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The 'Mark of God'
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Any project has key elements to it:
A Mandate
A Plan
Timings
Methodology
Documentation
Stakeholders
Security issues
Deployment of the plan
Continuous review
Don’t get hung up on these items or even the order, all you project planners, they are not meant to be an exhaustive list, they are there to illustrate the issues. I am sure that any of you who have ever been involved in project planning or deployment will relate to these issues.
The Mandate
Like all projects there is a reason for wanting the new facility or change in the first place – God has a need to reconcile His spiritual creation (Adam & Eve and their descendents) with Himself after Satan introduced sin into their lives – rebellion against God.
If you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit then you don’t have God in you and therefore are a sinner in God’s eyes.
God’s strategies for deploying the Mandate provide a Framework.
The Project Plan
God formulated a plan for all of this and, like any good plan, committed to timeframes and methods that include His technology and the methods. This plan lays out who, what and when actions will be taken (or occur).
Set-up, especially of the environment in which it is to take place, is as important as the project roll-out itself.
Overall the project as well as the strategies and environment, in which it is to be expedited, form the Framework.
Project milestone timing is accurately recorded in the form of God’s prophecies. These have been proven throughout history to be accurate to the year, over a project duration to date of several thousands of years. This is not bad going over such an extended period – some have even proved accurate to the day.
Project Timings/Duration
This project commenced when Adam & Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden – a spiritual place - into the physical world to toil for their living along with everyone else. It will end with the destruction of the great Dragon or Satan or Lucifer or Angel of Light – they are one and the same entity – the known and unknown master of many on this forum.
No one knows except Father God when this project will end but the signs of the ends times are more prevalent than ever. The sons of Prince Charles are not far from 30 years of age so we are all watching this space with baited breath. Plus most of the prophecies covering the Plan milestones have been completed.
Best estimates put project completion at between 80 and 90%.
Project Realities
Every project produces new realities, especially when the rubber hits the road for the first time. Almost every project has its detractors. For example, this project has both cause and effect, but there is a genius in every class:
‘Some theists, observing that all ‘effects’ need a cause, assert that God [of-the-Bible] is a cause but not an effect. But no one has ever observed an uncaused cause and simply inventing one merely assumes what the argument wishes to prove. ‘
Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith
The opponents of God’s Framework have worked ceaselessly under Satan to undermine and thwart the realisation of the project. Basically their effort has been to create a parallel, counterfeit, project to deceive stakeholders into participation, thus diverting or removing them from the real project. Their vigour is often based on ignorance and levered by Satan.
This counterfeit framework has indeed been hugely successful if it is judged by the number of agnostics, atheists and other religions adhering to it, some under the name of Christianity.
Perhaps the separation of the two frameworks explains why we do not need ‘blind’ faith but absolute faith for that which is tangible within us – the Holy Spirit. In return, the Holy Spirit provides tangible guidance and strength. Those that have the Holy Spirit in us know and feel the reality just like those with a Spirit Guide from Satan know that the demon is real and gives them evil power. Those that don’t have either can only surmise about the situation, confusing gods and personal power.
Someone please explain this to Richard Dawkins who wrote in his book ‘The Selfish Gene’:
‘Blind faith can justify anything. In a man believes in a different god, or even if he uses a different ritual for worshipping the same god, blind faith can decree that he should die - on the cross, at the stake, skewered on a Crusader’s sword, shot in a Beirut street, or blown up in a bar in Belfast. Memes for blind faith have their own ruthless ways of propagating themselves. This is true of patriotic and political as well as religious blind faith.’
Satan’s project work has been done under the guise of a number of ceremonies and controlling actions that lull participants into comfort zones. Ceremonies are entertaining and most people, being ‘empty’ or without purpose in life, need entertainment. This is the great diversion, used by Hollywood to further erode your understanding of God’s Framework and to prepare you for Satan’s counterfeits. Just like the traditional churches. Just like a remarkable fishing lure in the spiritual sense.
The counterfeit project has many facets and is called religion. There are now many sub-projects in the form of different religions to satisfy the flavour of the region or year. Even atheism was introduced at a specific point in history to further the aims of Satan by neutralising potential opponents into being neither fish nor fowl in the spiritual battle for supremacy. Many so-called atheists practice witchcraft without acknowledging their master.
Do not confuse Christianity with religion – they are two different projects within two opposing Frameworks. Do not confuse the counterfeit Christianity, practiced by the traditional churches, with that of the reborn Christian either – they belong to the ‘other’ framework.
Did God not tell you in His Framework that brother will be pitted against brother, father against son etc?
If other OT followers cannot perceive or realise the progress that has been made towards project finalisation (the OT plans coming to a completion stage), then this is really their problem. If they cannot perceive that project tools such as prophecy are still relevant and prevalent today, then this is also their problem – it is a matter of that alignment again. The story and therefore some of the project milestones in the Bible have yet to be completed. The Project Manager has made the achievement of milestones so far, very public.
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Originally Posted by Wicknight.
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Originally Posted by wolfsbane
The bogus claim to infallibility by the papacy has no relation to our claim that the Bible is the infallible word of God
Actually they are exactly the same.
There is no more logical reason to believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God than to believe that the Pope is Gods representative on Earth and speaks for God. There is "evidence" for neither, beyond the cycilical teachings of the church ("the bible says the bible is infallible. Because the Bible is infallible, that must be true").
When a Christian is asked why they believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God the normal response is that is what they believe, often based on a feeling they attribute to being inspired by God Himself. Catholics will also give the exact same answer as to why they believe that the Pope is Gods representative on Earth.
If you as a Protestant can understand your own rejection of the idea of the Pope, then you can see the logic of the atheist rejection of your belief in the infallibity of the Bible. They are one and the same. Your rejection of the Pope as simply a man made institution is no different than my rejection of the Bible as simply a man made book
Despite the incredible efforts of the counterfeit project participants, as well as the deceptive lure for potential stakeholders, God’s project is on time. Because God is omnipotent, each and every milestone is reached regardless – deviations are not tolerated, making Satan the biggest loser of all time. The real ‘amazing race’ that Satan lost before it started!
However he is not likely to tell you of this failure so we will do it for him. We will call this sub-project ‘the evidence of your own eyes’ so you can make up your own mind as to whether you have been suckered into something you thought was worthwhile.
Stakeholders in God’s Framework
People who participate in this plan conform to the rules as well as the intent of this plan. Prior to the arrival of Jesus, only the Israelites qualified as the chosen people. After the arrival of Jesus we had to qualify by becoming ‘born again’. Very much like going through an ISO9000 exercise to align completely with business process and job descriptions within the value chain.
Just like any revised processes, job descriptions and value chain, everything is both renewed and aligned according to God’s rules and plan. This renewal process for stakeholders is called being ‘born again’.
Clapping and dancing – just like David did – is scriptural and can be found in the Framework, just like everything else we do, hence the term ‘happy clappers’ to describe us!
Clearly, there are many people in different phases of this alignment process as well as those going through continuous improvement assignments.
Those that are not aligned with God’s Framework because they choose not to be so or are in spiritual bondage under control of Satan’s demons and don’t know any better, are known as ‘the other people’. Calling them ‘losers’ at this stage is a bit harsh because God has extended open invitations and will make sure they get invites everywhere in the world over time according to the Project Plan. The ‘other people’ will exercise freedom of choice to accept or decline God’s invitation.
Fortunately for you, God has extended an invitation to all of you to be aligned with His Framework but this requires you to change out of your comfort zones – too much to ask, despite the alternatives, for most of you!
The instant gratification you receive through the counterfeit project may be too big a draw card for you despite the obvious transience of it all. And don’t forget the big prize at the completion of your part in the counterfeit project – it really is quite deceptive! Quite suitable reward for your labours.
I too, had to be plucked out my comfort zone, it certainly wasn’t of my own choosing at the time – God had a special plan for me and He wasn’t going to let me get away with ducking out of it! Thank you, Father!
Why is it that people can’t see that their actions and ‘fruits’ are very public knowledge despite their attempts to hide them?
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Originally Posted by Wicknight.
It is a private matter.
Originally Posted by Cantab.
Religion is not a private matter.
Yes it is. The state or society has no right to force you to follow or not follow a religion (so long as you stay within the law) and you have no force others in society to follow your religion.
‘Religion’ is not, and cannot, be private. I cannot hide my spiritual health under a bushel and in fact, I go to great lengths to declare it before those who I submit to in terms of my spiritual covering.
Do you think that if your pimples on your face were showing that I couldn’t determine that your blood had a problem? Or if you limped, that your leg was not healthy? I can see the bags under your eyes that mark your inner stress and I can see the way you look at me that you have something to hide or are unsure of yourself.
If you have a yellowish complexion you are either ‘oriental’ or probably have an ‘incidental’ liver problem as an occidental.
Spiritually I, amongst many others, can sense and indeed, ‘see’ the colour of most people’s spiritual cloak. If it is white then that person is anointed but grey to black means that person has a problem.
So you can hide under your Burka as a Muslim female but I can see by the distance between your eyes and the size of your hips whether you are attractive or not. Even if your eyes are covered, I can see into your soul and you cant hide from me. If I was that corrupt, would your robes and hidden treasures stop me from raping you?
Where do you think nuns fit into this scenario?
This is why spiritual covering is so important. All the others don’t have to know what it is that you battle with (smoking, lust, porn etc); what they do need to know is that you are dealing with it in front of God.
One bad apple can make a whole community bad through demon transference – this is why it can never be private! God will fleck your spiritual disposition open if its not in alignment with His Word – ever increasingly public if you don’t heed the warnings.
I will not let you stand with me to pray if your spirit and therefore spiritual ‘cleanliness’ is not what it should be. You could contaminate mine. This is why homosexual priests cannot be allowed to minister to the congregation.
Besides, as a person baptised in the Holy Spirit, I can discern your ‘religion’ and it is never private. You will only be able to hide your preferences from someone who is without the mark of God.
If you do earnestly want to change and become part of God’s project to reap the rewards, members of this Board who already have such alignment, are already mandated through the Framework to assist you, after you have gone one2one with Jesus Christ to establish the relationship through discussion in the form of prayer. It could be a good idea if you demonstrate real repentance to Him – don’t bother trying to wear it on your sleeves to impress us! We will know in our spirit, through the Holy Spirit that indwells us, if you are genuine or not.
Stakeholder Task Phases
God’s Plan has 4 major phases within which Stakeholders participate in the sub-projects, called the four ‘Ps’, once they have committed to Jesus:
Pioneering Phase
Everything is new and bewildering. You are probably wondering how you got into this in the first place! Being ‘slain in the spirit’, spiritual warfare, demon transference and speaking in ‘tongues’ are all too way out for you.
Persist and everything becomes clearer and more meaningful. You start to put all the pieces of the jigsaw together to see the big picture.
Parenting Phase
Just like a parent held your hand when crossing the road when you were younger, you still need some handholding on issues. Make sure you attend home cell as well as communal worship and have continuous spiritual covering. You will probably experience God communicating with you very clearly at this stage in many ways.
Satan too, increases his attacks on you at this point – he will never let up.
Participation Phase
Your alignment and knowledge allows you to participate in the Plan sub-projects, just as you can now walk across the road by yourself. Increase your vigilance against Satan, while enjoying a closer relationship with Jesus – your best friend.
God is shaping you in your role, equipping you while introducing His Plan just for you. You ask for wisdom so God gives you challenges that often seem to originate from Satan, to learn such wisdom.
Partnership
You are now in a position to contribute to the Plan, becoming a partner in the sub-projects. You help others to walk across the road or hold their hand on certain issues.
You start expediting the Plan that God has for you.
Without the four ‘P’ principles driving stakeholders, other secular projects in business or life, fall to pieces – strange, hey?
Our tasks are different to that of a man-made project. We cannot undertake or influence any of the main milestones or timings. We can only monitor and stand in awe as these are achieved around us.
Our tasks are therefore limited to living according to the Framework, within the sub-projects. The Framework contains instructions for living our life according to God’s Plan just for each of us and assisting with the 4Ps wherever practical.
This includes contributing tithes, gifts and time or being used as a vehicle for prophecy or five-fold ministry work, as examples.
Sub-Project : God’s Purpose in our lives
God’s purpose is laid out in a foundational statement to Abraham in Genesis 12:2/3:
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
In summary:
You need to be blessed by God (the ‘sodality’ model)
You need to bless others (the ‘modality’ model)
So God’s purpose, in other words His Plan, for us revolves around satisfying these two issues within an individual plan for each of us. Overall, each of us is called upon to become a disciple of God. Each reaching this objective through different routes – an individual plan.
You are all included, dabblers, agnostics and atheists – the lot – ‘shall all families of the earth be blessed’
But you need to want to be one of the chosen few. Thank God that the entrance exam is so easy for everyone. Only a Holy Spirit filled person qualifies for the discipleship entrance examinations - no counterfeit cardholders here! How do you get the Holy Spirit? The same way as you get a demon, a spirit guide – you invite Him into your life through prayer.
Documentation
Any good project produces documentation to allow progress review, identification of deviations and a basis for future planning. Framework documentation is known as the ‘Bible’. The only reliable version that has not been perverted is the King James Version but even your latest copy should be validated.
You should be warned upfront that even this version of the project documentation has some translation errors although these can easily be detected and rectified. They do not detract from the purpose or function of the Framework.
The acronym ‘Bible’ could be ‘basic instructions before leaving earth’.
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Originally Posted by Tim Robbins
9. What is ballpark figure for how accuracte you think the old testament is and how accurate you think the new testament is?
Originally Posted by MountainMan
Also isn't the Old Testament superseded by the new. (I know that this is contrary to Catholic doctrine which says that Judaism is a valid way for Jews to approach God)
The OT contains the Mandate, selected documentation (history) as well as the timings and methodologies of God’s project.
Wicknight and myself had a discussion some time back about the fact that each witness of a crime would probably have a different version of the events. Nonetheless, the crime had been committed.
Just because some of the history is perhaps not accurately recorded or there are minor conflicts between individual accounts, these do not invalidate either the overall Framework or the project plan. There are even some glaring translation errors between the different languages used over time into English but these are easily fixed. Genesis is a good example.
The prophecies forming the milestones to be reached are not distorted in any way, except that they are often expressed metaphorically, necessitating the assistance of the Holy Spirit to understand.
Each and every milestone in the project has been verifiably stated and documented in advance and we also have the project summary in the form of Revelation to guide us as to overall project progress and timing. Recorded history can be used to verify milestones already achieved even if Satan has tried to destroy any evidence to the contrary.
An atheist definition of a Christian:
n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
- Ambrose Bierce
We should really check up on him to see what placed the spiritual scales on his eyes!
Or:
Most Christians suffer from a form of mental dyspepsia. A detachment from reality which I can only dub christopsychosis or bibliopsychosis, both being particular forms of theopsychosis. The only cure and protection: thinking, logic, and reason, is hard to administer. Often the condition is acute and incurable, and has proven to be malignant and contagious.
By Eljay
(I put this one in especially for the YECs on behalf of the Evolutionists on this forum. )
A project plan has to deploy thinking, logic and reason, especially one that operates in many dimensions in a spiritual environment, making it exceeding difficult for a person like Eljay to contemplate or rationalise.
The NT contains details a major project milestone achieved as foretold in the OT – part of the operational deployment of the Project. This of course contains the major project phase around the arrival of Jesus Christ and fulfillment of one part of God’s Plan or Word. This phase also introduced additional project issues and improved explanations.
Neither the OT nor the NT supersede or obsolete each other, just like a house plan cannot invalidate the house it describes. One of the changes that is foretold in the OT and achieved in the NT is that the ‘law’ (legalism) passes away with the crucifixion of Jesus. We live under grace now that Jesus has redeemed us from Satan.
Of course, Jesus shows us how to live under grace as described in the Bible and mentioned many times in these posts.
The Bible as it stands, is incomplete. Several project milestones have been achieved since the one describing the life of Jesus Christ. The phase of the Holy Spirit Phase that commenced at Pentecost is still ongoing. Many sub-project milestones have been achieved, preparing the way for the Bride of Christ to be ready for Him in the last days.
So God’s Plan is a living plan being documented by present day history and His children.
Overall Framework documentation will one day contain the details of how Revelation played out. The Word of God is therefore dynamic - a living word.
How would you know that other projects or ‘documents’ are false? Just check if they accurately contain the Framework elements for God’s Plan found in the KJV Bible. Delightful praise and prose, or even methods for getting your own way or achieving godlike attributes, produced without the Framework, means that the documentation refers to the counterfeit project and owner. Prophecies that hang in mid air without fulfillment, is another give-away.
This is why the books that the great Deceiver wants us to add to the current Bible set or has given to other religions, are irrelevant – do they influence God’s Framework? Do they change anything? Will they delay your move to the truth?
Now there is a futile exercise for those of you who really think that religion is common and that we all worship the same god. Who of you is working on behalf of the great deceiver - trying to merge the two projects under the name of ecumenism? Rather reveal the real framework to your target community – to His children.
Security
This is a spiritual initiative so God has provided His Holy Spirit to indwell and guide those of us who are born again, as well as His Son, Jesus Christ to interface with us from the project office. Better security cannot be found anywhere. It provides verifiable protection against AK47 attacks, disease and illness, repair of injuries as well as supernatural attacks at the minimum, as experienced firsthand.
Continuous Review
Self assessment is arguably the optimum method of ensuring continuous alignment with God’s purposes. Submission to eldership within a five fold ministry church provides continuous alignment as well as spiritual covering and, most importantly, growth.
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‘Faith is the antithesis of proof. ‘ - NY State Supreme Court Justice Edward J. Greenfield, 1995
Within God’s Framework is to be found both the environment as well as the project itself. Man’s common appellation for the Framework is ‘Christianity’ while the real name should be something like ‘God’s Plan for reconciliation with all of mankind’.
Is Christianity under threat? All religions are losers, but Christianity as in born-again, is certified to win through completely – take another look at our sponsor.
The Bible forms the script for the greatest reality show ever. God’s Framework is playing out near you, right now! Don’t miss it! Just miss the counterfeit!
It has often been said that anything may be proved from the Bible; but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything.
Thomas Paine
... and I thought I was onto something with the project milestones!
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UU often states ‘from when I used to be Christian’ and Scofflaw described his ‘increasingly distant religious past’ or words to that effect. Even Asiaprod speaks about once being Catholic.
I mean no disrespect because these are your choices but were any of you ex-Christians actually proper Christians in the first place? You could have been Catholic and adopted all the ceremonies and other procedures but these did not make you a Christian.
Did you actually participate in a five-fold ministry place of worship i.e. the spiritually correct environment and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? Only these would have qualified you to claim to be a Christian.
This is why some of the Board posters remind me of Elizabeth Taylor when she announced on the Larry King show that she converted to Judaism when she wanted to marry her 200th husband. Converted from what? Leaving what?
Of course, I could be confused and therefore wrong about Scofflaw – being religious has nothing to do with being a Christian! 0 -
A quote I found recently:
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! Don’t do it!”
“Why shouldn’t I?” he said.
I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”
He said, “Like what?”
I said, “Well...are you religious or atheist?”
He said, “Religious.”
I said, “Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?”
He said, “Christian.”
I said, “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?”
He said, “Protestant.”
I said, “Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?”
He said, “Baptist!”
I said, “Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?”
He said, “Baptist Church of God!”
I said, “Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?”
He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God!”
I said, “Me too! Are you reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?”
He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!”
I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.
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If you don’t know how you can be deceived or are not sensitive to the Holy Spirit in these matters then you cannot provide a sustainable environment for the protection of your soul but also of your loved ones who may rely on you.
Let me provide several quotes from some RCC related articles (just to show you I’m not totally biased):
‘30 Days magazine (June 2000) carried an interview of Father Gabriel Amorth, chief exorcist of Rome and the most famous exorcist in the world. Fr. Amorth said that the new rite of exorcism is “a farce.’
‘Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Fr. Malachi Martin affirms that satanism has been practiced in the Vatican’
‘THEY ARE REAL
”Unless the parents teach their children of the existence of this other world unseen to the human eye, the children cannot then be protected from the attacks of these agents from hell. My child, they are real, they are living, and they have great power. They, too, possess names as do the high angels in the Kingdom of your God in Heaven.” - Our Lady, March 15, 1978’
ANY UNCLEAN SOUL
Be knowledgeable, My children, and understand that Satan will not come to you as himself. He possesses the body of any unclean soul, be it man, woman, or child. I repeat to you now: all parents will be held responsible for the fall of their children’s souls. Give them a good foundation, and when they are subjected to the storms of evil, they will not crack and crumble under the onslaught.” - Our Lady, March 25, 1972
Are they real? Harry Potter films/books use the names of real demonic strongmen as well as witchcraft colours. I bet you even queued to get your children to see the movie or buy the books that have deceived the world.
How could you be so naïve – I thought you loved your children?
CONSORT OF SATAN
”Any man, woman, or child of the age of reasoning who has fallen from grace shall become a consort of Satan.” - Jesus, November 20, 1975
The only odd thing about this series of articles is that it exhorts one to put on an amulet at the end of it all ‘to protect one’! Demonic items to protect you from demons
The Scapular is indeed a deception.
“Whosoever dies clothed in this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” - Mary’s promise to St. Simon Stock, July 16, 1251”
Consider the very dim view in which God considers giving His glory to another, any other.
“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise, to graven images.” [Isaiah 42:8;]
Most importantly, Jesus Christ was sufficient sacrifice to save mankind. The above promise by ‘Mary’ negates the whole issue of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and therefore obviates Christianity.
The traditional mass, Mary and the Scapular are therefore, all deviations from the Word of God:“For it is impossible to restore and bring again to repentance those who have been once for all enlightened ... if they then deviate from the faith and turn away from their allegiance—it is impossible to bring them back to repentance as long as they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh ... and are holding Him up to contempt and shame and public disgrace.”[Hebrews 6:4, 6]
Are you starting to get the right picture about ‘transubstantiation’ of the wine and wafer? Are you sacrificing Jesus again and again in some witchcraft ceremony when He died once only?
So if you can call him up again and again, then surely you are calling a demon with the name of ‘jesus’?
Thus the whole ‘prayer’ beforehand, is an incantation to rouse this demon?
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”[Galatians 1:8-9]
The Apostle Paul stated this warning twice just so we would get it. So the above warnings are right except that the recommended RCC solution will see you in hell.
Only prayer can provide the armour you need daily:
God commands you to put on His armour daily: Eph: 6:11:
‘Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.’
A prayer for forum Christians, prayed as it is read:
‘Father God, I come to you in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
I ask that you put your armour on me and my loved ones today [or tonight]
And to sprinkle the blood of the lamb over us
To cleanse and keep us from harm’
He warns of the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Be alert. Keep your eyes on Jesus, but know who and what your enemy is. The only requirement is for you and I to get, and retain, our sanctification from the Lord – the Mark of God.
Only a Holy Spirit-filled individual is sanctified.
The Holy Spirit will indwell you once you are spiritually washed through full immersion baptism and when you invite Him (by asking Him) to indwell you.
The whole Israeli population living in Egypt went through the Red Sea ceremoniously for the same purpose – the first ‘mass’ baptism ever.
Spend time in His Word and ‘be still’ for some time so that you can listen to His words – no use doing all the asking without trying listen for the reply.
Remember my God is a jealous god who zealously protects his children from Satan. If you are a Christian then you will follow the commands of Jesus which originate from His Father. So remember what Jesus instructed us the next time you walk into that traditional church and regard the priest, or the cross or the altar or genuflect:
‘Call no man your father, except your father in heaven!’
and:
Ex:20:4:Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:Ex:23:24:
Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
Ex:34:13:But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
An African saying: ‘Walk quietly and peacefully but carry a big stick!’ Know who your enemies are – some might derive from your very environment! Avoid altars – you don’t know what you may be sacrificing!0 -
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The deception perpetrated by Satan and most of his followers is to elaborate about religions and sayings that they claim evolved even centuries before Jesus was born.
Hogwash! All of it is absolute hogwash! (I’ve started learning from Wicknight!)
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Originally Posted by Wicknight
You only believe that the laws described in the Bible are in fact God’s laws. It is perfectly possible that they are not.
Originally Posted by Medina
Again we agree on something. Everything is possible. Thats why I look to other religious books than the bible and I find a lot of common points in terms of morals, ethics and the requirement for a belief in God.
Originally Posted by Asiaprod
‘Christianity is not the only belief system out there. In fact, my own system predates your own.’
And
‘Very interesting question. I believe that Jesus spent a lot of time in Kashmir where he learned a lot of what he later repeated in his final years.’
God, personified, appeared several times on earth before the virgin conception. For example, God in the form of a man appeared to Abraham. Abraham was shown that God, although omniscient was prepared to be flexible and paint another scenario for the future. This is often taken incorrectly as God not being omniscient. He has a plan for each of us – what happens if a person chooses not to turn to God? Clearly that plan will not be expedited!
Remember that Satan does not originate except for evil purposes – he is the master counterfeiter and deceiver. Just look at some of the statements made by the non-‘born again’ people on this Board – they are confused (apart from the sterile ‘scientific’ debate/thread).
Satan learnt a bitter lesson with the flood – his first grand scheme had been defeated. Once he had learnt of God’s plans through the prophets, then he set into motion his own religions again to deceive mankind. So there were stories from ancient times about virgin births and the messiah but the Bible describes the details of the Messiah’s appearance first and in absolute historical order – a long time before Satan gets into the act.
Reflect about God’s Framework and the project timings therein.
In fact, Satan tried to destroy the circumstances that would lead to God’s Word being fulfilled many times as described in the Bible. From the fall of Adam and Eve, to perverting almost the entire populace before the flood, the Tower of Babel, to killing off the babies in Egypt (Moses) and Israel (King Herod), to tempting Jesus in the wilderness – Satan is persistent to say the least. Now recall Satan tempting Jesus in the desert during His fast.
Even consider the world wars last century to prevent the Jewish ‘harvest’ from happening.
Even David (1000 – 962 BC) foretells that Jesus is to be the messiah and that He was to die through crucifixion - a method unknown at the time and only used for a few centuries in total. Thus we can fix the birth and crucifixion of Jesus Christ within the Roman times of occupation.
Secondly, Isaiah (approx 760 BC) also foretold of the coming of Jesus and showed us when and how it would happen.
Isa:9:6 - 7:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
By the way, Isaiah also prophesied about God’s plan for the gentiles (‘… even unto the gentiles’) that is reflected in Timothy as stated by BrianCalgary.
Isa:49:6:And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Again we can use Daniel who also proclaimed the arrival date of Jesus – Daniel 7:13 – 14, as well as His crucifixion down to the year in 9:26. Now we wait for the RCC and Israel’s pact and the occupation of the temple of Jerusalem by the anti-Christ after determined freemasons have rebuilt it.
If you cannot read Daniel without being utterly amazed at how the various prophecies foretell world history that has accurately unfolded since, then you are indeed a deceived person and probably under heavy occult influence.
Get used to the idea that whatever is in the NT is first disclosed in the OT!! The NT elaborates, as the operational deployment of one of God’s project milestones, on the grand plan which is the OT!
For those that look without seeing and hear without listening, here are some more fulfilled and accurate prophecies form the greatest reality show of all – God’s Word:
THE FALL OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE PREDICTED TO THE DAY
In 1838 a clergyman by the name of Josiah Litch predicted that on the 11th of August 1840 the Ottoman Empire would come to an end based upon the sixth trumpet of Revelation. The four angels (Sultans of Turkey) were bound at the great river Euphrates. (Turkey) They were to kill men for an hour, a day, a month and a year which taken as a day for a year adds up to 391 years and 15 days. With 30 days to a prophetic month. Litch was correct to the day.
THE END OF THE ATTACKS ON EUROPE TO THE YEAR
Many Christians predicted that the Saracen invasions on Rome would end in 1449AD and they were right, based on the fifth trumpet of Revelation. They were to torment men for 5 months.
Again taking a day for a year and 30 days to a prophetic month this came to 150 years. The first invasions began in 1299 and ended in 1449.....150 years later. The fifth trumpet describes the Saracens. They were locusts that became horses. They had golden crowns... (their turbans...) they had breastplates of metal...(their body armour...)..they had the hair of women...(the Saracens wore their hair long.) They had the faces of lions...(The Saracen Turks were known for their lion like courage and fierce countenance.)
TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT DANIEL
The beast of Daniel and Revelation was to receive his power and seat and great authority from Rome. ... this the Papacy did from the last Emperors of Rome.
It was to uproot three horns or powers. This happened as forces fighting for Roman Catholicism destroyed three of the Barbarian tribes that rejected Catholic authority.
It was to rule for 1260 years and then receive a deadly wound which would heal....This is how men such as John Robertson predicted the down fall of the Papacy in 1798, 30 years before it happened.
The last of the Barbarian tribes were destroyed in 538 AD adding the 1260 days and counting a day for a year comes to 1798 when the armies of Napoleon walked into the Vatican and took the Pope prisoner to France. The deadly wound had begun. In the 1920s Mussolini gave the Pope back power over Vatican state and the deadly wound started to heal. The whole world including the Protestant churches are again worshiping the beast. The major churches including charismatic and evangelical have signed the document..."Catholics and Protestants together". Rather read ‘some of us’!
THE FRENCH REVOLUTION PREDICTED AT THE END OF THE 18TH CENTURY AND THE SPREAD OF THE GOSPEL
The great reformers predicted that there would be a revolution in France and the bible would be banned for 3 1/2 years and that after this the bible would be translated to hundreds of different languages and go out to all the world.
This was based on chapter 11 of Revelation. The two witnesses that were to prophecy in sackcloth (a symbol of mourning) for 1260 days, (years) 538-1798 ad. The street of the great city was France.
The great city was known as Babylon that stood for Catholic Europe.. the main street was France as it was the greatest home of Roman Catholicism and one of the first of the tribes to accept the Catholic faith. A beast was to ascend out of the bottomless pit and kill God’s two witnesses...(the old and new testaments...) the beast out of the bottomless pit was atheism. The two witnesses were to be killed for 3 and 1 half days...a day for a year makes this again three and a half years , the amount of time that France in the Revolution banned the scriptures. But after this the two witnesses were to come back to life and they were called up to the throne of God.
THE CHURCHES, THE SEALS AND THE TRUMPETS WERE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED ACROSS EUROPE.
Each church and seal matches conditions in different periods exactly. The bible must interpret it's self. Men such as Barry Smith who are spreading the Ribera doctrine.(and I am not saying here that Mr Smith is not at least in part fulfilling the will of God. He is still preaching about a coming anti-Christ and there is probably a lot of truth in the mark of the beast at least being in part about some sort of global new world order system that makes it impossible to buy or sell. Some say that the white horse of the seals is the future anti-Christ. White, though, is a symbol of purity...Jesus rides a white horse, the saints are dressed in white etc.
Ephesus...The name Ephesus means "A sweet thing" and matches the time of the first church period about 33ad –100AD. The first seal is white and is a symbol of the purity of the church of this time.
Smyrna…. the name means persecution and incense before God and matches the second church period from 100AD - 323AD. Notice that in this church Jesus says you will have persecution ten days. A day for a year again - the worst period of persecution for this period was 313AD – 323AD. The second seal is red the color of blood and fits the symbol well.
Pergamos – the name means "The high place of the people". With Constantine’s nominal conversion to Christianity, pagans were bought into the church and with them worship of idols, but now they were idols of Mary and the saints. The period covers 323AD – 538AD. The third seal is black and this color is a symbol of apostasy and compromise.
Thiatira - They were to be cast into great tribulation..538 - reformation 1517AD.
The seal is the color of death. Over 200 million Protestants were murdered by the Papacy during this period
5th seal...The saints cry out to God...Church was Sardis, the post reformation church. The name means "The remnant escapes". Revelation says they had a name for being alive but were really dead. After the great reformers shook the world with their messages, their followers are always content to live up to the light given but will usually not go any further
THE GREAT SIGNS OF THE SIXTH SEAL AND JESUS WORDS FULLFILLED
The 6th seal...The persecutions by the Papacy stopped in 1750. Five years later, The Lisbourne earthquake happened. (and the 6th seal opened and there was a great earthquake)
In 1780 the great dark day that no scientist can explain happened across Eastern America - that very night the moon turned a glowing red color (The sun was darkened and the moon turned as red as blood)
In 1833 the greatest meteorite shower happened across the U.S. The meteorites were seen at a rate of 100,000 an hour (and the stars fell from heaven as a fig tree cast its fruit)
Jesus words also came true here. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will turn to blood and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." This all began five years after the great tribulation of the dark ages.
The next church age around 1790AD – 1844AD was called "Philadelphia" which means "brotherly love". This was the beginning of the great movements for mankind and the great missionary movements and the start of churches like the Salvation Army.
Notice that Revelation says to this church "I will save you from the hour of tribulation that is to come upon the whole world". It is amazing with an extensive study how much more of the churches, seals and trumpets fit into history exactly.
Laodecia means a people judged. This church period began at the same time as the 2300 day/year prophecy that was a continuation of Daniel 9 in Daniel 10.
"Unto 2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed"
The sanctuary is the true one in heaven that Christ mediates for us. The last work of the sanctuary on earth is the Day of Atonement, or the cleansing of the sanctuary. Time does not permit an investigation of this.
In 1844 which was the starting date for the 2300 day/years, movements were raised up by God that bought forward lost truths from the dark ages. Luther and others had started this reformation but it is to be continued until the end of the world. The three angel’s messages of Revelation were preached to the world.
1. Fear God and give him glory for the hour of his judgment has come (Laodecia - A people judged).
2. Come out of Babylon (The apostate church systems)
3. And the third angel’s message was not to take the mark of the beast or worship his image.
AMERICA WOULD GROW TO BE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH
The Wesley brothers predicted that America was to grow to be the greatest nation on earth.
In chapter 13 of Revelation when the Papacy receives it's deadly wound, another lamb like the beast is to arise up from the earth. The other beasts arose from the seas which Revelation describes as ‘nations and multitudes and tongues’. This beast is also to exercise a world wide influence making the whole world worship the first beast who’s deadly wound is healed. The lamb-like beast has two horns.
The lamb is a symbol of Christ and the first founding fathers based the nation on the principles of Protestantism...freedom of government and freedom of religion. The constitution and the declaration of independence were also signed around this time. This is the lamb-like qualities. The U.S. is to change though; it is to speak like a dragon. Speaking by a country is done through its laws. It is also to set up an image to the first beast that made alteration in time and law.
The Papacy changed God’s Ten Commandments, removing one and splitting another to make up ten in total. The Sabbath was moved from Saturday to Sunday. When the leading churches of the United States have Sunday enforced as a day of worship they will be setting up an image to the first beast that made alteration in time and law.
These things will soon happen.
Economic disaster as we are now on the 5th wave of the stock market that ends with a major collapse. At this time the churches are preaching prosperity when God says to be content with those things that you have and not to worry about your life what you will eat drink and care. There are seven distinct church ages across history that run parallel with the seals and trumpets, the last is called Laodecia that thinks it is rich and in need of nothing but is in fact wretched blind and naked.
Next there will be natural disasters as the four angels are loosing the four winds... they are holding them back till the servants of God are sealed...they will come from all churches to join that persecuted minority that the bible calls in chapter 12 and 14 (notice in the middle is chapter 13 about the mark.....Those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus...which the bible says is the spirit of prophecy.
Back to Buddha
Siddhartha Gautama—known after his enlightenment as the Buddha - died around 480 BC, so even Daniel (who was a teenager when deported to Babylon between 605 and 582 BC), the late comer to foretelling of Jesus predated the Buddha by many years, Asiaprod.
God ‘personified’, appearing on earth as an intercessor for mankind is old hat. Rival teachings were created by Satan to take the focus off the God of Abraham and to deceive His people into thinking that Jesus, in his human form, was only a prophet and not the Messiah. Too bad he lost out!
From Hitler’s ‘swastika’ to the Babylonian and Buddhist sun worship symbols – these are all common and all belong to Satan. Don’t be fooled by Satan, take a look at articles such as this:
“The sun god in Buddhism
The sun god is one of the primary divinities to many peoples. The cult of the sun god has a long and strong tradition in both the east and west. What related to our study is Surya and Mithra. Surya is the sun god in the Indian tradition. The textual history of Surya can be traced to the Rg Veda9. Surya is a major god in the Vedas as well as in the later Hindu pantheon. In early Iranian (and European) tradition, Mithra is the god of light and truth, later of the sun, also a judge of people’s behavior in life after death. The image of the sun god appearing in the Buddhist context leads scholars to seek links between the Buddha and the sun worship10. And, indeed, fragments of allusions have been found from literature sources. A common epithet of the Buddha, “Adicca-bandhu” in Pali, “Aditya-bandhu” in Sanskrit, which can be translated as “kinsman of the sun” occurred in eight texts of the Pali cannon11. It seems there is a kinship between the Buddha and the sun12. In a Sogdian version of the Vessantara Jataka, “Mithra, the Judge of Creation” is mentioned along with other spirits13. This interesting detail is absent from the Pali version of the same text. Then, is the sun god a judge in the Buddhist world system as suggested by some scholars?14. Another group of examples found by scholars were where the sun is mentioned more like a metaphor or symbol, such as “the golden drum shone like the disc of the sun god”15. These examples seem to lack coherence or the significance as a specific Buddhist identity. Then, what kind of role does the sun god play in Buddhism?
The sun god is mentioned in many Buddhist texts, but usually has nothing to do with important Buddhist doctrines. Mainly, he is introduced as a component in the Buddhist cosmos structure in the Hinayana texts. Occasionally, he is brought up as an ancillary figure in the narrative episodes16. In addition, his iconographic description is preserved in the tantric ritual manuals on various mandalas.
As part of the Buddhist cosmology, the sun god and his palace are briefly described mostly in the following Hinayana sutras: the Da Lou Tan Jing (T 23, vol.1) translated into Chinese between 290-306, the Dirghagama (T 1, vol.1) translated in 414, the Abidharmashastra (T 1644, vol.32) translated in 559, the Qi Shi Jing (T 24, vol.1) translated between 581-600, and the Ekottaragama (T 125, vol.2) and so on. The Dirghagama, for example, describes the sun palace as 51 yojanas long on each side and made of various jewels. (There are various explanations concerning the length of a yojana, one says it is about 7 kilometers17). The sun god radiates a thousand rays of light. The life of the sun god is very pleasurable and his life span is 500 years18. The above quality of the world of the sun god appears to be very ordinary among all of the other heavenly realms.
Similar to the other heavens, human beings can be reborn to the sun god’s palace by their merits. Three sutras, the Da Lou Tan Jing, the Qi Shi Jing, and the Dirghagama talk about rebirth in the sun palace. If one makes offerings to the shramanas (“Buddhist monks”) and Brahman, and almsgiving to the poor with food, cloth, medicine, elephants, horses, chariots, houses, lamps or candles, and can give whatever is asked with no regret, he will be reborn as the sun god after this life19. The interesting point, here, is that it is not worship of the sun god that leads one to be reborn in the sun palace. On the contrary, the sun worship is cleared prohibited in the Da Lou Tan Jing20 and the Dirghagama21. In the Dirghagama, worshiping the sun and the moon are listed along with other superstitions and incantations to be avoided, such as fire worship. Whoever devotes to such wrong practice will be reborn either in a hell or the animal realm.
From the Buddhist point of view, a Buddha is an Enlightened being, released from the three realms of samsara (“transmigration”). He reveals the truth and guides the sentient beings, including various gods, to real salvation. A Buddha is far more superior to any god. A title of “kinsman of the sun” might glorify the Shakya clan, but it is too small for the Buddha. Regarding the large body of Buddhist literature, this is a rare term associated with the Buddha. Theoretically, there is no independent cult of the sun god in Buddhism. His role, like Indra, Brahman, and other divinities, is as a follower of the Buddha. They came to the Buddha’s assembly. After the Buddha’s nirvana, entrusted by the Buddha, they became the protectors of the Buddhist Dharma and Buddhist practitioners.
In revealing the Buddhist world system, the sun and the moon are usually introduced together in almost equal footing. The moon palace is smaller than the sun palace of 39 yojanas on each side but is made of various precious materials in a similar fashion. The moon god also radiates lights and lives pleasurably for 500 years. Whoever offers almsgiving to the monks and the poor with cloth, food or other things will ascend to the heaven of the moon after death. However, worshiping the moon is wrong and leads one to a bad rebirth22.
In terms of the visual depiction, the sun god images in early Buddhist art correspond to his position in the Buddhist literature. The sun god images found in the Buddhist sites in India and the Gandhara region are generally small sized partial components of the architecture, such as a pillar or a capital, or as fragments of stone or terracotta relief23. It is impossible to examine if there is a parallel iconographic program of the sun and the moon images. However, their location and size at least indicate that they are not in the position that of having their own shrines or altars to receive worship. The following is an examination of several well-known sun god images to show that they failed to support any significant link between the sun worship and the Buddha.
The most renowned sun god image in Indian early Buddhist art is probably the relief from Bodh Gaya (usually dates to the 1st c. AD). The Surya image appears on the northwest pillar of the railing that surrounds the Mahabodhi Temple. Images of Lakshmi, Shiva, and Indra were also carved on the pillars surrounding the temple. The Surya image does not show any more importance than the other Brahmanical deities on the railing at the site”
Any one else for potpourri of gods? Non-theist? I don’t think so!
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Anyway, because both the Buddha and Jesus experienced enlightenement during their lifetimes and that is why many people to this day have brought various beliefs and moral rules but all in all, they are all very similiar. That is why I firmly disagree with the whole "Oh only Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. go to heaven and those don't". I think all lead to the same source. that is, Enlightenment!
Why do you think the link between Hinduism, Buddhism and Catholicism is so strong? Think Sun God and forced worship on a Sunday. Think ‘new age’!
The concept of Christianity is older than all other religions except for the Jewish and Satanist (e.g. worshipping Dagon, Satan, Lucifer or Baal etc.) religions.
If you are offended by my remarks then you should realise that not once have I insulted Christians. Are you a Christian or a Catholic? Which framework project do you belong to?0 -
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However real, so called miracles that prophets or saints have tried to illustrate to people over the millenia to try to make religious conjecture that is only discussed become actual facts, has on all occasions proved fruitless as we are now in a world today that has no actual proof of any of it.
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However real, so called miracles that prophets or saints have tried to illustrate to people over the millenia to try to make religious conjecture that is only discussed become actual facts, has on all occasions proved fruitless as we are now in a world today that has no actual proof of any of it.
There may be 10,000,000 supposed religious miracles or sightings of angels etc, but a big fat zero when it comes down to actually getting any simple thruths of the matters.
If we don't have any footage of proper ghosts on any newsreels or collective sightings of angels by crowds of sane people or anything to fall back on but conjecture, then debates like these are pointless.
It is a Sunday morning in spring 2001 and the morning service is about to begin in Midrand at the World Outreach missionary church, just north of Johannesburg. An urgent phone call interrupts Abe de Finn, our pastor, and soon he is asking us to pray for the safety of a 4-year old girl who has been taken by car thieves in their haste at a Harare shopping center. The mother is frantic but knows the answer is prayer. We all join in.
Within an hour, before the end of the service, the follow-up call announces the safety of the child and the recovery of the car found in the middle lane at a busy intersection just a few blocks from the shopping center with all its doors open.
When asked what happened, the little girl said that a huge angel stuck his sword into the engine so the car wouldn’t go again and frightened the robbers away.
How many witnesses would you like to interview to verify this story? Would a few hundred do?
In my world, today, there are many miracles that cannot be explained away as being psychosomatic or hallucinations. Just because the angel appeared to the car occupants it is unlikely that anyone else saw or had to see it.
Of course, Wicknight, the little girl could not have taken her medicine that day and was clearly hallucinating!? The carjacking was obviously fake too! Now what if there wasn’t even a shopping center? Or a little girl?
This represents just one very public, verifiable, miracle in our terms. I witness God’s glory day after day because I don’t have spiritual scales on my eyes. I witness people being taken out of their circumstances and being given another chance through God’s grace all the time.
I see men who seek God’s face metaphorically get jobs when they had given up – we don’t have the dole here and there is a 60% unemployment rate. I see marriages mended and the sick being healed.
God is a living being and His Word is being carried out as you read this. There is more than ample evidence to support all of what I have claimed in my recent postings so please guys, stop generalising and get down to specifics so that we can see if you have the courage of your convictions and are flexible enough to acknowledge the truth of that which can be proved especially in terms of God’s Framework.
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As for religious thought, over the years, it has only so far been found to be a load of collective perceptions found within the imagination only.
I, and a few hundred thousand people that I indirectly deal with, clearly live in a parallel universe near you. The intellectuals and academics in the groups all have a common belief system that is close to mine. We have intellectualised these ‘perceptions’ for years, comparing them to Biblical accounts and history.
Only in your dreams are they ‘imaginations’. So who exactly has found religious thought to be a load of collective perceptions? Someone who cannot believe ‘the evidence of their own eyes’?
The use of reverse psychology also has a disturbing effect on non-believers. I often request the more stubborn debaters to find and ask a Satanist if Jesus exists. Satanists, operating in the spirit world have, in my experience, always confirmed that their arch-enemy is indeed alive and how much they hate Him. You will also find examples of this in the Bible, particularly the NT. For your sake, you had better find an ‘ex’ Satanist.
Another true story:
Let me tell you about ‘A’ – a then fifteen year old living in one of the richest suburbs in South Africa. His dad and I shared an office together for several years at an IT company in the sales department. We became firm friends and share a love for the Lord.
About a year after I had left the company, the parents experienced severe ‘rebellion’ problems with ‘A’ - soon after his girlfriend had made a sudden exit. ‘A’ convinced his parents that the only way out of his misery was to improve his social life. The parents agreed to let him go to movies every Friday night and, due to the high crime rate, dropped and fetched him each Friday night. Soon ‘A’ had another girlfriend and everything appeared to be normal – whatever that meant.
A few months down the line ‘A’ had some new problems – his marks were down at school and he became very morose and rebellious again. His dad was determined that the previous episode was not going to be repeated so hauled him over the coals and demanded to know what was happening.
The outburst that followed was shocking. ‘A’ revealed that the reason why he was feeling so down and rebellious was due to the previous girlfriend – the one that had ‘disappeared’. ‘A’ stated words to the effect: “Dad, do you remember XYZ? Well, the reason she disappeared was because she was sacrificed as a Bride of Satan. I helped cut her throat and this week is the new girlfriend’s ceremony – I just can’t go through with it again!”
The final story was that ‘A’ at 15 years old was the chief witch of the coven and had performed human sacrifice on many occasions, had participated in sex orgies (some that included animals) and had met Satan as is normal during such sacrifices.
He used to exit the movie complex and re-enter it timeously after calling his parents to pick him up – they never questioned him about the films he supposedly watched.
The story of how the Satanists tried to kill ‘A’ after he went through deliverance is another lengthy narrative but let it suffice to say that it gave God incredible glory.
Imagine, as a parent, that your beautiful child of 15 had sexual orgies with all sorts of people of all ages as well as animals. Imagine your child helping to kill another human being under sacrificial circumstances that most of us have only witnessed in horror movies? What depravities did that child have to perform to achieve so much satanic power that he could become head of the coven? What would be the long term effect on them?
‘A’ is a pastor today and has fully recovered from his frightening ordeals and memories. The reality of the real world is considerable, if only you open your eyes properly and get rid of the spiritual ‘scales’ over your eyes!
Try convincing ‘A’ who is much older now, that Satan and Jesus do not exist. Or how ‘angels’ could not have protected him after he left the coven.
Not to give Satan any glory, but the sheer special powers that this guy had, would have appeared to be miraculous in our terms.
I have initial agreement to use the story of ‘A’ in more detail in my book and we are to work out just what can be exposed legally over the next few weeks. BTW the coven had a membership of over 300 with a monthly operating budget of over $150 000 – that is phenomenal but not unusual.
On the Satanism Board the various parties debate whether the existence of a particular satanic coven is a one time occurrence
Er …… there is typically one in each ‘white’ South African suburb throughout the country plus all the witchdoctors in every traditionally black area. From what I understand the British Isles is full of covens as one of the occult centers of the world, at least one per suburb or village – so don’t even try that one on us – we are not all as naïve as you would like us to be!
Now considering that there is human sacrifice, even if it is just of ‘breeder’ babies at each coven mostly – that’s a lot of sacrifices each month. Then we still have the illuminati sacrifices!
Locally we have a significant number of higher grade school girls being sacrificed every few months as per the story of ‘A’ above.
If I thought you would benefit, I would provide links to some of my video recordings of actual coven activity. Not for the squeamish or those that faint at the sight of blood being spilt or consumed.
Maybe I should have said wherever there is a Catholic Church there is a coven, but that would have been too mean!
Some time ago I googled for such contacts – I just couldn’t afford the paper it would have taken to print them all out, even using small fonts. Britain, in line with the rest of the world, is rotten.
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He restrains the worst of it??!!
Wolfsbane you have to be joking. Many humans have been (and are) guilty of the basest cruelty. Just about every horror imaginable has been perpetrated by us homo sapiens at one time or another.
Yes God does restrain the worst of it - it has yet to become so widespread and blatant as in Sodom for example or even in backslid Israel/Judea when the first born of each family was sacrificed to Satan. How many times do you need reminding that man was unaware of evil until Satan perverted things and introduced sin?
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Any real godly stuff that would truly shock any heathens and bring them to their knees, has not so far spilled out into actual life and reality, into the newspapers and TV, and religious god stuff is only contained in the many wafflings of talk and conjecture and debates in cyber space etc.
However real, so called miracles that prophets or saints have tried to illustrate to people over the millenia to try to make religious conjecture that is only discussed become actual facts, has on all occasions proved fruitless as we are now in a world today that has no actual proof of any of it.
Still dreaming? There is enough evidence of the new world order and the progress towards this to ‘shock’ you if you were not so deceived and desensitised by their very machinations. Since they control the media, how much of God’s work is likely to be published in a positive light?
Most of the reborn Christians I know almost broke their knee caps scrambling away from their life styles, once they understood what was really happening around them.
We witness supernatural events around us weekly if not more often. Even our lives are governed daily by the supernatural – the Holy Spirit! But then again, our eyes are open!
Every major event in the world created by mankind commences exactly according to a witchcraft date and time. This includes shuttle launches, the start of wars, the Titanic as well as the 9/11 events. Even the swearing in of prime ministers, presidents and other official concerned with government in the world.
The heathen therefore also experience the supernatural daily provided by their master, but your spiritual eyes are mostly shut so you don’t even know it exists!
It is about time that you started studying our experiences instead of making comments that are based on a completely uninformed position. If you are not prepared to properly investigate, I would suggest strongly that you put up reasonable arguments like some of the others or desist completely.
Now equally phenomenal is the absolute silence or lack of knowledge when a major point confirming prophecies is made. When Wolfsbane recently made the confirmation about a prophecy, not a comment appeared from the ‘gallery’. All the skeptics suddenly focused on the creation/evolution part of his YEC posting in an attempt to discredit him! And you expect us to take you seriously?
As my book content matures, I do try to imagine myself in the shoes of the other, intelligent opponents of Christianity. Their posts make much sense at times and have certain made me rethink my own position on certain matters over the past few months.
They say that one should not critisise another until you have walked a mile in their shoes. This sounds perfectly reasonable because, if you have their shoes, you need to be about a mile away!
But what does it take to get an acknowledgement of fulfilled prophecy?
Remember that it is easy to be an armchair skeptic about these things, especially if you have the internet available. But if you have never dabbled in the dark side and then been rescued by Jesus or you may even be stuck in the dark side as one of the ‘other people’, then you will never know! Until you have experienced both, you are not in a position to wear those shoes or to critisise meaningfully.
Most of you need to wake up! This is all too real as shown by everyday events happening right around you!
Get to know God’s Framework!
I just wonder what sort of ‘collective perceptions ‘A’ has? How desensitized have you become?0 -
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The ‘other people’ always make claims such as Jesus having a wife or children, or that God is an alien or that Noah’s wife gave birth to another son while the Ark was still floating on the flood waters. They also claim not to have had, or to have survived, the flood The concept of ‘original sin’ does clearly not apply to them.
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well there is a context that may explain it, we are ‘the other people ……. Why, our Goddess even tells us, “as a sign that you are truly free, you shall be naked in your rites.” Not being born into sin, we have no need of salvation, and no need of a Messiah to redeem our sinful souls.
Neither heaven nor hell is our destination in the afterlife; we have our own various arrangements with our own various deities. The Bible is not our story; we have our own stories to tell, and they are many and diverse.
Lovely story - would have made a direct ancestor of mine, only one generation ago, very proud. A genuine gypsy, my grandmother retired to her caravan in the back of her garden in Plymouth when her husband died – now perhaps you may realise the extent of some of the ‘inherited’ gifts I received as a youngster. As a young man I used these for personal advantage on many occasions and could astound even my close friends with some of the ‘tricks’ especially regarding the attentions of the fairer sex.
But if this were all, I would probably still be locked in to this almost acceptable environment. God showed me both sides and now I am able to discern rather than divine where this comes from, especially the ‘Goddess’ part.
Of course there will be many stories about the great flood; the important fact is that God says that the flood killed off the humans that He had created with His ‘likeness’ that had become contaminated with demons. He did not mention specifically what happened to the ‘other people’ – they are only relevant to the battle of Armageddon.
Have you noticed how we have all been sucked into the creationist versus the evolutionist debate when that is not even the real issue? Satan is most deceptive, removing focus from real issues.
Do you not also notice that pagans or witches always claim that there is no god? But the moment they chant, they call on ‘the Queen of the night’ and ‘our Goddess’ or some other deity or even demons – otherwise known as Satan or his cronies – anything to detract from the God of Abraham, as a key strategy of their god, Satan.
There was even a recent prayer posted on this Board to the dead (man’s saints, notably those of the RCC) that included an appeal to ‘the Queen of the night’ (a known pseudonym for Satan), to help them because of some dire circumstances. This poor unknown soul was clearly in terrible distress - but praying to Satan or embracing his power will only result in a known conclusion – terrible and ultimate deception. But Satan also heals!
“Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”
[Jeremiah 7:17-18]
“Do not be deceived: the Roman Catholic worship of their Virgin Mary, whom they call the Queen of Heaven, is a rebirth of the Pagan worship of various Queens of Heaven throughout history, by various names. In each of these various countries, the Queen of Mother is a Virgin Mother who has given birth to a Divine Child”. Further, the worship of the Catholic Queen of Heaven is precisely the same as the worship of the Queen of Heaven in Ancient Israel, as recorded in Jeremiah above.
Another New Age writer, China Galland, a practicing American Buddhist, has written a very revealing book entitled Longing For Darkness. Galland enthusiastically establishes the commonality between the Virgin Mary and other Pagan goddesses. I, personally, long for the light of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
“Durga, the warrior queen... was the only one who could restore harmony and set the world at peace... the gods sang her praises, called her the Queen of the Universe...” Remember the Time Magazine, quoted above, which reports that one of the names by which the Virgin Mary is known is the Queen of the Universe? Now dig deep about the owners of Time Magazine and the influence that their publications about the occult have had. Check on the funding and how the occult is promoted by them.
Galland continues:
“I had come to find the Buddha Tara, but instead I found the goddesses Durgan and Kali...Kali, the death-dealer and life-giver, the end and beginning of time. She was a deity of such proportions as I had heard only God the Father in Christianity described. The fact that Kali is dark and female turned my Catholic upbringing inside out... Some say she is black because black is the color in which all distinctions are dissolved, others say she is black because she is eternal night.” (p. 27) These two goddesses are Hindu.
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Even if this was not what you intended, your statement still applies to Buddhists, as Buddhists are non-theists
non-theists Just how many versions of Buddhism are there? That’s like saying there is only one version of Hinduism or Islam.
‘There are many gods in Buddhism, which is, especially at the popular level, an extremely theistic religion.’
Buddhists are non-theists, Asiaprod?
‘Brother Morris B. de Pass, 33°, Master of Kadosh of the Peking Scottish Rite Bodies, in his annual report, includes the following interesting story in regard to Wootsu Society. ‘During the past year I had the pleasure of meeting an ‘Old China Hand,’ himself a Scottish Rite Mason, who, learning of my China background, asked me If I had any knowledge of an old Chinese organization similar to Masonry. I felt certain he had in mind the ‘Wootsu Society’ (Woo meaning 5, and Tsu meaning ‘Ancestor’) or, in English, ‘the Society of the Five Ancestors., “...some foreigners living in China ... were of the opinion that The Society of the Five Ancestors was the Eastern Branch of that movement which developed in Western countries into Freemasonry .... The tenets of the Wootsu Society do have much in common with those of Freemasonry. They pay homage to Buddha, whom they accept as the incarnation of a Supreme Deity they believe in immortality they teach ‘Faithfulness unto Death’; and they practice secrecy. The Society differs from Masonry in that there is no counterpart of the Volume of the Sacred Law as being an indispensable part of its Furniture; ... and it is open to both men and women.’
The Buddhist goddess, Tara, was the object of Galland’s search as she traveled the Far East. However, she was startled when she discovered that there are Hindu texts that describe Kali as Tara.” (p. 30) This discovery links Hinduism with Buddhism apparently. I wouldn’t know or care to get further into this deception, but I am sure Asiaprod could enlighten you.
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But therein lies the theology, no? Those who are not decended from Adam and Eve have no need of salvation.
Do the ‘other people’ need a Messiah, redemption? If the morality that such people claim creates abhorrence for Satan and his practices, then certainly. Of course, if not, then enjoy the ride to the ultimate deception – the choice of masters is yours alone!
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From an non-metaphorical reading of Genesis - not all people are descended from Adam and Eve.
Yes you are correct, but not the way you may think - there is confusion re Noah and the offspring of the fallen angels/seraphs, even today! A masterful deception by the master of many.
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Then, as you interpret it historically and accept that it can be read to mean that only some people are descended from Adam and Eve, you must accept that many people have not inherited original sin. How can the actions of Adam and Eve in Eden have ramified on the multitudes already living in Nod and, presumably, many other places? Of course, one can make up a reason, but from a plain (historical) reading of the text I see absolutely no reason why they would.
Clearly there were ‘other people’ of old – spiritual beings in the form of the demonic fallen angels, their offspring as well as the humans God had created living in the land of Nod and probably elsewhere:
Genesis 6:4:
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
From Adam, through Seth through to Noah, the spiritual covering against Satan’s corruption held up. The same scenario occurred with Lot in Sodom.
The ‘other people’ are Satan’s servants and their job hasn’t changed in millennia – to deceive or convince you that God doesn’t exist or is, at best, a bad thing. As for Jesus, they flee a mile in 2 seconds flat when you mention the blood of the lamb within a protective prayer because their demons that give them power are removed with much wailing to dry places.
God also stated clearly in Genesis that these demons lay with women ‘now and later’ (after the flood) and a fair percentage of our human population consists of their offspring. I have met several but also know that God accepts them as His own children when they get chosen to accept Jesus as their lord and saviour.0 -
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Jesus said that the world will become like Sodom again in the end times where all the men (‘both young and old’) demanded to have sex with the angels posing as men in Lot’s house. Not even Lot’s virgin daughters could divert them.
What about the current percentage in Britain right now?
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You go on about worship and the love of your creator god, yet not even once have you touched on the number of times this same God, or his representatives on earth, has ordered the massacre of thousands, or instigated discrimination against homosexual, who he made that way. Why did he do these things, was it because people were not worshiping him?
Asiaprod, you are, once again, confused about the role of Satan in our lives.
You are not born with homosexual tendencies as per Oprah. Homosexuality is due to being cursed. Thus, because you are cursed you will have demon infestation of that particular demon type.
Do you really think that it could be a hereditary factor or something in the water that made the entire male population of Sodom and Gomorrah homosexually inclined?
Satan introduced homosexuality because it is an aberration before God. God did not make anyone a homosexual in general terms. He does not generally make anyone ‘gay’ because this would be contrary to His design of family life. The eye of Horus above the pyramid of the US Dollar and in Egyptology is the witchcraft depiction of a spiritual anus!
I make it clear that if God one day gave me a congregation to pastor, gays would be more than welcome as contributing members of the congregation – they just have a different set of demons to most people in the congregation and their talents are equally amazing!
The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness.
- Joseph Conrad
I stated earlier that one should look to the demons on a person, not the person themselves. Of course, that person can be blamed, if they have reached the age of spiritual accountability and haven’t had themselves inoculated spiritually. What have you done about it?
Homosexuals or bisexuals should be treated like any one else. But if they want the ‘mark of God’ to receive their reward or inheritance to sit at the feet of Jesus one day, then they need to go through deliverance and become spiritually cleansed just like any person wanting to become part of the Bride of Christ.
If you have smallpox or leprosy then you have to be cured before venturing into the crowds again!
God the Father loves His children regardless of their aberrations and knows that it is the demons in them that cause the problems, not the people themselves. He provided these people with knowledge and ways to rid themselves of these deviations even if it just comes in posts like the one on deliverance I just provided. God cares. Satan doesn’t – don’t confuse the two.
I need to repeat that the Father’s attitude in the story of the Prodigal Son is the likely response anyone who turns to God, will receive. He forgives until it is enough. This is probably why we felt it was unnecessary to discuss this issue – we are not confused Asiaprod!
What the new burst of TV shows and films are doing, is to say that such practices are OK. It is OK to be a practicing homosexual. Just look how clever and amusing they are! They are just everyday guys and they earn more money than the heterosexuals.
Of course they are clever and amusing, just like normal people but with a different demonic set infesting them!
Will and Grace, Two Dads, Brokeback Mountain are all examples of ‘conditioning’ the populace. You can be just like them and it’s OK!
I have found a posting during my research that lists all the ‘famous’ people who are gay or have gay tendencies. The author says that even John Travolta chats up the young men on his movies sets. Also that Kevin Spacey who often plays the part of a family man, is a known homosexual. The list provided is quite lengthy. Could this list be true? Just how fast do you think we are heading towards the end-times with this preponderance of evidence to inform you?
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If God created us, he created some of us (I’d certainly include me) knowing that we would not turn to him.
Originally Posted by Wicknight
I’d imagine that if He exists he just hopes that we, with our free will, lead good peaceful lives, helping and caring for each other. If we do this but never mention Him again I’m sure He would be just as happy.
That is assuming He is a being of perfect goodness, not the jealous vengeful God mentioned in the Old Testement.
Would any normal dad be content if his children lived happy lives and yet ignored him? Wouldn’t any normal dad want a decent relationship with his children and to share their lives?
Have you never been hugged by your dad? Are you guys dreaming? What are you smoking? Whatever it is that is affecting your judgment, it is certainly contaminating some of your intellectual ability which is normally of high standard.
Scofflaw, my God could force you to turn to Him, just like He did to me, for which I will be eternally grateful, or just change your mind for you in an instant! I must comment, based on your postings in various forums, that you cannot equate your Catholic origins to the God of Abraham that reborn Christians worship.
It will only be too late to turn to your Father in heaven once either God or Satan takes you from this physical world. This can happen at any time, as you know full well. Again, it’s your choice but maybe you need a bit of help to escape the present situation.
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IMO, living a good life and treating others with respect is all the worship God wants from you. And seeing as neither of us will be able to prove it either way, who’s to say I’m wrong?
You clearly read the bible without understanding – some of you clearly think that Googling provides the real answers all of the time. The story of the prodigal son is one of the most important lessons in the whole Bible. This lesson is from God himself to demonstrate what would happen if you turned to Him in honesty and repentance and thereby clearly demonstrates the proper family environment that any normal dad on earth would create for his family.
Of course it can be proved; I, and several million others would tell you that you are wrong! God created the family unit and loving environment, complete with relationships - where else do you think these came from?
God wants a personal, one2one, relationship with you.
The attitudes and environments of some of the contributors to these posts are devious. Do you really think God is not omnipotent and can’t see what you’re up to?
And above all, what exactly do each of you do that makes you go out of your way for your fellow human beings?
How do you assist others with more than your statutory taxes, or gifts, or time?
Please provide verifiable examples for the locals around you to check on. Let’s have an honesty check for starters! I think Medina would make a good arbitrator for some of you, especially Wicknight!
Secondly, want to know why you are perhaps a ‘gay’ person, or dabble in the dark side or do not believe in the God of Abraham and His Son or confuse His Word? It is because you are, indeed, still part of God’s Word that will play out on the world’s stages as shown in Revelation as well as in already fulfilled prophecies!
It is indeed puzzling to me that some of you play or desire to play on the dark side, fully acknowledging the power and the results that comes from satanic/occult practices and yet not ‘believe’ in Satan or God! There is major deception in this scenario – mainly of yourselves.
You must remember that if God so chooses, He will cause all your inner secrets to be revealed to the whole world. He has already fully revealed two of the main opponents to Christianity that post regularly. I have even given prophecy to one of them who, judging by their attitude, will only remember when it comes to pass in about a year’s time. Within my various postings I have given the second person the answer to an agonising problem that confronts them.
Indeed you have been chosen, but to play on the ‘other’ side. It may be too late to change sides – God wants a one to one relationship with His children that love and acknowledge Him, but somebody has to be the bad guy.
‘acknowledge me before men and I will acknowledge you before the Father’ said Jesus. This simple statement about the choice you have made, is what all the fuss is about.
The greatest reality show on the world’s stage is building up to a climax rapidly – the plot is obvious and the conclusion inevitable! But only you can choose to be on God’s side! Complacency is not a choice!0 -
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No, MOGSA you are missing the point. From a sceptical point of view the far more likely expination is that he didn't leave the cave at all (if he in fact was in the cave to begin with), and that those who said he left the cave were either lying or mistaken.MOGSA wrote:Do you think it would be impressive if you could escape a whole bunch of armed Roman soldiers specifically out to stop you coming out the mouth of a small cave?
We see this today. Remember how everyone was sure that Nigerian refugees were getting free haircuts and large amounts of spending money and having cars bought for them. That was never true. I have met people who will tell me to my face that they have seen a Nigerian refugee being given a new BMW car by the state, in the local area which is complete nonsense because i know of the guy they are talking about. When pressed their story falls apart, they didn't actually see i'm buying the car, and they didn't actually know the black man was either nigerian or a refugee, and they didn't actually know the state paid for it. In the end it turned out that this person had just seen a black man from the local area driving a BMW car. The man was neither Nigerian (he was English) nor a refugee (he works for a bank as far as I can tell) and he isn't on social welfare, let alone the state buying him a car.
Whoops ..MOGSA wrote:Don’t try to tell me that these events did not happen.
Ever heard the phrase "your word against mine". Police don't go just on statements from victims, and it is nearly impossible to get a successful prosecution from just a statement. That is why date rape is so hard to prosecute. It is a realisation that people often either lie or are mistakem. Again, look at all the rumours and gossip that are common in todays information rich society.MOGSA wrote:The only records of a crime are often only the statements made by the victims or witnesses.
There is no physical evidence that Jesus rose from the dead, and the only accounts of this happening were recorded decades after it was suppose to have happened.
I would imagine that he had what is known as a "near death experience". I was just reading in New Scientist this month that research has suggested that these experiences are hilouciantions (sp?) and are caused by stress on the brain. They don't actually have to happen around a near death, certain types of stress on the brain can cause them to happen at other times, and research has been done into triggering these response.MOGSA wrote:After dying at the scene he met Jesus who told him of God’s plan and that He was sending this guy back to fulfill it. Despite protesting that he wanted to stay in heaven, this guy was miraculously revived and healed ‘in a room full of doctors’ - he now leads a full life, using his experience to witness to others.
Would you like to contact him to verify his story?
Now there is no way for me to actually tell this is what happened to your friend, or that he actually went up to heaven, met with Jesus, and Jesus sent him back again. But just because someone experiences something like that doesn't mean it actually was what they think it was.
You can believe these stories if you want, but just because they happen isn't proof that they are happening the way it is claimed.
As i am forever stating on the athiest forum, one should never underestimate the minds ability to trick itself.
Would the first instinct not be that the baby actually wasn't dead?MOGSA wrote:In 1996, members of our then prayer group witnessed a baby that died three days previously being revived during a service in a rural area. The black mother had taken that long to walk to the church through the bush so as to pray with the elders for the baby. That I could have such faith!0 -
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Satan uses many tricks to deceive a person. Astrology, when I was committed to it, proved to be uncannily accurate over long periods of time. So did all the other satanic diversions such as numerology and ‘codes’ that use God’s creational genius to mislead us. Look at the hoo-ha over the da Vinci codes on this Board.
The popularity of the one lie which people must believe before Antichrist can arise should reveal to all discerning Christians that the prophetic hour draws nigh. The world is speeding toward this particular prophecy: "the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration" (Rev 13:3)
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The stars and galaxies ARE NOT foot prints in sand. They are no indicator at all of any intelligent entity creating the universe.
I know that we have ostriches occurring naturally in my African environment but I thought it was too cold in Ireland for them to survive. Evidently I am wrong because one of the major tools of deception used by Satan is now said to be devoid of an intelligent design factor. I am now going to the game park a few miles down the road to see if any of the ostriches are wearing shamrock green.
Millions of Satanists and ignoramuses use the star signs daily! The great pyramid is filled with mathematical genius depicting the importance of the stars and their layouts. Ancients used the stars to plot the variation of the earth’s orbit around the sun to an accuracy of 19 decimal points over more than 20 000 years.- or at least, for more than half that time – and recorded this fact in the pyramid design. All of this, by pure accident! Wow!
Unfortunately, the position of the stars dictate numerous witchcraft ceremonies daily; from shuttle launches to major political announcements to the start of world wars, to human sacrifice. The whole entity is unbelievably intelligent thus ensuring the high status of both the Creator and the Abuser.
Astrology, for example, depicts our life and how it will play out in incredible detail if predictions are done with the correct dates and times down to the last few minutes of an event such as birth. This statement is a dig at all the people that hang their very existence on the generalisations of the daily newspaper horoscopes!
At one stage in my ‘other’ life I had the charts of my whole family done and then proceeded to evaluate them in terms of what had played out in their lives. The accuracy of the charts over a twenty year period was astounding at the time.
Satan’s slant on this appears to be that if your life looks like that depicted accurately by the charts from the time you were born to the present time, then why do you need the God of Abraham? Therefore, there is no God. Just use the charts for the rest of your life!
The only thing you are likely to experience with Satan is more ‘horror’ and less ‘scope’!
You can rely on God to take you out of your circumstances - in fact God forbids anyone to use or worship the stars because of this very fact in De:4:19:‘And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.’
Now knowing that God created a whole Sidereal Calendar Gospel, take a look at Psalms 19:1 – 6:The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Take a look at the heavens when you next have a chance. Take a look at the zillions of stars – can you make out the picture of a bull or centaur? How do you think our ancestors got the outlines of items or beasts out of the stars? God provided these to be later perverted by Satan. The scales of Libra were originally an altar for example.
Lets take this issue further Wicknight, because it looks like many of the forum members post in ignorance like yourself.
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Not sure about the church stance on Fortune Tellers but from the other side of the coin any FTers I've met have been very VERY religious (Christians).
Forget about ‘the church’ and focus in on what God has to say. Fortune tellers will only claim to be Christians, like so many others, to deceive you. Isn’t that obvious? If they deploy divination methods, then they cannot be Christians as this goes against God’s rules. Only God’s prophecies foretell the future.
If you ran into a Catholic Church in Uganda some years ago in a desperate attempt to escape murder by the soldiers hunting you down, the nuns would have slashed you to death with their machetes rather than giving you sanctuary. The church had offered some kind of sanctuary as well as food and shelter over the years with false promises and deeds – desperate, they only pretended to be Christian. Their real commitment to God came to light when they had to behave like the good Samaritan with people of a different race. We have the same problems in South Africa on a larger scale in general but I could put my life in the hands of other races within my church family without fear. What were the nuns doing with machetes inside the church in the first place?
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Swaziland is 85% christian, and a country where around 40% of the population (15-49) have AIDS and the average healthy life expectancy for males is 31 years. One can only wonder whether it's too late for Swaziland and how it might have been different if the church had preached safe sex, instead of no sex.
Say that you believe and the Catholics will provide a meal and even a bed. Say you are a Christian and the white man will give you a job over someone else. No, this isn’t Christianity, this is convenience.
The best figures come from the black Christians in southern Africa themselves. About 60% claim to be Christians and about 30% of these, at most, can claim to be anywhere near what you in Ireland would consider one to be. Of these, only 5% are born-again. Most black ‘christians’ practice ancestor worship (familial spirits as in re-incarnation) which is contrary to God’s Word.
So reworking the above figures gives you something like 5%. Why do you think up to 60% of the unmarried black women have children, sometimes from several long lost lovers? Or that aids is so prevalent? Why do you think that all those resources that benevolent people provide, drain away?
The average African male in the southern African area refuses to wear a condom (Who is the Pope?). Another factor is that many of those young girls who do not want to fall pregnant thus practice anal sex with devastating results.
All the local main hospitals have asserted that the infection rate of mothers giving birth (since about 1998) hovers around the 84% mark. Do you think we don’t give medicine to the orphans unless forced because a) we don’t want to or b) because there are so many of them that, as a country, we cant afford to do so in plain money terms?
I helped introduce an automatic needle covering to reduce the number of needle ‘stick’ deaths. This patented method turned out to be about 400% cheaper than the UK import. I spent several years researching AIDS stats including the bi-annual Zimbabwe army tests which stopped in about 1999 when it was realised that 100% of all those tested over 4 years were positive! Imagine what these guys did to the Congolese?
BTW something that Scofflaw could probably finalise better than most is the claim that the holes in a condom are 10 microns and that the AIDS virus is only 2. This is a claim made by many around here, so they don’t bother.
This is where FT (divination) gets people who participate in it! Blame the witchdoctors and therefore witchcraft. Its all about the misery factor and the part that relying on FT instead of God plays in it.
But please don’t forget the part played by the New World Order guys (I really need an abbreviation for that) to reduce the population down from 6 to 1bn. So the UK/Swaziland correlation makes sense?
Originally Posted by BrianCalgary
If you don't have sex ouside of marriage you won't contract AIDS from sex. I'm all for the don't smoke campaign.
True, Brian …. But remember in the secular world they recently did a smoking survey and found that 80% of all men who tried camels went back to women!
Sorry, I just couldn’t resist after seeing the aggressive nature of Turbot’s approach. In which of John Clease’s movies was someone attacked by another flatfish?
If you do not serve the living God of Abraham, then I have been convinced that your whole life can be forecast accurately by these systems such as astrology. But when you hit the road running with God, then He takes you into different circumstances with His plan that is just for you! Everything changes and you are no longer subject to the ‘social cages’ that such systems abused by Satan, such as astrology, tarot cards or the millionth pub around the corner, subjects you to.
Therein lays the challenge! In order to hear and understand His plan for you, you need a relationship with Him.
Who (generic) would you like to determine the path of your life? Are you afraid of the changes that God will bring about in your life or are you just plain selfish about your temporal situation?
Of course Wicknight, the whole layout of your life is quite by accident as you have stated, so you don’t have to answer these questions. Just get a qualified astrology chart for yourself and publish it for us unabridged. Don’t forget to determine the date and hour of your birth to within 20 minutes if possible.
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In one of his earlier threads, AsiaProd describes how a prayer exercise had little effect on heart problem patients.
Apart from genetic defects, over exertion, viruses and accidents causing heart problems, the major causes of heart attacks can be firmly put down to bad diet causing disease (the heart muscle becomes mal-nourished) or due to demonic attack.
You may not ‘test’ Him by trying to prove His existence by demanding a miracle using such an experiment. God does not perform for TV! In fact, this is strictly forbidden:
De:6:16:
‘Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah’.
God has a plan for each of us and if it is in His plan for that person to recover, then he or she will do so. Mainly healing only takes place when the patient themselves accept healing which is darn difficult when drugged to the hilt.
My anointed ministry is ‘healing’ and I have prayed with many afflicted people of all ages some of whom have experienced miraculous recovery, almost as if the problem never existed. Though few, my accounts are first-hand and verifiable through evidence obtained from medical experts.
Another important aspect is not to undertake God’s work (no matter what your ministry) without a firm upfront mandate from Him. This was harshly demonstrated with Aaron’s sons who brought sacrifices without prior mandate, with disastrous consequences – Leviticus 10:1,2, despite the fact that they probably thought that they were doing good!
‘And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.’
So, mindful of how God wants us to act in obedience, I will not pray for someone specifically for healing unless prompted by the Holy Spirit. Secondly God heals in His time, not ours.
This is where Benny Hinn and their ilk become exposed - God does not react to demand, He decides what and where.
So the whole prayer, placebo, exercise with the heart patients was an exercise in futility from the start. Still mindful that God uses any and every occasion to do His work, I can state that this kind of experiment is akin to Benny Hinn’s charades or almost as futile as making requests via Mary or the other man-made (Catholic) saints. God’s saints haven’t been resurrected yet and when they are, you won’t think about praying to us!
Don’t forget to bear in mind the story of Ananias when dealing with God.
Don’t test God – rather become one of His saints – qualification is easy, staying the distance is not.0 -
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