in on a 6 high board.

I was shortstacked from then...
Eventually got caught on one of my many steals when I ran my 22 into 1010 and I finished in 6th. Thankfully it was our landing strip that took my chips.
I was honestly very very disappointed... i was playing well and getting some decent cards, just couldn't friggin win an all in.

sry for the hijack willis

luckyvegas7

thats sick..not unusual though!... did landing strip win it?... hope u got sometin in return

jimbling

luckyvegas7 wrote:

thats sick..not unusual though!... did landing strip win it?... hope u got sometin in return

lol.. dunno, it was 1.30 by then... way past my bed time :eek: , remembered why I don't play that tourney too often.


ha... no I got nothin in return... was just wondering if you had heard anything back... lol... I reckon it was a bloke all along... still, funny as hell.

luckyvegas7

haha yea, better off playing the 99$ rebuy or 200 freezeout me thinks

ocallagh

i sat into the 20/40 a few nights back with 1k and took a sick sick beat.... 2 outeron the river (sry oscar if u have to hear about it again), but some of the players at that level are worse than 1/2... no kidding. for a good adrenalin hit, and if you have a few hundred spare it's quite good fun. expect to go broke about 40% of the time though.

just bought into the 10/20 30 mins back, for 1k - got it up to 2500 :) BB/100 was 85 - AK vs TT for 1700 pot, and AJ on AJ2 board against T8 (flush draw) for 2k pot - most of the money went in on the turn.