US: 3X04 - "Every Man For Himself" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF" -

Episode Title: "Every Man For Himself"
Airdate: October 25th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

The Others prevent Sawyer and Kate from escaping, leaving Sawyer perplexed by the extent of the measures taken to keep them imprisoned.

Jack is asked to use his medical training to save the life of one of the Others.

At the beach, Desmond's strange behavior attracts attention. He begins to construct a mysterious device.

Next New Episode: 3X05 - "The Cost of Living" - November 1st 2006

Dmtiling

9

One of the best lost episodes in my view. Loved the ending.

abelard

6

Was pretty good but not spectacular.

Sawyer backstory was vaguely entertaining on its own as usual, just to see how he twists the situation to come out the victor (I think there might be more to this particular story and he probably double crossed the warden somehow too). Didn't think it had all that much relevance though, the whole theme of the episode from his point of view was doubt and uncertainty, but I didn't really think that featured for him in his backstory.

Sawyer and Kate's relationship was interesting, she said she loved him, then said she was lying etc etc. I think she's trying to convince herself she doesn't but she is really starting to fall in love with him. She could have made a break for it when he was still locked up but didn't. Was also interesting to note their different philosophies; "every man for himself" and "live together, die alone".

Jack and Juliet are slowly becoming closer too. Jack's "who's in control" speech when she was with him in his cell was very reminiscent of Ben playing on Locke last season. But it's clear they're starting to build trust in one another. I wonder who it is that has the spinal tumor? Only people that would seem to fit the age would be Mr. Friendly or Ben. It'll be interesting to see if Jack has to and/or will operate on one of the others and if he'll do it right. Another interesting point was that juliet is a fertility doctor. There's been talks of selective breeding lately, which I've pretty much ignored as rubbish until now, but you never know.

Desmonds strange powers seem to have appeared again. This will hopefuly be a very interesting thread going forward. No sign of Locke which was a little disappointing, and Hurley, Paolo, Claire and Charlie only appeared to support Desmond's story. Next week hopefuly will see the return of Sayid, Jin and Sun and the formation of a rescue party.

The ending was pretty good, I never thought for a second they were on another island. I wonder is it not a bit impractical for them to be living on the main island, as their village seemed to be there, and working out on the "alcatraz island". Meh.

Anyway on the whole a pleasant way to spend 40 minutes though not one of the more memorable episodes in the long run; 7/10

monkeyfudge

6

abelard wrote:

The ending was pretty good, I never thought for a second they were on another island. I wonder is it not a bit impractical for them to be living on the main island, as their village seemed to be there, and working out on the "alcatraz island". Meh.

The village was completely faked... Actually speaking of the village, how come we haven't seen Ms. Klugh since then?

Also.. did Ben mention that they have a submarine? When he came in to speak to Juliet he said the sub had come back.

But another good solid episode overall.

abelard

6

monkeyfudge wrote:

The village was completely faked...

I meant the village we saw at the start of this series with the nice houses and stuff, not the one with the cruddy tents.

edit; Was actually wondering about ms. klugh myself. Forgot to put her in my original post

Faith

6

I assume it's Ben who has the spinal tumour. They're working so hard to get Jack's trust, it must be for a reason. Also, Ben's quote from "Of Mice and Men" at the end implied that it was him, all that stuff about men getting lonely, and that leading to them getting sick.

It was an entertaining enough episode, I gave it a 7. I'm not sure about this whole two islands thing, though.

lynchie

4

The whole 2 island things threw me a little.. Are they (sawyer, jack and kate) on a different island to the locke and the rest of them? If so, how did they get there?

Nearly sure I heard Ben saying the sub is back too..

Not a bad episode, Roll on next week.

lynchie

5

lynchie wrote:

The whole 2 island things threw me a little.. Are they (sawyer, jack and kate) on a different island to the locke and the rest of them? If so, how did they get there?

Nearly sure I heard Ben saying the sub is back too..

Not a bad episode, Roll on next week.

I would presume they got there on the sub ...

Anyways, when Benry was taking Sawyer up the hills, I was really expecting there to be a UFO crash landed somewhere.

tvnutz

6

Not too bad,but still not really going anywhere.

Ok,there is another island,which is interesting but at the same time a bit bizarre. The two islands seem so close,yet no one on the "main" island has ever seen the 2nd island. Maybe they are on the opposite side of the island and the terrain is too rough to be able to get there to see the 2nd island.

So juliett is a fertility doctor...interesting.

Sawyer has a daughter,also interesting.

And who has the tumor? Is it Ben? Or would that me too much of anti climax? In my opinion it would be much better if it turned out to be someone bigger.Surely Ben isn't the main man behind everything?

And ye it seems they have a sub,explains how they got on Desmond's boat in the 2nd episode without Sayid or Jin seeing them.

Also Desmond can really see the future it seems. The lightening would have hit Claire's tent had he not made the gold club pole. Interesting

7/10

anotherlostie

8

I loved this episode. There was great humour, like Sawyer's pulse increasing when he was Kate's bare back, and him lying over his age (maybe an in-joke, as he could have been 32 when they started filming the pilot). And moments of tension like Sawyer and the heart needle, and Ben shaking the rabbit manically (I was like, WTF?). Jack and Juliet are getting closer. I imagine it has to be Ben who has the tumour, especially given the comment at the end of the show.

The back stories are definitely much more concise this year, which is much better since it allows a lot more focus on the current experiences of the Losties. And with them split all over the place now, that is probably the best thing. Madison's cameo was unexpected, so I presume that we will see her again some time later in the series.

Pity we didn't see Locke and Eko observing Desmond's obvious powers of premonition. Hope he has a backstory soon that also explains where these powers came from (remember his first appearance and the subsequent remarkable recovery of Sarah from her RTA).

I think Pickett will become a thorn in the side of the Others, as he is clearly going to spin out of control. A fight between him and Jin might be interesting to sort out Sun killing his wife. If I was the actor playing Jin, I'd be starting to think about another acting role!

The two islands thing. Funny that Rousseau never mentioned it - in her 16 years on the island, she hasn't really mapped it out well for an explorer, has she. But it does explain why Ben was so stressed when he heard that Sayid & co. had a boat.

Great episode, flew by, but the end was a bit of an anti-climax. The conman has been conned and has been broken.

DVD-Lots

7

could locke have the tumor? would a tumor on the spine affect somebody's mobility? And now he's on the island it is receding? If they had a case file on Jack surely they could have x-rays of locke? just a thought....

Anima

5

Was alright.

I was a bit surprised to hear about the sub at first but sure if theres an underwater station then surely they'd need a sub to get to it?

6/10, being generous

Dmtiling

9

Maybe the two islands are connect through the underwater station. Just a thought?

ixoy

8

Much better than last week. Primarily this is because I Heart Sawyer - he was great fun here too. Even made a backstory half interesting, which is a pretty big accomplishment.

As to the second island - interesting and it explains why they never found the Other's proper village. I'm assuming there's some forcefield, or such, around the original island which blocks view of Island #2 (hence the reason Michael had to go out at a precise co-ordinate to exit the field).

And Henry must have the tumour...

Basq

7

Best of the season so far - plenty of good humour and loved the revelation from Henry at the end.

In my opinion, stay away from Gaius.. i mean Desmond.. and the rest of them over on yonder island and stay with Ben, Jack, Freckles (awwwwww... her dress got taken away! GUTTED! ) and Sawyer.

Enjoyed Sawyer's backstory.. knew what was coming in a way but enjoyed how it tied into him getting released.

And as for Ben's tumour... i swear if they kill off Michael Emerson anytime soon, there'll be some serious ass-kickings!

Anyways.. definite 8 / 10 as it had the humour, decent revelation and interesting backstory which were all lacking in the previous 3 episodes so far.

Spider_Baby!

7

Hey Basquille, you know the two guys who were with the warden when Sawyer was told he was free....was one of those guys in Prison Break? Thought he looked like Kellermans partner from the first series!

Goodshape

6

Not bad at all, a solid 7.

cooker3

I enjoyed it, solid episode.

Sawyer's backstory was solid as always, a few revelations and some nice humour. I really liked scene when Kate was changing her clothes and Sawyer pulse rate monitor just kept going up, had me laughing.

Interesting revelation with 2nd island, do wonder how Sayed missed it when travelling around, it's so close surely someone would have seen it.

It's interesting quite how small the main camp is now, only desmond, claire, charlie, hurley, eko and locke left as main characters, they could do with giving them something to do.

I'd give it 7 out of 10, enjoyable

valor

Sawyer is great

Basq

7

Spider_Baby! wrote:

Hey Basquille, you know the two guys who were with the warden when Sawyer was told he was free....was one of those guys in Prison Break? Thought he looked like Kellermans partner from the first series!

Danny Hale? Don't think so!

Hyzepher

I think they missed the other island because it's at the far side and no one has really gone that far Also even if they did see it they would probably ignore it as just a smaller island.

It does open up the question as it how the bears got on the other island. Also if the smaller island is some sort of zoo/testing facility - and we know sharks were studied there - then it might be feasible that there is a controlled environment between the two islands i.e. underwater fensed off area.

It does look like the raft from series one was heading for the small island - in the dark - and that's how they were spotted so easily by the Others.

Now that Sawyer knows that he isn't at risk and Kate knows that she can get out - I would imagine that Sawyer will plan a take over, after all there doesn't seem to be many of them that are armed.

Hyzepher

abelard

6

Interesting point made that it could be Locke with the tumor....it would certainly fit in the age range.

One thing that I thought the underwater hatch would explain was the meaning of the wire running out into the water, but that still remains a mystery....

I thought the ending was a bit of an anti climax too. Since we were told season 3 would focus on the history of the island and those who were about before the dharma initiative, i have to say I thought Ben would show Sawyer some sort of ancient ruins or something akin to the giant foot statue. Silly me

Mr E

7

Is it my imagination, or have the numbers completely vanished from the show? I haven't spotted them anywhere (even in flashbacks).

DeadParrot

well the bunny was painted with an 8

ElNino

Hyzepher wrote:

Now that Sawyer knows that he isn't at risk and Kate knows that she can get out - I would imagine that Sawyer will plan a take over, after all there doesn't seem to be many of them that are armed.

Hyzepher

Don't forget that Ben saw Kate escape on the monitor and he knows that Sawyer will be itching to try and escape again.

Hyzepher

I suppose it's interesting that the island hasn't cured whoever (Ben?) it is that has the tumor. Unless of course that it is a sign that the island really has no powers and it is us the viewer that is assuming that people have been cured.

I remember back to the episode where Claire was taken by Ethan and we saw an operating room etc. One thing that bothered me about that whole storyline was the fact that when Kate/Clare etc found that "Hatch" it seemed to have been abandoned for a while. It also seemed to be quite close to where the survivors were based - surely they would have brought her back to the other island instead of risking been detected by a following Jack/Sawyer/Locke etc. Unless her memories were planted and they wanted everyone to think she was there.

Another thing that struck me recently was how humane the Others SEEM to be. They don't really kill for no reason. However, if we remember back to when Ethan was demanding Clare, he seemed to Kill Steve? just for the sake of it - seems out of character.

I hope we find out in the next 2 episodes what has happened to all the people that the Others have taken - there are quite a few now - including the children. No sign of them on either of the islands.

Faith

6

abelard wrote:

Interesting point made that it could be Locke with the tumor....it would certainly fit in the age range.

Locke was born in 1946, making him 58 in Lost time, and therefore too old.

Hyzepher wrote:

It does open up the question as it how the bears got on the other island.

Polar bears can swim.

monomaniac

Hyzepher wrote:

Another thing that struck me recently was how humane the Others SEEM to be. They don't really kill for no reason. However, if we remember back to when Ethan was demanding Clare, he seemed to Kill Steve? just for the sake of it - seems out of character.

Yes!! This has been bothering me for a while as well. But then again when Ben and the others say they're not killers then why was Charlie left for dead hanging by his neck and Steve/Scott so brutally murdered. Why did Goodwin kill Nathan?
Maybe they just want the losties to think they're not killers as part of their "con".

At least we know how Ethan came from the water. In this ep Ben said to Juliet that the sub was back.

One of the most interesting parts of the ep was when Tom (Mr Friendly/Zeke) said that ever since the sky turned purple two days ago they were blind and all their comms were down and he can't get them back up. Communicarion with where? The outside world? Other hatches?
Obviously not each other (or the main island) as they got reports on Sayid's activities at the fake hatch in the second episode.
Also this suggests that at least Tom is unaware of what actually caused the sky to turn purple. Join the club Tom!!

Though I reckon Ben knows more than he's letting on and may be keeping information from his people. He certainly seemed to have some sort of agenda with Locke and the button before he escaped.

kaimera

8

Yes yes yes.

Best ep thus far.

Gritty and whatnot, loved it.

average episode ...another "feels like its just dragging things out" kind of episode.....its still heading nowhere.

Also the Desmond "knowledge of the future" stuff is pure crap

Cina

The guy Sawyer conned, his wife during the visitings, was that Ellen from BSG? I'm 90% sure that it was.

I'd give the episode a 7.5 I suppose. Probably the best of the season so far .. but still not up to standards!

Basq

7

Cina wrote:

The guy Sawyer conned, his wife during the visitings, was that Ellen from BSG? I'm 90% sure that it was.

She's not credited for it anyways!

See here!

Cina

Probably cause it's a tiny role. Rewatch it, it's her.

Ideo

The others possibly xrayed sawyer jack and kate when they brought them to the island and its sawyer that has the tumor? they others did say they needed sawyer...was the injection something to do with the tumour?

Cina

I doubt that. It was probably already clear before they took Jack that they captured him in order to fix a tumor, i think the episode clarified that. Sawyer will play a different role probably

OFDM

7

The second island - is Sawyer really on a different island to which they crashed on or is Ben lying and what they see is another island?

What if the second island is actually a reflection of the island that they're on? What is it reflecting off?


Loved seeing Kate half naked. Loved Jack playing Juliette like Ben did with Locke.

monkeyfudge

6

Since we're talking about Ethan again... I read the other day that the guy who plays him is actually Tom Cruise's cousin... imagine that?

duridian

Spider_Baby! wrote:

Hey Basquille, you know the two guys who were with the warden when Sawyer was told he was free....was one of those guys in Prison Break? Thought he looked like Kellermans partner from the first series!

Don't know about the guys with the warden, but the warden himself was in Battlestar Galactica. He played the gangster's leader in Battlestar Galactica episode Black Market.

duridian

monkeyfudge wrote:

Since we're talking about Ethan again... I read the other day that the guy who plays him is actually Tom Cruise's cousin... imagine that?

Hollywood is very into nepotism, although it usually tends to be offspring that follow to fame rather than cousins.

monomaniac

monkeyfudge wrote:

Since we're talking about Ethan again... I read the other day that the guy who plays him is actually Tom Cruise's cousin... imagine that?

Yep William Mapother. Tom Cruise's real name is Mapother. Couch- bouncing freak!

MarkR

Good ep, ben really beat seven shades out of sawyer. Didn't think he had it in him.

Desmonds premonitions are a bit of a weird one. In books / films anyone with foresight is doomed to not being believed, and being unable to change things. Doesn't seem to be affecting Des though!

OFDM

7

MarkR wrote:

Good ep, ben really beat seven shades out of sawyer. Didn't think he had it in him.

Desmonds premonitions are a bit of a weird one. In books / films anyone with foresight is doomed to not being believed, and being unable to change things. Doesn't seem to be affecting Des though!

He seems to be testing his own premonitions. He didn't tell Clare that her roof would be hit by lightening - instead he builds a lightening conductor to draw it away, thus safely testing whether his premonitions is true without having to reveal to everyone else that he's having them.

monomaniac

Yep - I'm convinced this is all building up to a "time is wonky" on the island cliffhanger at the end of episode 6.

The writers have already said
that the mini-series will end with a shocking cliff hanger that will dramatically change the show and potentially "jump the shark".

In interviews and the recent podcasts they have hinted that time may be moving at a different speed on the outside world.
How this will be explained I don't know but I reckon it will involve the Swan.

This could also be used to explain Desmond's premonitions. i don't know how else they can realistically explain his new ability. Remember they said that the show would never go beyond psuedo-science.

godtabh

Saw the second island thing coming a mile away (posted it in the pre air thread).

All in all thought it was the best so far season.

Roll on next week

Unpossible

5

What if the second island is actually a reflection of the island that they're on? What is it reflecting off?

Interesting, maybe said reflection is only visible from a certain angle (and not at sea level), as to what, it looks like there is some kind of shield around the island that (didnt it mess with the rafts compass?)

Bacchus

5

Okay, decent episode but once again, more questions, no answers and the questions of past episodes (and seasons) are seemingly being ignored and swept under the carpet in the hope some noone will notice and some Internet fan will make up some theory that all the other fans will gobble up as fact.
I was a big fan of Season 1, season 2 had it's hiccups but was largely entertaining, suspensfull and engaging. By now though I'm getting bored. Wow, another island. We still don't know a thing about the first one! The only positives from this episode are that Jack's storyline seems to be moving on and hopefully we can expect him to get some answers. Also, I really liked the pacemaker thing with Sawyer. It's one of those "oh, fcuk I'd hate to be him" situations.
Anyway, decent episode but LOST needs to start giving up some answers and more importantly find it's direction again (at the moment it's all over the place) or I'll quickly lose interest.

Bacchus

5

Unpossible wrote:

Interesting, maybe said reflection is only visible from a certain angle (and not at sea level), as to what, it looks like there is some kind of shield around the island that (didnt it mess with the rafts compass?)

Actually, this is a perfect example of what's wrong with the show. While the little mysteries and strange happenings were fun to dissect at first, the show is just burying itself deeper and deeper in mystery to the point where it's fans are coming up with obsurd stuff like that (and the worst part is, there could be some sort of shield around the island. Who knows!).

Unpossible

5

fans are coming up with obsurd stuff like that

#hangs head #
sniff, I... I just wanted to believe, sure deep down I knew....I just want it to be... believable again.

I was a big fan of Season 1,

I just liked the idea of people trying to survive on an island, it got more complicated when the others were introduced with the hatch. Sure they made it more interesting for a while but now its frustrating like you said, and the writers seem to keep forgetting old stuff.

Haven't a Clue

7

I really enjoyed this eppy.

Sawyer's backstory was a bit meh, granted. But the rest of it was cool.

Ben's class. He really has rejuvinated lost all by himself. And him having the tumor's interesting too. Jack'll surely have to operate on him, or else he's in for a world of pain...

Takeshi_Kovacs

Good episode, and Sawyers back story was best so far this season. I doubt it if he conned the warden though. he'd hardly be left on a plane to Oz if he had..

On the second island thing, and Ben telling Sawyer that there is no escape from them, the others.. (unless he fancies himself as long distance, shark fightin' fella..), i still don't think that they (jack, sawyer, kate and the others) are on a different island to the losties.
Take for example the bears... the cages that sawyer and kate originally contained the bears, and the losties have encountered them a few times. Now i know polar bears can swim, but what need would they have to swim to another island, when there is so much boar, e.t.c running through the forest on their own island.

At the start of 3x01, we see that the others are definitely on the same island as the losties, as Ben instructed the two fellas to run to both crash sites...
The hatch diagram that Locke saw.. looked like it contained all the stations and surely, the one that jack is in, was on that map.. (and Locke will find them...)

Also when Sayid, Jin and Soon were sailing around, they didn't notice any other islands, so obviously they didn't fully circumnavigate the island,( and why Ben so badly wanted the boat, so as to stop them from seeing these other islands...)
The band of others led by Trixie, who were ordered by Ben to steal the boat, were at the same compound as Jack etc. Sayid made no mention of discovering other Islands,he was still merely following his own Islands coast yet the others still saw their boat and obviously boarded it from ashore..
Also Ben probaly wanted it so much as well because Walt and 'they took my BOY' Mike went sailing off into the sunset with their only boat..

The only other reasoning i could see is that there is maybe, rival factions on the different Islands.., but lets not go there as that would further sailing into the murky depths of LOST.... and so on and so forth...

Old_-_School

In one of the episodes of the first season, didn't some of the losties get to the top of a hill, from which they were able to see the ocean on all sides and there was no sign of another island?