The M1 and assorted Roads

Flying

Is it me or does anyone bar a small minority actual adhere to the speed limit aka 120KMPH.

I use the entire length of this road everyday of the week and see incidents that would make your hair stand on end and have had a few near death experiences.

1.) If there are any NI drivers here can I ask why you seem to think you can break the law and do it with arrogance and sometimes murderous intent, going at 150KMPH + in your Audis etc do you think that is normal.

2.) NI Drivers and there lack of courteously again can I ask why you think you can bully people out of lanes and again attempt to murder intentionally or otherwise?

3.) Why am I paying car tax, insurance etc for Left handed drivers aka our lovely influx of eastern European drivers again as dangerous if not worse than our friends from the north, a Garda Statistical fact is that nearly 95% of these vehicles are neither insured, taxed or drivers licensed to drive them, I have several friends in the traffic corps would regularly patrol the M1 and other such like roads and are dealing with this on regular occasions.

4.) Can anyone explain to me the problem with performance car drivers and again speed limits as I think 120KMPH is sufficient unless an extreme emergency is taking place?

Can I get the views experiences of other drivers on this stretch of road?

Wishbone Ash

Flying wrote:

sometimes murderous intent

Steady on Flying.


I can't see this thread going anywhere. :rolleyes:

Anan1

Flying wrote:

3.) Why am I paying car tax, insurance etc for Left handed drivers aka our lovely influx of eastern European drivers again as dangerous if not worse than our friends from the north, a Garda Statistical fact is that nearly 95% of these vehicles are neither insured, taxed or drivers licensed to drive them,

Perhaps you could point us in the direction of this "Garda Statistical fact"?

mloc123

150kmph on a motorway isn't exactly dangerous is it?

Drax

This is quite possibly the best road in the country. Its a pity though that most people dont seem to know how to drive on it. I dont mind people who drive quickly (i.e > 120km/h) but what boils my blood are the lane hoggers. This has been spoken to death at this stage on this forum, but most evenings there is what I call the 'M1 Train' heading down the right hand lane of this road. It is so bad that I have now found that I get home quicker if I just stay in the left lane. I will just keep pace at my 120km/h while I pass the train rolling slowly to my right. I am constantly on my guard for people who might try and come back into the correct lane. I make more progress just staying in the left lane.

The amount of people who drive up each others arses on this road is staggering aswell. I am just waiting for the day when there is a massive pileup (again it will happen in the right lane) - I am surprised it hasnt happened.

I am quite content to flash people if I come up behind them and they dont move back into the correct lane in less than 10 seconds. If I approach a car in the right lane on a quiet M1, I will make it my business to point this out to them, by moving into the lane behind them at a safe distance, wait until they have looked in their mirrors and moved back into the correct lane, then I will overtake and move back to the left lane.

I also drive this road on a motorcycle, and car drivers seem to think that they have more right than I do which is why I end up lane splitting most of the time. :mad:

Flying

mloc123 wrote:

150kmph on a motorway isn't exactly dangerous is it?

Well is the speed limit was 150KMph but its not and to be honest it is quite dangerous

Flying

Anan1 wrote:

Perhaps you could point us in the direction of this "Garda Statistical fact"?

The Garda Report on Traffic incidents can be got afaik very easily for 2005 most likely have a look a t government publications I have seen the guts of the one for 2006 and it is scary.

And before the PC brigade jump on boards with any accusations of racist or anti-immigrant intent I have none I am pointing out a fact that most of these people think they can jump into a car and drive without NCT,Tax,Insurance and Licenses. aw well bertie said they would never come in there hundreds of thosands but thats a discussion for another board !

Flying

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Steady on Flying.


I can't see this thread going anywhere. :rolleyes:

I have again nearly got killed by a dangerous NI driver this morning again coming up my arse inches from my bumper flashing lights while I was over taking a convoy of trucks, if that is not murderous intent what is !!!.

I personally cannot wait to get on the ground why my garda reserve training is complete as I would take much pleasure arresting and having a zero tolerance policy against all especially non-southern irish drivers who should respect our laws on the road instead of breaking them !

ballooba

Flying wrote:

1.) If there are any NI drivers here can I ask why you seem to think you can break the law and do it with arrogance and sometimes murderous intent, going at 150KMPH + in your Audis etc do you think that is normal.

If you're not in the fast lane then they won't be bothering you. Sounds like you were lane hogging.

I drive that road a couple of times a week. The number of retards hogging the overtaking lane while there is huge gaps in the right hand lane is ridiculous.

HINT: If your in the right hand lane and there is a line a mile long behind you but empty road in front then you are lane hogging.

ballooba

Flying wrote:

I have again nearly got killed by a dangerous NI driver this morning again coming up my arse inches from my bumper flashing lights while I was over taking a convoy of trucks, if that is not murderous intent what is !!!.

Did you:

1. Check your rearview before moving into the overtaking lane?

2. Accelerate to get past the trucks in a timely fashion?

3. Fail to move back in between trucks despite a large gap and a faster moving following car?

Flying wrote:

I personally cannot wait to get on the ground why my garda reserve training is complete as I would take much pleasure arresting and having a zero tolerance policy against all especially non-southern irish drivers who should respect our laws on the road instead of breaking them !

The real gardai will have some laugh at your own little "zero tolerance" regime.

mloc123

ballooba wrote:

If you're not in the fast lane then they won't be bothering you. Sounds like you were lane hogging.

I drive that road a couple of times a week. The number of retards hogging the overtaking lane while there is huge gaps in the right hand lane is ridiculous.

HINT: If your in the right hand lane and there is a line a mile long behind you but empty road in front then you are lane hogging.

Sounds about right.... anyone remember the Charlie Bird report about the M11 :rolleyes: looks like we have his protege here...

Wishbone Ash

Flying wrote:

I personally cannot wait to get on the ground why my garda reserve training is complete as I would take much pleasure arresting and having a zero tolerance policy against all especially non-southern irish drivers

I would have thought that impartiality would be an important trait for any Garda Reservist. You should not take "pleasure" from arresting anyone. You sound more like Charles Bronson in Deathwish. I don't think they'll let you anywhere near the M1. The only licences you will see will be dog licences. How did you slip through the recruitment process?

Flying

ballooba wrote:

Did you:

1. Check your rearview before moving into the overtaking lane?

2. Accelerate to get past the trucks in a timely fashion?

3. Fail to move back in between trucks despite a large gap and a faster moving following car?



The real gardai will have some laugh at your own little "zero tolerance" regime.

Yes all the above and as per usual all trucks were up each others arses, the whole Irish trait of driving is actually very dangerous, I have done professional driving courses both here and the UK, I have done the British army evasive driving course and I am actually a certified (UK) instructor unlike the cowboys here.

It seems like the majority of people here want to break the law and breaking the speed limit is an acceptable norm, correct me if I am wrong what part of the law do you not unstand, attitudes like so are the reason why so many people die on the roads...

An the jokes guys about the garda reserve very funny, pity a lot of ye dont have the gall or bottle to do something for your community in your spare time.

End of Rant

Flying

Wishbone Ash wrote:

I would have thought that impartiality would be an important trait for any Garda Reservist. You should not take "pleasure" from arresting anyone. You sound more like Charles Bronson in Deathwish. I don't think they'll let you anywhere near the M1. The only licences you will see will be dog licences. How did you slip through the recruitment process?

Let me see how did I slip through the Process, I was a trained MP in the Parachute Regiment for 9 years, I have trained with the London Met mmmmm let me see should I coutinue...

And by the way it is a pleasure to arrest an offender, I suppose you think it is acceptable to drive at high speed whilst most likely untrained to do so ?

mloc123

Flying wrote:

Let me see how did I slip through the Process, I was a trained MP in the Parachute Regiment for 9 years, I have trained with the London Met mmmmm let me see should I coutinue...

And by the way it is a pleasure to arrest an offender, I suppose you think it is acceptable to drive at high speed whilst most likely untrained to do so ?

Are you Irish?

Sandwich

Flying wrote:

4.) Can anyone explain to me the problem with performance car drivers and again speed limits as I think 120KMPH is sufficient unless an extreme emergency is taking place?

Can I get the views experiences of other drivers on this stretch of road?

Whats an extreme emergency? AFIK the ROR has no line about speed limits not applying if you have an emergency. Sounds to me like you're making your own rules, if just not to the same extent as those you're complaining about.

I use this road quite a bit and yes there is quite bit of speeding, and yes it does seem to be a disproportionate quantity of northern cars doing 140kph in the outside lane - who dont like to be held up by someone doing 'only' 120 even if they are overtaking cars in the other lane themselves. They do it because they can get away with it. It proves the point that it is the perceived penalty that influences driving behaviour - they know they will only get a fine and no points.

Anyone one from the North know if southern drivers are renowned for speeding on your motorways?

Always stick to the 120 limit myself.

Flying

mloc123 wrote:

Are you Irish?

Anglo-Irish

Born here one parent UK the other Jackheen

mloc123

Why would you or anyone want to be in the Garda reserve, thats what confuses me

Wishbone Ash

Flying wrote:

Let me see how did I slip through the Process, I was a trained MP in the Parachute Regiment for 9 years, I have trained with the London Met mmmmm let me see should I coutinue...

Keep digging!

Flying wrote:

I suppose you think it is acceptable to drive at high speed whilst most likely untrained to do so ?

Did I say it was acceptable to exceed the speed limit? Where? My posts related to your attitude towards foreign drivers. I think that the law should be applied equally regardless of the nationality of the motorist.

(PS - I have a full, clean and unrestricted driving licence in the following categories - A,A1,B,BE,C,CE,C1,C1E,D,DE,D1,D1E,M,W but no, you're correct, I don't have high speed training. I don't need it. I obey the speed limits.)

Flying

Sandwich wrote:

Whats an extreme emergency? AFIK the ROR has no line about speed limits not applying if you have an emergency. Sounds to me like you're making your own rules, if just not to the same extent as those you're complaining about.

I use this road quite a bit and yes there is quite bit of speeding, and yes it does seem to be a disproportionate quantity of northern cars doing 140kph in the outside lane - who dont like to be held up by someone doing 'only' 120 even if they are overtaking cars in the other lane themselves. They do it because they can get away with it. It proves the point that it is the perceived penalty that influences driving behaviour - they know they will only get a fine and no points.

Anyone one from the North know if southern drivers are renowned for speeding on your motorways?

Always stick to the 120 limit myself.

An extreme emergency would be for example my best mates brother in stabannon cut half his finger off and lourdes was say about 15 km away ambulance would take up to 30 mins to get there, in a car about 10 to 15 mins at speed, he was loosing a lot of blood hence, the driver going around 140KM to get there although against the law i think a court or the police would overlook this as extenuating circumstances otherwise there should not be much else scope for speeding..

Flying

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Keep digging!

Did I say it was acceptable to exceed the speed limit? Where? My posts related to your attitude towards foreign drivers. I think that the law should be applied equally regardless of the nationality of the motorist.

(PS - I have a full, clean and unrestricted driving licence in the following categories - A,A1,B,BE,C,CE,C1,C1E,D,DE,D1,D1E,M,W but no, you're correct, I don't have high speed training. I don't need it. I obey the speed limits.)

I totally agree for the law to be equal to all, but alas it is not, why there is no real penalty for foreign drivers here, a fine maybe but points, endorsements and loading of insurance if any no.

It may never happen but a EU License database would be the way foward but again Big Brother Tactics....

And if you obey the limits I commend you !

Flying

mloc123 wrote:

Why would you or anyone want to be in the Garda reserve, thats what confuses me

To help people ? Help your community ?

sk8board

ballooba wrote:

HINT: If your in the right hand lane and there is a line a mile long behind you but empty road in front then you are lane hogging.

not if you are travelling faster than the cars you're overtaking. You might be lane-hogging, but you are not breaking any laws.

btw, I also live out the M1, and have a problem with the nordie-reg's blasting past like they own the place (call it what you like, thats what it is).

**roll on cross-border points**

p.s I'm sure the paddies do the same up North too. I used to travel the letterkenny-derry road a bit, back in the day.

nothings changed.

ballooba

sk8board wrote:

not if you are travelling faster than the cars you're overtaking. You might be lane-hogging, but you are not breaking any laws.

I'd love to hear you justify that behaviour.

It may not be illegal but it is inconsiderate and yes actually, it is lane hogging.

ballooba

Flying wrote:

An the jokes guys about the garda reserve very funny, pity a lot of ye dont have the gall or bottle to do something for your community in your spare time.

End of Rant

I actually work with inner city kids in my spare time.

I prefer to leave police work to the real police and I'll leave the garda reserve to busy bodies who think they are the law.

mloc123

Garda reserve....

Sandwich

ballooba wrote:

I'd love to hear you justify that behaviour.

It may not be illegal but it is inconsiderate and yes actually, it is lane hogging.

No justification is needed for his behaviour - he is just driving according to the ROR.
Nor is it lane hogging. You are entitled (within the speed limit)to be in the overtaking lane, passing cars in the other lane - you are not road hogging. You are if you do not move back to the inside lane when you have passed the other cars and there is space to move to.

You do not have to move out of the way just because some lout wants to break the limit.

Victor

Flying wrote:

The Garda Report on Traffic incidents

I'm having trouble finding this on google http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=Garda+Report+on+Traffic+incidents+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

ballooba

Sandwich wrote:

No justification is needed for his behaviour - he is just driving according to the ROR.

Ever hear of work to rule?

If everyone drove exactly to the rules of the road and threw courtesy out the window it would be a sad sad day.

Sandwich

ballooba wrote:

Ever hear of work to rule?

If everyone drove exactly to the rules of the road and threw courtesy out the window it would be a sad sad day.

But a safer safer day. Depends what you want I suppose.

ballooba

Sandwich wrote:

But a safer safer day. Depends what you want I suppose.

Well picture the situation where a car is attempting to pull out of an entrance into a steady stream of traffic. The stream of traffic is under no obligation to let the person out. Would you like to see that courtesy thrown out the window as well?

Victor

ballooba wrote:

Ever hear of work to rule? If everyone drove exactly to the rules of the road and threw courtesy out the window it would be a sad sad day.

If the overtaker at the front is making good progress, I don't see any problem.

unkel

Flying wrote:

Well is the speed limit was 150KMph but its not and to be honest it is quite dangerous

Says who? I was recently cruising along at 140-160km/h on a quiet M1 with the few cars that were driving in the driving lane doing about 110-130km/h. A breath of fresh air and a reminder of how motorway driving is in the rest of Europe

Yes I'm braking the law and I'll accept a fine and points if I get caught. Unsafe it was not imho

Flying wrote:

I have again nearly got killed by a dangerous NI driver this morning again coming up my arse inches from my bumper flashing lights while I was over taking a convoy of trucks

He's a tit. Under no circumstances should he be inches from your bumper provided you didn't cut into the overtaking lane just in front of him

Gatster

especially non-southern irish drivers who should respect our laws on the road instead of breaking them

So random tourists deserve your 'justice', or if you get the opportunity are you going to target NI and Eastern Europeans exclusively? Nice and impartial attitude that, just what the Garda need to boost their image. A guy was tailgating me yesterday through the roadworks on the M50, in an 01-D plate Mondeo estate, so I pulled in and let him pass. He then proceeded to weave in and out of the traffic but was still only 4 cars in front by the toll...This seems to happen lot with all different plates of car, not just NI.

pity a lot of ye dont have the gall or bottle to do something for your community in your spare time.

Who do you think you are - do you believe that you are somehow superior to others here for choosing to do this? Fair play to you if you want to, but it doesn't elevate you above the masses for doing so.

I'm sure the paddies do the same up North too

Damn right they do. Last year I was in Belfast quite a bit and it certainly seemed to be the case then.

Victor

unkel wrote:

Says who? I was recently cruising along at 140-160km/h on a quiet M1 with the few cars that were driving in the driving lane doing about 110-130km/h.

TRy to keep the difference to well under 25%, i.e. don't do 160km/h to overtake someone doing 110km/h. The greater the difference, the greater the risks.

unkel

Victor wrote:

TRy to keep the difference to well under 25%, i.e. don't do 160km/h to overtake someone doing 110km/h. The greater the difference, the greater the risks.

In principle the greater the difference, the greater the risk. More so in absolute terms than in relative terms. I agree that overtaking with a 50km/h difference is pushing it in Ireland even if the overtaker and the overtaken are the only cars on a motorway

ballooba

Victor wrote:

If the overtaker at the front is making good progress, I don't see any problem.

If they are making good progress then I wouldn't think traffic would bunch up behind them like that. The M50 being an exception to the rule because there is constantly a queue in both lanes.

On a road with as little traffic as the M1 there should not be queues like that.

mackerski

German law actually requires overtaking to be performed at a "significantly higher" speed than the other car. In reality, this is there to avoid 1/2 hour overtaking manoevres and/or long hold ups on 2-lane motorways due to overtaking motorists preferring to overtake at 100 or so.

Dermot

saobh_ie

I love the M1, the only motorway in the country. Tip up and down at 150kmh, people typically stay in lane and when you come up on somebody at 120 in the offside lane, two flashes of the right indicator when they have somewhere to go and your past them, usually, most everybody on the M1 is actually driving thier car somewhere. (Of course reducing speed as the distance between the cars grows less during the over take to avoid causing uproar on boards.ie).



When I'm alone on the road, no traffic in sight front or rear and on the bike I'll travel pretty much as fast as my bike goes (its a slow enough bike though), but even at that I'll keep an eye in my mirrors for the odd 200kph+ BMW M5 that ambles up and down.

L5

saobh_ie wrote:

Tip up and down at 150kmh

except of course just after the turn off for dunleer coming down from the north

ballooba

L5 wrote:

except of course just after the turn off for dunleer coming down from the north

LOL, that thing is so stupid. It's like a high-vis gatso.

Loads of skid marks on the road just in front of it.

el tel

Flying you just sound like a weekend warrior with a bee in your bonnet.
I've been driving this road for as long as it has been opened and I see all sorts of numpties. I've found that lane hoggers are equally likely to be northern/southern/young/old/male/female. Northerners do seem to do it at greater speed though however the act of pulling out into tiny gaps between overtaking cars seems to be a very Southern preserve. This, in my mind, is much more dangerous than plain speeding and shows desperately poor road craft.

Personally, I find that driving up the M1 is a pain up until the environs of Dundalk. At this point the outside lane 'M1 train' has usually gone, the traffic density drops, the road sweeps nicely, visibility increases and the proportion of northern drivers greatly increases. Then I can take it to 200km/h without having to worry about the gimps who got their licence from a Cornflakes box and drive like they are under anaesthetic.

Flying

el tel wrote:

Flying you just sound like a weekend warrior with a bee in your bonnet.
I've been driving this road for as long as it has been opened and I see all sorts of numpties. I've found that lane hoggers are equally likely to be northern/southern/young/old/male/female. Northerners do seem to do it at greater speed though however the act of pulling out into tiny gaps between overtaking cars seems to be a very Southern preserve. This, in my mind, is much more dangerous than plain speeding and shows desperately poor road craft.

Personally, I find that driving up the M1 is a pain up until the environs of Dundalk. At this point the outside lane 'M1 train' has usually gone, the traffic density drops, the road sweeps nicely, visibility increases and the proportion of northern drivers greatly increases. Then I can take it to 200km/h without having to worry about the gimps who got their licence from a Cornflakes box and drive like they are under anaesthetic.

You my good man should be jailed before you kill some poor innocent person with that attitude and that speed.

Driving at 200KM/h is the sign of a true idiot and personally if you killed yourself on the road and nobody else you would be doing society a favour.

I have been at one to many funerals of family members who have been killed by scum such as yourself...one of them my younger brother :mad:

LikeOhMyGawd!

Flying wrote:

You my good man should be jailed before you kill some poor innocent person with that attitude and that speed.

Driving at 200KM/h is the sign of a true idiot and personally if you killed yourself on the road and nobody else you would be doing society a favour.

I have been at one to many funerals of family members who have been killed by scum such as yourself...one of them my younger brother :mad:

You can't call someone scum on a forum - that's personal and abusive. People have been baned for less recently!

Fortunately we have a justice system which means that a written or spoken 'attitude' to speeding is not an offence punishable by jail. Your random idea of justice is a bit O.T.T. Presumably you'd fancy yourself as some kind of Enforcer ' when you finish Garda Reserve training? Whatever your reasons against speeders, Northern drivers and foreign drivers, you sound like a zealot and that won't do yourcause any good.

3ps

the reason there is a train on the overtaking lane on the m1 is because
- what with trucks and "slower drivers" the driving lane averages about 80-110kph.
- with the volumes of traffic at rush hour and the tendency to tailgate it can be hard to pull out into the overtaking lane

as a result people will just stay in the overtaking lane.

Occassionally there is a bunch up and the driving lane will go faster but it soon sorts itself out. In this situation you actually have to deal with overtakers pulling into the driving lane without looking... trying to save a few seconds and pull back into the overtaking lane 100m ahead.

I personally think that the overtaking lane of the m1 northbound in rush hour traffic is one of the most dangerous places to be.

You have tailgaters, people revving up your backside to make you go faster, and desperate people trying to pull out from the driving lane when there is no room. All this at 120kph +.

As a result I stay in the driving lane. I don't care if I end up doing 80kph for a while. At least I will get home alive.

3ps

as I type!!!



from breakingnews:
An accident involving a lorry has caused major traffic disruption on the M1 in north Co Dublin today.

The lorry has jack-knifed on the motorway between the Naul and Walshestown exits, entirely blocking the southbound lanes.

The accident has already caused a 7km tailback and motorists are being diverted away from the scene by gardaí.

Motorists travelling south are being urged to take the Julianstown flyover into Balbriggan, while traffic that has already passed this point should divert onto the Naul flyover and head to Balrothery.

MAYPOP

Flying wrote:

If there are any NI drivers here can I ask why you seem to think you can break the law and do it with arrogance and sometimes murderous intent,

that's rich coming from

Flying wrote:

I was a trained MP in the Parachute Regiment for 9 years, I have trained with the London Met mmmmm let me see should I coutinue...

:rolleyes:

Wishbone Ash

3ps wrote:

as I type!!!

from breakingnews:
An accident involving a lorry has caused major traffic disruption on the M1 in north Co Dublin today...........

Breaking news as you type? Eh, you posted at 3.46pm - that accident happened apound 11am.

philologos

I don't think its rich coming from him at all. Just because he has worked with the British Army and trained with the Met in London. Just because he has done different things in a different country. Should he be confined to Ireland or something?? Also an Irishman living in Britain for a while doesn't equal a bad driver from Northern Ireland.

Wishbone Ash

Jakkass wrote:

I don't think its rich coming from him at all. Just because he has worked with the British Army and trained with the Met in London. Just because he has done different things in a different country. Should he be confined to Ireland or something?? Also an Irishman living in Britain for a while doesn't equal a bad driver from Northern Ireland.

I think MAYPOP is referring to his lack of understanding of the term 'murder' ( considering that he says he has trained with the London Metropolitian Police).

MAYPOP

Jakkass wrote:

I don't think its rich coming from him at all.

OK. I do.
Google "Parachute regiment & murderers" and see if that compares to someone allegedly speeding and tailgaiting on a motorway.

Jakkass wrote:

Just because he has worked with the British Army and trained with the Met in London.

Just because what?

Jakkass wrote:

Just because he has done different things in a different country.

???

Jakkass wrote:

Should he be confined to Ireland or something??

???

Jakkass wrote:

Also an Irishman living in Britain for a while doesn't equal a bad driver from Northern Ireland.

I don't recall saying that it did, not that it even makes sense:rolleyes: