work and being pregnancy

Laura Fitz06

hi im only six weeks pregnant but have morning sickness. i rang in sick today and my manager rang me back later to say , dont start this u better be in tomorrow , i have only been out once or twice this year . can he do this i work in a large store

qwertz

Get in contact with your HR department and ask for advise. Also try oasis.gov.ie.

Laura Fitz06

hr do what the managers tell them to . the girls are nice but dont realy have a clue

qwertz

And you are welcome!

slave1

stress in your case is not good, if this is playing on your mind visit your GP and discuss, sick cert would improve your position

loyatemu

go into work tomorrow and if you're feeling sick go in and vomit on your manager. or on the shop floor. they won't question you again.

J.R.HARTLEY

slave1 wrote:

stress in your case is not good, if this is playing on your mind visit your GP and discuss, sick cert would improve your position

would agree 100%, your arsehole manager has no leg to stand on if your doc says you shouldn't go in.

qwertz

And how do you know that the manager is an arsehole? Maybe OP has a bad track record or is simply lazy or useless...

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

would agree 100%, your arsehole manager has no leg to stand on if your doc says you shouldn't go in.

The Hill Billy

qwertz wrote:

Maybe OP has a bad track record or is simply lazy or useless...

I don't think that comments like that will help the OP. She's obviously not feeling to great at the moment & if you've not got anything good to say - keep it to yourself.

Nevyn

Morning sickness can be hard to cope with you have to find away to manage it.
It could be you have to get up early and be done with the sickness before you head into work.
Welcome to the fun the first physical demands your pregnancy will need you to acomidate.

seamus

Unfortunately for yourself, you're not exactly *entitled* to a day off if you're sick. An employer can't take sick days out of your holidays, but they have no obligation to allow sick days, or to pay you for them. The have a right to let you go if you are continually taking sick days, pregnant or not.

Your boss certainly can insist that you come in the next day, regardless of whether you have morning sickness or not, so you're going to have to find a way to cope. If you have it very bad, perhaps you can arrange to take a later shift/start time for a few weeks until it passes.

It should be made clear though, that you can't be victimised for your pregnancy - bullying (regardless of how thinly veiled) is not on.

qwertz

And when did you become a mod of this section?

Hill Billy wrote:

I don't think that comments like that will help the OP. She's obviously not feeling to great at the moment & if you've not got anything good to say - keep it to yourself.

Wishbone Ash

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

your arsehole manager has no leg to stand on if your doc says you shouldn't go in.

Not necessarily JR HARTLEY. The manager is under no statutory obligation to accept a sick certificate from the OP's doctor. He/she has the right to insist that the OP attend a doctor of their choice.

The Hill Billy

qwertz wrote:

And when did you become a mod of this section?

Dear God - No!

I know what the OP is going through & thought that a wee bit of consideration for her feelings wouldn't go amiss.

Apologies if my post appeared a bit "sharp".

Laura Fitz06

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLYS BUT I RANG CIT ADVICE and they said he has no right to phone me at home and put me under this stress , i have only beenj out for 2 weeks this year because of illness and i do all diferant shifts to help my manager out and this is the thanks i get

TempestSabre

seamus wrote:

Unfortunately for yourself, you're not exactly *entitled* to a day off if you're sick. An employer can't take sick days out of your holidays, but they have no obligation to allow sick days, or to pay you for them. The have a right to let you go if you are continually taking sick days, pregnant or not.

Your boss certainly can insist that you come in the next day, regardless of whether you have morning sickness or not, so you're going to have to find a way to cope. If you have it very bad, perhaps you can arrange to take a later shift/start time for a few weeks until it passes.

It should be made clear though, that you can't be victimised for your pregnancy - bullying (regardless of how thinly veiled) is not on.

I'm with Seamus on this. You may not be entitled to sick leave or payment etc. But you can't be bullied. So be clear on that difference.

leeroybrown

You say that you have 'only' been out for two weeks so far through illness. While this may all be for valid certified illness it's still quite a lot. It's actually more sick time than I've used in all the jobs I've had. Perhaps your sick leave is above average and your manager is worried that there is a precedent for you taking a lot during your pregnancy. It's certanly no excuse to bully you in any way but it might look bad from his standpoint.

h2s

Over the many years I have worked as an Industrial Relations advisor, I am amazed at the number of employer/managers who walk themselves into trouble by the way the treat pregnant employees.

If only they take the time to engage their brain, they wouldn't have to shell out thousands in compo, year after year it is the same old thing.

MarkR

My mrs is in the same boat (pregnant - not the hassle part). Aren't visits to the GP covered for free for pregnancy issues? Not 100% sure on that (should pay more attention). So if you feel sick, pop down to the doctor and get a cert. And if your boss has any more ultimatums ask them to put them in writing for your own reference.

And two weeks off work, is that a single / multiple occurance? If it's 10 seperate days off work that's pretty high, but I suppose it's down to the individual.

Flat

look it at from your managers point of view...

he is stressed out, he has targets to meet, he has objectives, he has managers breathing down his neck, he has to roster staff, find new staff, manage staff to get the job done

an employee says they are six weeks pregnant and need to take a day of for morning sickness...

... he is thinking right I am fooked, she will start taking loads of days off and eventually leave to have a kid and may not come back... but I am stuck here short staffed

so its all well and good saying 'what about me', 'i feel sick', 'i cant do this job if I dont feel well'.. but from his perspective he is in an awkward place too and probably hence his short temper, for which he gets branded a 'pr*ck'

so is he a 'pr*ck'? No. He is a person trying to get a job done, with some obstacles thrown in his way.

Work should never be personalised. Milk it for what its worth, but its not fair to call this guy a pr*ck

h2s

All very well having the short temper... until it lands you at the EAT.

dame

Laura Fitz06 wrote:

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLYS BUT I RANG CIT ADVICE and they said he has no right to phone me at home and put me under this stress , i have only beenj out for 2 weeks this year because of illness and i do all diferant shifts to help my manager out and this is the thanks i get

Only been out two weeks sick. If those two weeks were all day's after the night before or seemed like it to your manager he probably thinks you're taking the pregnancy as a free rein to stay off work. Or it could be possible that one of the most recent women to be pregnant in your workplace took nearly the whole pregnancy off on sick-leave so he might be afraid you're doing the same and so he's just trying to make sure you know you have to be really sick before taking sick-leave.

homeOwner

IMO 2 weeks out sick over a year is alot, unless it was 10 days taken in a row for a single illness. Were you genuinely sick on those 10 days ? If you have cried wolf being sick before, you are feeling the backlash of that now.

spongbob

My lovly girlfriend gave birth to our beautiful baby boy ten months ago, after the birth she got the "baby blues" and has since been off work on post natal depression since she had the the little fella.. since then i have given up my career to look after them both.. (that was a full time job on its own beleave me) long story short our local doc & psychologist recons she will be fit to return to work in january,the thing is we have found out that we wil be having another baby in June....
will her personel department be understanding about our situation or will she be will she taken off to the integaration room...
i have sent in all of her sick certs on a weekly basis and as i mention in this post she has met regulary with her local Gp and on one ocassion a Specialist Doctor As requested by her personell manager, She has been genuinly been off sick and now that she wants to go back to her career she feels very embarrassed
1) she has been off work for 6 months
2) she is pregnant again in such short time
i know how it might look - having a baby -> going on sick leave with pay -> returning back to work and informing her personell manager she is 15 weeks pregnant again And one day in the forcoming months apply for maternity leave for the 2nd time.. i try and asure her that everything is ok and this sort of thing does happen in life, she dosn't know what to expect when she rings her personell manager. The other day she was talking about chucking in her job and saying nothing, even after 5 years of a hard earned career - i told her i wont let her.
So i guess what i am asking is what would You do if you were in our position more so in my girlfriends position, has any of the members here ever been in such a position If so how did you get on..

thanks everyone for reading this,
Best Regards
Spongbob