Why don't Tribeca improve ?

Mr. Flibble

I'm sure the same can be asked for alot of card rooms, but I only play on Tribeca. Why don't they improve the game options. Why no heads up cash tables? Why no low stakes 6 max tables? It can't be due to cost of implememntation can it, surely its nearly trivial to make these changes. Are there marketing reasons not to offer these? I can't think of any.

What they should really do is have a customisable table, where the first player to sit at chooses the game(s, for round of each), max players, blinds and cap (between a reasonable max and min).

DeadParrot

resizable tables would be an almighty plus

1000th post boss well done

Mr. Flibble

DeadParrot wrote:

resizable tables would be an almighty plus

1000th post boss well done

Cheers, slow and steady

And why, a year later is the underraise problem not fixed on Omaha8 tables!

dvdfan

I agree, the tournament structure sucks too. It would be great to have a proper tourney where your not forced into all in tactics within 20-30mins and i really like the tribeca skin.

But they'll eventually lose my business when i find a site that has good structures and prizes for cash games, STT & MTT's

Mr. Flibble

That would be nice, but I can at least see why the would prefer quicker tourneys for more rake. At least there's logic there even if it sucks for the good player.

peeko

just withdraw all your money and stick it with stars or fulltilt.

tribeca is so bad for so many reasons. sorry mike

willis

Why would they change things when the number of active players on the site is ever-growing, there are more tables/tournies on tribeca than ever

Also, the 8min blinds are great for them for rake reasons

Mr. Flibble

willis wrote:

Why would they change things when the number of active players on the site is ever-growing, there are more tables/tournies on tribeca than ever

I don't see how having heads up tables, properly implemented rules and felxible tables would slow down their growth. I do see how it might increase it. But maybe there are reasons for it that I don't know about. Are changes hard to implement as hundreds of skins have to change their websites to add the new software? Did the head of security die and they can't trust anyone to fiddle with the code? I dunno.

peeko

Whats the average amount of players each night?

Full Tilt has steadily rose from 10k to 25k over the last couple of months.

EDIT: I haven't been keeping that close an eye on it, but from the odd time I look it looks this way

PS: New Firefox is amazing

Mr. Flibble

peeko wrote:

Whats the average amount of players each night?

Full Tilt has steadily rose from 10k to 25k over the last couple of months.

EDIT: I haven't been keeping that close an eye on it, but from the odd time I look it looks this way

PS: New Firefox is amazing

Nothing like that. As far as I remember peak times had 4k about 3 years ago, and 8k a year ago. Now about 10.5k.

peeko

I'll refer you back to my first post so

eggie

Tournament blind levels are fierce, even for the higher buy ins, becomes an absolute race. Only started playing there recently, not sure if i'll remain to be honest.

bohsman

dvdfan wrote:

I agree, the tournament structure sucks too. It would be great to have a proper tourney where your not forced into all in tactics within 20-30mins and i really like the tribeca skin.

But they'll eventually lose my business when i find a site that has good structures and prizes for cash games, STT & MTT's

pokerstars.. I play my cash games on tribeca as theyre soft and Im giving DeV and Mike business but play 99% of my tournaments on stars.

Ste05

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I'm sure the same can be asked for alot of card rooms, but I only play on Tribeca. Why don't they improve the game options.

Why would they bother when no-one ever seems to leave them, I find people either play exclusively on Tribeca or avoid it like the plague. Why don't you try somewhere else??

5starpool

Ste05 wrote:

I find people either play exclusively on Tribeca or avoid it like the plague.

Option B please.

Mr. Flibble

Ste05 wrote:

Why would they bother when no-one ever seems to leave them, I find people either play exclusively on Tribeca or avoid it like the plague. Why don't you try somewhere else??

I really should! I tried party once and got stacked on hand 2 and never went back. Now that I think I've run out of tribeca rooms to get bonuses from it would be a good time to move. Change is scary.

ocallagh

I quite like the MTTs on tribeca, not pretty poker but they are profitable. It's not hard to get chips together in the rebuy stages, and most peole cant play short stacked poker.

Also, the large buy in MTTs ($99 rebuy & $200 FO) attract the worst players out there. There is some huge value in these two alone.

If I wanted a good tournament and a great structure along with a higher standard of play, I would move to stars.

Shortstack

There are many reasons why Tribeca dont change. Average peak players is around 12,500 at the moment, will significantly increase when Tain Network joins.

One of the reasons is that the players who frequent the network actually like the structures. There some better structured tournaments (20 & 30 min blinds) on our skin with overlays even. Funny thing is, even with an overlay they are not as popular as the 'crapshoots'. Apart from the 20k & 50k the biggest fields will be found in the speed tournaments with 3 min blinds.

If you are looking for soft cash games it is the place play, although I do play on full tilt and that is nearly as bad as far as fish go.

I am sure I have posted this before but the reason a lot of online pro's stay with Tribeca is because of the constant stream of new players who come from gambling sites such as Paddy Power/ Bluesq / Victor Chandler & Bowmans, not to mention players from other well known pools of poker talent such as The Racing post, FHM, The Daily Star, Celtic etc.

As a lot of our players come from Boards I expect we are one of the few skins whose players have net winning days as a whole more often than not.

Game options will increase over time. At last the extended payouts are being tested and will be operational soon. Not sure about HU tables, I will find out.

Mr. Flibble

Shortstack wrote:

There are many reasons why Tribeca dont change. Average peak players is around 12,500 at the moment, will significantly increase when Tain Network joins.

One of the reasons is that the players who frequent the network actually like the structures. There some better structured tournaments (20 & 30 min blinds) on our skin with overlays even. Funny thing is, even with an overlay they are not as popular as the 'crapshoots'. Apart from the 20k & 50k the biggest fields will be found in the speed tournaments with 3 min blinds.

If you are looking for soft cash games it is the place play, although I do play on full tilt and that is nearly as bad as far as fish go.

I am sure I have posted this before but the reason a lot of online pro's stay with Tribeca is because of the constant stream of new players who come from gambling sites such as Paddy Power/ Bluesq / Victor Chandler & Bowmans, not to mention players from other well known pools of poker talent such as The Racing post, FHM, The Daily Star, Celtic etc.

As a lot of our players come from Boards I expect we are one of the few skins whose players have net winning days as a whole more often than not.

Game options will increase over time. At last the extended payouts are being tested and will be operational soon. Not sure about HU tables, I will find out.

Do you think you could ask them to fix the underraise rule? They didn't reply to my last email.

hotspur

Heads up tables are bad for profitablility of sites because players get cleaned out. Generally the more players at a table the more likely it is that the money will be passed around generating rake as it goes.

Tribeca may be growing with new skins but it's still only about the 10th largest site/network for cash game traffic.

Mr. Flibble

hotspur wrote:

Heads up tables are bad for profitablility of sites because players get cleaned out. Generally the more players at a table the more likely it is that the money will be passed around generating rake as it goes.

Tribeca may be growing with new skins but it's still only about the 10th largest site/network for cash game traffic.

Wel that makes sense

peeko

Shortstack wrote:

If you are looking for soft cash games it is the place play, although I do play on full tilt and that is nearly as bad as far as fish go.

I will give Green Joker Poker a go next then mike!

dingle

Mike,

Do you have any visibility on the next Tribeca software update is going to occur? I have heard that a fix to allow Pokertracker to work with Tribeca STT and MTTs will be included and it's something that I really want and need.I'd appreciate it if you could give an answer.

ianmc38

I hate the Tribeca MTTs. That said, there are very few good MTT players on the site. I've had loads of wins/final tables in those speed rebuy tourneys as the standard is abysmal.

Cash games are also the best on the net.

I'm told Full Tilt has gotten much softer as a result of all the WSOP coverage.

PPP-Pit Boss

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Why no heads up cash tables?

Hi Fibble. I can try to answer some questions. Heads up cash tables are a haven for fraudsters and they are also a hot-spot for sharks to clean out the fish we try to compensate for the gap and lesson the risk with STT 1x1 at all levels.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Why no low stakes 6 max tables? It can't be due to cost of implememntation can it, surely its nearly trivial to make these changes. Are there marketing reasons not to offer these? I can't think of any.

We offer 6 seat respawning STT tables from level 0.10 cent entry through all levels up to $1,000 did I misunderstand the question?

Mr. Flibble wrote:

What they should really do is have a customisable table, where the first player to sit at chooses the game(s, for round of each), max players, blinds and cap (between a reasonable max and min).

Definitely the more customizable the better. This is on the developement "scheudule" but as you can understand it is a massive amount of work so I could not give you an intended release date on it.

PPP-Pit Boss

dingle wrote:

Mike,

Do you have any visibility on the next Tribeca software update is going to occur? I have heard that a fix to allow Pokertracker to work with Tribeca STT and MTTs will be included and it's something that I really want and need.I'd appreciate it if you could give an answer.

Hi dingle the next release is in test phase currently due for release within the next eight weeks (once it passes QA) part of the release is third party poker tool integration.

dingle

Thanks for the answer PPP-Boss. Looking forward to being able to use PokerTracker.

TacT

I can't get enough of the soft cash game tables personally, I've been around plenty other places but keep coming back as that's what I play 95% of the time. I have one exclusive and highly irritating problem with the tribeca network. The cashier has some sort of evil curse, it goes up and down like a yoyo. Two consecutive days in a row and I have been unable to take funds to the table. Finally, I do manage to get funds to the table, then they are dissapearing from my balance shortly thereafter when I leave :eek:
Anywhere from 4-12hrs at a time only to magically re-appear at a later stage. Today was a new fun experience altogether. I sit down at the table and buy in for the full amount but it says I have $0 in front of me. I leave the table and see that buyin has dissapeared from my balance.

For the love of something fix it already, PLEASE!

Mr. Flibble

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Hi Fibble. I can try to answer some questions. Heads up cash tables are a haven for fraudsters and they are also a hot-spot for sharks to clean out the fish we try to compensate for the gap and lesson the risk with STT 1x1 at all levels.

We offer 6 seat respawning STT tables from level 0.10 cent entry through all levels up to $1,000 did I misunderstand the question?

Well, the second reason for not having heads up tables is exactly why I want them, but both are fair enough reasons.

There are no 6max tables at the 25/50 (I think 50/1 too) level Omaha HiLo tables. There are at the 1/2 level. - ring game tables, not STT.


Also, could you have a word to them about the under raise rule which is wrongly enforced in the Omaha8 games. I can forward you a recent handhistory if you like where the problem occured.

FastMachine

Hey PPP-Pit Boss can you see about upping the simultaneous table limit to, say 8. That way people who play more than four at once could play them all at Tribeca rather having, for example, four Party Poker tables on the go at the same time. I was told by a manager it was being looked at for the next update, so if you could put in a word it would be great. Even without the upcoming merge with the Tain network Tribeca could easily provide the volume of players to support 8 tabling, imo, as it's tripled in size since I've started playing.

mewso

If hand history formats are changing I would assume you can request your full history from day 1? Perhaps you can already I didn't check. (by the way archive history should be enabled by default).
Also just as an IT person someone out there really needs to bring up the idea of standardising the hand history format. I really believe an agreed xml format among all sites would be a godsend. The html format on tribecca is a nightmare for developing a parser for a third party tool mainly because you need to cater for both the html and the text a browser will display. Someone probably thought they were being clever making them html but they were wrong.

Mr. Flibble

IEEE for poker!!! Bring it on.

Duff Man Jr.

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Hi Fibble. I can try to answer some questions. Heads up cash tables are a haven for fraudsters and they are also a hot-spot for sharks to clean out the fish we try to compensate for the gap and lesson the risk with STT 1x1 at all levels.

A high ranking PPP management type basically just said they dont want the fish to lose, I'm not one to jump to conclusions but .......................

Mr. Flibble

Duff Man Jr. wrote:

A high ranking PPP management type basically just said they dont want the fish to lose, I'm not one to jump to conclusions but .......................

I heard employees aren't allowed play on the site

White Knight

more fish = greater possibility of rake ... whats so fishy about that

cardshark202

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Hi Fibble. I can try to answer some questions. Heads up cash tables are a haven for fraudsters and they are also a hot-spot for sharks to clean out the fish we try to compensate for the gap and lesson the risk with STT 1x1 at all levels.

We offer 6 seat respawning STT tables from level 0.10 cent entry through all levels up to $1,000 did I misunderstand the question?


Definitely the more customizable the better. This is on the developement "scheudule" but as you can understand it is a massive amount of work so I could not give you an intended release date on it.

I don't know what it is but I find any time you come on here to answer questions you seem to give less than satisfactory answers, but this is just my opinion.
Heads up STTs are nothing like heads up cash games and there is no way you can use them as a go between.
I would also like the max buyin standardized to at least 100 BBs across all levels.

peeko

plus you made a load of promises last time you didn't keep

Mr. Flibble

I think we should be directing our problems with Tribeca to someone who works for Tribeca. I'm not sure on PPP Pit Boss' relation to Tribeca but it seems he runs the PPP cage and doesn't have any other affiliation with Tribeca - He can only pass on suggestions, which Tribeca will enforce if they see fit. Is this right PPPPB?

luckylucky

cardshark202 wrote:

I don't know what it is but I find any time you come on here to answer questions you seem to give less than satisfactory answers, but this is just my opinion.
Heads up STTs are nothing like heads up cash games and there is no way you can use them as a go between.
I would also like the max buyin standardized to at least 100 BBs across all levels.

I have a feeling, could be wrong but that ppp-boss might have meant that a bot could play heads up much easier than any other format.

Scotty #

cardshark202 wrote:

I would also like the max buyin standardized to at least 100 BBs across all levels.

I would like to see the minimum buy in increased. For instance at .5/$1 the min buy in is $10 [Max $100] I'd like to see this increased to at least $40.

Also...and its been brought up before.... When in the later stages of an MTT the RAISE amount in the box does NOT reset to the minimum each hand. This is extremely annoying and sometimes costly. The other night in an MTT I tried to raise and pressed the Raise button several times but nothing happened. I ended up having to call. When the river came and it was my turn I wanted to raise again and it wouldn't. Then I noticed there was no amount in the raise box!!! I got my raise but lost the hand. He had caught a straight on the river.

Re-sizable tables!!!!

Table info in the lobby needs to refresh faster.

Sort out the cashier problems once and for all.

Increase the Buddy list capacity.

$25,000 worth of rake for an Xbox is taking the piss. And suggesting its "less than cost" is a joke.

Only 27 paid in............ why am I wasting my time at this???

Scotty #

luckylucky wrote:

I have a feeling, could be wrong but that ppp-boss might have meant that a bot could play heads up much easier than any other format.

I'm fairly sure she is refereing to chip dumping for the purpose of money laundering.

RoundTower

I assumed she meant credit card theft, chip dumping, etc, which is a great catch all reason to rule out implementing whatever feature Tribeca don't think would help their bottom line.

peeko

In fairness you right Flibble, but it's not nice when someone comes in here and says that they are going to do X and they are going to do Y. And it simply does not happen.

Looks like this has been happening from the get go from previous posts :rolleyes:

Lazare

How about introducing scalps tourneys?
I'm a serial bubble buster, might ease the pain a little!

cooker3

I honestly don't understand why anyone would play on tribecca.
It's awful imo.
There are so many other better sites and networks out there

TacT

White Knight wrote:

more fish = greater possibility of rake ... whats so fishy about that

A high stakes long term winner will be generating more rake for the network over a longer period of time than some fish that comes on, drops a few buyins and goes busto.

cooker3, it's quite simple, the cash tables are so soft that it attracts anyone that can play cash games profitably.

PPP-Pit Boss

FastMachine wrote:

Hey PPP-Pit Boss can you see about upping the simultaneous table limit to, say 8.

8 Tabling :eek: I can barely drink tea and fold and the same time. But hey If I was to hazard a guess I would say load would be a factor here however capacity is what we are extending at the moment so I do not see why this restriction on table max needs to be maintained. I shall submit it and see what the score it.

PPP-Pit Boss

musician wrote:

If hand history formats

Definitely significant room for improvement there I would agree.

PPP-Pit Boss

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I heard employees aren't allowed play on the site

LOL So therefore the sentiment is ENTIRELY altruistic :rolleyes:

PPP-Pit Boss

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I think we should be directing our problems with Tribeca to someone who works for Tribeca. I'm not sure on PPP Pit Boss' relation to Tribeca but it seems he runs the PPP cage and doesn't have any other affiliation with Tribeca - He can only pass on suggestions, which Tribeca will enforce if they see fit. Is this right PPPPB?

Pretty much Fibble We manage a cage that utilises the softare and we have a directed input along with the rest of the cages to influence and direct and suggest future changes in the software. However all technical developement work is handled and priortitised by TT.

ianmc38

FatsMachine can you not open the client again as another user on your pc to play more than 4 tables?