Reserve Traffic Corps

Drax

This is a quote from a recent post.

Flying wrote:

I personally cannot wait to get on the ground why my garda reserve training is complete as I would take much pleasure arresting and having a zero tolerance policy against all especially non-southern irish drivers who should respect our laws on the road instead of breaking them !

[http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055007210]

This has me thinking. Firstly, What powers exactly will the Garda Reserve have in regards to traffic? Where and how exactly are the Garda Reserve going to draw the line between upholding the law and taking things personally. What happens if a reserve member has a problem with a car driving at 130km/h on a motorway, who technically he is breaking the law, but as we all know most cars have been know to exceed the speed limit on motorways on certain occasions. Common sense may not prevail.

Now maybe I should take this comment with a pinch of salt by this is going to be some craic when these boys come on board! :rolleyes:

ballooba

In fairness the Garda Reserve are unlikely to be let into a squad car never mind onto a motorway.

Regardless, if the situation ever arose the real garda would be in charge so the reservist would be told to pipe down.

Bam Bam

Expect to see Garda Reserves patrolling dublin, on foot, on a Friday/ Saturday night With the reg Garda in patrolling cars so they can respond to the Reserve via radio.

More Garda, Less cost, happy government.

overdriver

They'll be half-way between the common-or-garden security guard, and a fully fledged garda.

Only the most officious wee ****es are likely to apply to be rent-a-cops.

The world will not be a better place.

Nope.

CLADA

Drax wrote:

Maybe I should take this comment with a pinch of salt by this is going to be some craic when these boys come on board! :rolleyes:

:eek: Somebody tell the Garda Sgt in Drogheda to put out to tender for a major extension to the cell block. Incoming Road Traffic offenders!!!

Elfish

I read somewhere that the rent a cops wont be allowed on traffic duties.
Won't stop them power tripping in over zealous enforcment of other laws....then that goes for current full timers too.:rolleyes:

Wishbone Ash

Bam Bam wrote:

Expect to see Garda Reserves patrolling dublin, on foot, on a Friday/ Saturday night With the reg Garda in patrolling cars so they can respond to the Reserve via radio.

The Reserve Garda can only do foot patrol or traffic duties if accompanied by a permanent member of the force.

Victor

overdriver wrote:

Only the most officious wee ****es are likely to apply to be rent-a-cops.

If they don't get paid, how are they rent-a-cops?

overdriver

"Rent-a-cop" is a derisory term used by real police to describe a security guard. These in fact, then, are SUPER rent-a-cops.

Drax

CLADA wrote:

:eek: Somebody tell the Garda Sgt in Drogheda to put out to tender for a major extension to the cell block. Incoming Road Traffic offenders!!!

Are you crazy CLADA? That would be called planning, something that doesnt exist in this country

Seth Brundle

Will the reservists have full power of arrest?

wex

maybe, some of them will be a little on the over zelous side, but does not apply to regular trainee guards when they hit the streets themselves.

Victor

kbannon wrote:

Will the reservists have full power of arrest?

Yes. However, just like a full time officer, the will ahve to report it up the chain of command.

sneakyST

Drax wrote:

This is a quote from a recent post.


[http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055007210]

This has me thinking. Firstly, What powers exactly will the Garda Reserve have in regards to traffic? Where and how exactly are the Garda Reserve going to draw the line between upholding the law and taking things personally. What happens if a reserve member has a problem with a car driving at 130km/h on a motorway, who technically he is breaking the law, but as we all know most cars have been know to exceed the speed limit on motorways on certain occasions. Common sense may not prevail.

Now maybe I should take this comment with a pinch of salt by this is going to be some craic when these boys come on board! :rolleyes:

I would suggest that particular poster would be better served putting his energy into the speeders on the back roads rather than taking his Judge Dredd attitude onto the motorways and arresting people for doing 130/140kmh.

Rudolph Claus

They`re busybodies that will be taking everything personally and think they can tell people what to do just becuase the things the people are doing is annoying them.

I`d say there`ll be great fun to be had with these chaps if they start picking on their own pet hates.




edit: references to violent conduct removed - why would you have even thought of that???

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Drax wrote:

who technically he is breaking the law,

i presume the exact same thing a guard would do if "you were technically breaking the law"

Drax

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

i presume the exact same thing a guard would do if "you were technically breaking the law"

Dont be a stickler dude. Of course a guard could do you for the exact same thing. My point was that people who are members of the reserve may think that due to their newfound powers they may take things personally. There is so much lack of enforcement that they will think that they are the answer to the traffic corps.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Drax wrote:

There is so much lack of enforcement that they will think that they are the answer to the traffic corps.

hopefully they will, god knows we need more presents and enforcement in our road laws, might do something to curb the road deaths. because the gardai are doing fcuk all.
but just like the regular force, give them a couple of months on the job and they will soon assimilate into the general practice of their colleges of doing fcuk all.
and remember the full gardai are paid well and do **** all these boys are payed nothing so they will do less.

E@gle.

i think this is why some people were against the garda reserve because of power mad people like this

Alun

E@gle. wrote:

i think this is why some people were against the garda reserve because of power mad people like this

It doesn't seem to have been the case in other countries where a similar system has been introduced. They've had so-called "special constables" in the UK for ages, in fact one of my distant relatives is one, and you really coudn't imagine a less power mad person if you tried. Public spirited is a term I'd use more to describe him. They also have the Stadswacht in parts of Holland, which has also been a success in my opinion.

Ideally, anyone on a power trip would be weeded out at the interview stage, however given the Gardai's obvious dislike of the whole plan, they've hardly got any incentive to make it work, have they? So maybe they'll deliberately sabotage the scheme by letting in a few loonies, publicise any misuse of powers that ensues and then cry "I told you so!" ... all pure conjecture, of course

Gatster

As soon as some over-zealous Reserve-type nicks a Barrister, or someone with a few quid and and know-how of the system, on some jumped up charge that won't really stick they will go town (legally) and I can see sudden holes appearing in the reserve powers By the time this happens however they will probably be already have managed to:

assimilate into the general practice of their colleges of doing fcuk all.
and remember the full gardai are paid well and do **** all these boys are payed nothing so they will do less

How much willing support have they got from full-time gardai, it didn't seem to be any a few months ago?

Alun

Gatster wrote:

As soon as some over-zealous Reserve-type nicks a Barrister, or someone with a few quid and and know-how of the system, on some jumped up charge that won't really stick they will go town (legally) and I can see sudden holes appearing in the reserve powers ?

How will they do this when they haven't got powers of arrest?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Gatster wrote:

How much willing support have they got from full-time gardai, it didn't seem to be any a few months ago?

the full time force has come out and said that they will not assist the reserves in and way.

can you imagine that mentality....
"here la, yer are getting a lot of stick at the moment so we will bring in some lads to make yer work load smaller and make yer job a lot easier"....
"no fcuking way, we don't want somebody to help us"

Sam Vimes

E@gle. wrote:

i think this is why some people were against the garda reserve because of power mad people like this

are there actually people in the country who support it :eek:

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

the full time force has come out and said that they will not assist the reserves in and way.

can you imagine that mentality....
"here la, yer are getting a lot of stick at the moment so we will bring in some lads to make yer work load smaller and make yer job a lot easier"....
"no fcuking way, we don't want somebody to help us"

emmm... more like they have to baby sit power mad idiots with no training. there's a reason the gardai train for two years before benig given the powers they have. i think you'd be fairly annoyed if you spent 2 years training to be a garda and then someone else was just given a uniform and a baton and sent on patrol with you. i can forsee gardai getting beaten because of over zealous reservists who hit the wrong person with their baton

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Commander Vimes wrote:

i think you'd be fairly annoyed if you spent 2 years training to be a garda and then someone else was just given a uniform and a baton and sent on patrol with you.

no i wouldn't, because i should have the intelligence to understand that it is for the welfare of the country and to help me out as a guard

beside surly every guard in the country knows that they are failing on the roads and should accept every help they can get.

and i wont go into the statistics on the amount of murders and serious crime that go unsolved in this country which is well above 50%

or are they just pig ignorant.... i just answered my own question i guess

Gatster

Originally Posted by Alun
How will they do this when they haven't got powers of arrest?

According to others here they will have.

Originally Posted by kbannon
Will the reservists have full power of arrest?
Originally Posted by Victor
Yes. However, just like a full time officer, the will ahve to report it up the chain of command.

What would be the point of them if they haven't, eg.

Reserve Gardai - "You were breaking into that house/speeding/assaulting someone"
Lawbreaker - "So, what the fcuk are you going to do about it?"
Reserve Gardai - "Nothing, I have no power, it was just an observation, please stop it"

Alun

Gatster wrote:

According to others here they will have, there seems even less point to it if they don't....

That's strange ... I was pretty sure that when they first announced it this was not the case, and any reservist would always be accompanied by a full-time Garda who would carry out any arrest necessary. Has there been a U-turn on this then?

wex

it would seem that we have all reacted the same of the the rank and file guards if th press are to be believed, and as usual with us (the Irish), we just dont do change, I would say that the training, however limited is a hell of a lot more than we joe public have, and besides the whole thing would turn out to be a complete and utter mess if the people themselves are not up to the required standard. I would imagine that as with every other job/company, training would be ongoing, and from my own point of view, I would prefer to be given help in what ever situation by someone who has any training rather than the good samaritian who has none.

Sam Vimes

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

no i wouldn't, because i should have the intelligence to understand that it is for the welfare of the country and to help me out as a guard

beside surly every guard in the country knows that they are failing on the roads and should accept every help they can get.

a completely untrained monkey is a uniform is a hindrance, not a help. bebing a garda requires serious training, 2 years worth. there's a shortage of doctors in the country too. would you support the introduction of reserve doctors who've had a month of training and aren't being paid?

i'm all for hiring more civil servants to do the paper work that has the gardai off the streets for large portions of the day, but having completely untrained people on the street with these powers will be more inefficient, dangerous and cause the scum to lose what little respect they have left for the gardai.

Victor

Alun wrote:

That's strange ... I was pretty sure that when they first announced it this was not the case, and any reservist would always be accompanied by a full-time Garda who would carry out any arrest necessary. Has there been a U-turn on this then?

Not so much a U-turn as a detour. To avoid the full-time garda not cooperating, the reserve garda will simply rely more on his sergeant.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

bottom line is....

the guards are failing miserably in curbing road deaths, solving serious crime and murders.
they need help...fast. or else they need to shake up the force, because what we have at the moment is a waste of tax payers money.

Savman

overdriver wrote:

They'll be half-way between the common-or-garden security guard, and a fully fledged garda.

Only the most officious wee ****es are likely to apply to be rent-a-cops.

The world will not be a better place.

Nope.

Have to agree :rolleyes:

wex

Commander Vimes wrote:

a completely untrained monkey is a uniform is a hindrance, not a help. bebing a garda requires serious training, 2 years worth. there's a shortage of doctors in the country too. would you support the introduction of reserve doctors who've had a month of training and aren't being paid?

i'm all for hiring more civil servants to do the paper work that has the gardai off the streets for large portions of the day, but having completely untrained people on the street with these powers will be more inefficient, dangerous and cause the scum to lose what little respect they have left for the gardai.

Commander, is there a cap on the training they are to be given, or would you say be more in favour of a reserve guard after they had maybe a year and a half of experience, in other words if that powers that be let the whole thing take its course, and Im not entirely sure it will work either, what will the situation be like in 18 months, arent they takin on a couple a thousand of them

Sam Vimes

wex wrote:

Commander, is there a cap on the training they are to be given, or would you say be more in favour of a reserve guard after they had maybe a year and a half of experience, in other words if that powers that be let the whole thing take its course, and Im not entirely sure it will work either, what will the situation be like in 18 months, arent they takin on a couple a thousand of them

in 18 months they'll be semi-acceptable (although they'll still have 2 years less experience than a brand new garda) but by that time a whole load of new recruits will be on the streets. just like everything with this government, they want to try to fix the problem without actually spending the necessary money. they need to get more gardai on the streets but they don't want to give them the necessary trainging. a reservist is not a garda. he's a bin man with a blue uniform and a superiority complex

Seth Brundle

Alun wrote:

That's strange ... I was pretty sure that when they first announced it this was not the case, and any reservist would always be accompanied by a full-time Garda who would carry out any arrest necessary. Has there been a U-turn on this then?

That is why I asked!

Fey!

And here was me going to apply. Seriously! I was too fat, though.

I thought that the reservists were getting some training in Templemore at the moment?

alfie

http://www.garda.ie/angarda/press/2006/p05oct2006.html wrote:

Initial induction training (phase 1) consisting of two days training at the Garda College will be followed by a total of 57 hours classroom based training at their assigned stations over the coming weeks. A further two day operational training aspect (phase 3) at the Garda College will be delivered in November followed by 40 hours on the job training (phase 4) at station level. The first intake of Garda Reserves will graduate (phase 5) on the 16th December, 2006 and will be subject to a probationary period of 2 years.

In my opinion that is nowhere near enough training and that is the problem most people have with the Garda reserve

digweed

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

no i wouldn't, because i should have the intelligence to understand that it is for the welfare of the country and to help me out as a guard

beside surly every guard in the country knows that they are failing on the roads and should accept every help they can get.

and i wont go into the statistics on the amount of murders and serious crime that go unsolved in this country which is well above 50%

or are they just pig ignorant.... i just answered my own question i guess

so where can i send the form so that you can join the reserves' and put it right???:p

wex

alfie wrote:

In my opinion that is nowhere near enough training and that is the problem most people have with the Garda reserve

of course thats nowhere enough training, but as the govenment suddenly decieded that they wanted to push it through before christmas (hello election new year) there are some 40 pepple out there somewhere training to do basic tasks. at some stage in the proceedings, it will get noticed that they will need more training, and after much debate they will get it, and after more talk, push and shove, we will eventually get a viable reserve police force, which means more uniforms on the beat, this has to be a good thing, and I agree with what the commander said earlier, of course they are not guards, but they are better than nothing. The only reason that we dont have thousands more guards, is that templemore can only facilate a certain number at a time, and more guards means more training which means hello more money.

layke

TJ and TJ tbh.

digweed

thats one of the best ones!!!

miju

Victor wrote:

If they don't get paid, how are they rent-a-cops?

actually we do get paid and in response to someones question above reserves have exact same powers as full-time gardai

heres a quick reference to the training and powers / restrctions , pay etc of the reserve gardai

Victor

miju wrote:

actually we do get paid

Expenses only. Congrats BTW.

overdriver

Miju, what would possess you to do such a job? Seriously?

miju

Victor wrote:

Expenses only. Congrats BTW.

thanks man ,

tbh it's better than nothing (which was what i expected when I originally applied) i think it works out at around €5 per hour or somethign close to that

and before anyone gets on here saying i'm a power mad / hungry / tripping busy body etc , i'm not , i'm someone who is sick and tired of the scum in this country and instead of moaning / griping about it i'll put my money where my mouth is and step up and help out by doing my bit , obviously not going to clean up the streets by myself seeing as how we'll only be volunteering 3-4 hours per week but it all helps towards the greater cause.

you never know 1 day it could be a reservist who comes to their aide but what are you going to do say "**** off i'll get my head kicked in *insert complaint* for the next 30mins until a "real" Garda shows up"

yes i know we'll be accompanied but you get my point

Gatster

Does that document not refer to full-time Trainee Garda, the word 'reserve' doesn't exist in that doc, I quote...

Outside employment
The assignment is whole time and the Trainee may not engage in, or be connected with, any outside business or activity which would interfere with the performance of the assignment.

miju

Gatster wrote:

Does that document not refer to full-time Trainee Garda, the word 'reserve' doesn't exist in that doc, I quote...

my bad i clicked on the wrong link , the reserve document is underneath that one here

lisnsooz

Anyone I know who's applied and were accepted for the reserves are probably the opposite of crazed power hungry curtain twitchers - and I'm a rational person who can recognise the whites of someone's eyes far away :eek:

I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation people are spouting about the reserves, what they can and can't do etc etc. Let's wait a few months and then see, once reserves are actually on the street in a regular capacity, what they are actually doing, are capable of doing, and are allowed to do. Maybe by that time most of you will know someone who has had some experience with it and then ye'll know more about it (good exp I hope!!).

E@gle.

miju wrote:

actually we do get paid and in response to someones question above reserves have exact same powers as full-time gardai

you dont have exact same powers you cant drive squad cars or sign any forms can you.

CLADA

E@gle. wrote:

you dont have exact same powers you cant drive squad cars or sign any forms can you.

In fairness to miju driving a patrol car is not a power, there are hundreds of fully trained gardai who cannot drive patrol cars because they have not completed the driving course, and they will be able to witness signatures on forms as part of their station duties.

Good luck to any level headed person who is joining to try and make a difference and contribute to the well being and safety of the community, god knows there are enough out there who have walked by and ignored the calls for help from those who were being robbed or attacked or even raped (remember the incident in Parnell Sq last month where a young girls cries for help were ignored as she was dragged into a flat complex and raped!)