US: 3X03 - "Further Instructions" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS" -

Episode Title: "Further Instructions"
Airdate: October 18th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

The aftermath of the hatch and its implosion results with Locke and Desmond safely alive. However, Mr. Eko remains in grave danger with Locke trying to save him. Meanwhile, Claire is stunned to see castaways Paulo and Nikki (guest star Kiele Sanchez) having sex in Jack's tent. Also, Hurley discusses in detail to the camp survivors on what it was like being captured by the "Others." Lastly, flashbacks reveal more about Locke’s past. Locke also begins to come to terms with his involvement in Boone’s (guest star Ian Somerhalder) death.

Next New Episode: 3X04 - "Every Man For Himself" - October 25th 2006

anotherlostie

6

Meh! It was alright, but I felt a bit letdown, in that this was our return to the original castaways and yet it didn't feel that way. I suppose it is only looking back now that I see that only Claire and Charlie remained at camp from the end of last season, and maybe that explains my antipathy. Claire is a bit of a waste of space, and the introduction of the two new characters was crap - Locke just asked them to do stuff, but I suppose given the lack of characters on the beach, some additions were necessary (but why not Bernard and Rose?).

The Boone/ Locke scene was amazing, and again perhaps set the episode up for too much. There were lots of pointers to future plots there - Claire and Charlie are OK, for now. Why was Hurley in an Oceanic uniform? Ben I could understand. Is this suggesting Hurley's role in bringing them all there via the numbers? And what about Desmond, looking out for himself. Particularly in light of his later comment re Locke's speech and Hurley's suspicious reaction to it (which I cannot understand). I'll forgive the fact that Boone looked five years older; it was a great, spooky cameo from Ian Somerhalder.

The backstory was rubbish, first time for Locke for me to say that. What did we learn about him? That he was conned again? Well, that's hardly new. And once again there was no interlink to any of the other castaways that I could see. Maybe this young guy will reappear later, and there will be continuity.

Finding Eko was interesting in the site of the Dharma shirt, suggesting that something went wrong for a Dharma employee. Or could it be the remains of the guy that Henry accidentally killed last year? And I thought we were going to see Cerebus, not the Polars, so was disappointed by that too.

Hope things pick up next week - only three more episodes to go!

aidan_r

7

basquille wrote:

Meanwhile, Claire is stunned to see castaways Paulo and Nikki (guest star Kiele Sanchez) having sex in Jack's tent. Also, Hurley discusses in detail to the camp survivors on what it was like being captured by the "Others."

how come i didn't see any of that in the episode? anyone else see that?

pretty good ep, more confusion yay:rolleyes:, desmonds comment about lockes speech was very interesting and very cool trippy sequence with boon

danniemcq

well TV.com once again **** up the synopsis! interesting though the childs toy found in the cave and the ragged shirt that was on the skeleton could that be from the other others? there was the ragged lookin others with kids that charlie and Eko seen. but how did JOhn know it was the polar bear that had eko it looked like a wolf in the fire to me... but that could just be me

for anyone that care the things on ekos stick at the start were lift up your eyes and look north and a load of bible chapter numbers Rom 6:12 Acts 4:12 John 3:05 Gen 13:14 Hab(?)1:3 and then he has the numbers at bottom too

oh and that form he had for guns only thing really in that was his DOB 15 nov 1946

dunno if any of that matters but someone might pick something up...!

oh yeah and who was the guy "helping himself" in the airport with the 2 stewerdesses

anotherlostie wrote:

Or could it be the remains of the guy that Henry accidentally killed last year?

?when was that who was that?

sunzz

4

desmond can see into the future , well looks like he may have had a premenition *sp* or something along those lines whilst destroying the hatch. hence hurleys reaction when locke gave the speech, as desmond said he would.

pretty horrible episode for me bar the boon scene nothing REALLY worthwhile happened, nothing new answered.

stevejazzx

8

damienq wrote:

when was that who was that?

Henry Gale is who Ben killed and stole his identity. Wel lat least we thought it was ben who killed him, could of been POlar Bear or 4 thousand other things.


A great episode. Very offbeat and unusual. The backstory for Locke is Important. We don't know yet if he kills that guy (Mr. Eko says 'you're a hunter which indicates possibly that after the camera pulls away and we think he's not going to shoot that he actually shoots him which we might get to see in a future backstory.
If he kills him then that would strengten the idea that they (the losties)
were all murderers/killers.
Hurley was amazed because desmond seems to now have psychic abilities as he predicted Lockes speech about saving jack and kate etc.
The Locke trail across the isalnd to save EKO was very intersting as it underpinned strong elements from season 2 about the Island having power. Power to show the future or destiny. The Polar scene is very intersting as it seems to be doing a lot more than just hunting.
Locke calls the base camp on the Island 'home'. I'll bring them(JKS) home.
It's looking more like a huge test of a community the more the show goes. Perhaps similar scenarios brought Bens community into being during the DI.
HOw did locke, eko and desmond survive the implosion in the Hatch. That seems to begger belief even more so than the plane crash.
If the Island give these kinda of supernatural powers to people who can tap into it where did that all start or come about.
Perhaps walt was able to tap into the eye of the island very easily. Perhaps thats why he's special. Mr. Eko is next, he could see yemi guiding him in his dreams. Locke and boone needed a hallucenogenic to see the Island visions. Childern probably don't.
It is without doubt the strangest episode of lost to date.

Hyzepher

I'd like to know that after 16yrs or so - Daneille never came across the real Others camp - especially as she was looking for her daughter

Hyzepher

abelard

8

Y'know, although this episode didn't advance the story very much at all, as an isolated episode I really, really liked it.

The backstory, although not particularly strong, wasn't useless as has been sugested. I think it was to show that Locke had a bit of a complex going on where by he could never clean up his own messes, and lways felt too much blame for things. His compulsive nature with his father, but never actually confronting him is one instance. We can probably assume he never worked out his relationship with Helen if he went off to join the commune. Then the evenst we saw in this episode where he messed things up again, but didn't have the courage to fix them (I'm running on the belief that he doesn't eventually kill the cop dude).

The hallucination scene was, like all of the other hallucnation/dream sequences we've seen, really weird and well done and full of symbolism. Locke saw Sayid literally pointing the way to go (or manipulating?) to a bickering Jin and Sun. Sawyer and Kate (and JESUS did she look hot in that scene, and also Sawyer says something to Kate that sounds remrkably familiar, but I cant put my finger on it), while out of reach, are content in each others company, and Jack, isolated is being studied by Ben (Is there a bit more significance to Jack removing his watch?). A bit more cryptic were Boone's comments about Charlie and Claire, and then about Desmond (I wonder why he was dressed as a pilot with an entourage of girls too??).

Speaking of Desmond, his scene with Hurley was indeed very odd, as is his new found clairvoyance. Hopefully we might get another one of those on-island flashbacks fairly soon about what happened to Desmond after the implosion (because I think there's more to it than we think).

Was nice to see Locke back in hunt mode too after a season of angst-Locke, and at least he and Charlie might be able to get along a bit better after this.

Anyway, I just really liked the kind of mystical feel to this episode, and on standalone basis is one of the best episodes in quite some time, just a pity it didn't accelerate the main story all that much, although i think some of the issues brought up here will certainly have important effects later down the line.

9/10

magick

7

yeah i really like it

if u notice the Jesus stick of Ekos is "lift up your eyes and look north" also at the end of it it has the numbers

oh yeah and who was the guy "helping himself" in the airport with the 2 stewerdesses

Desmond

Haven't a Clue

5

Found it a little dissapointing. I thought from the trailers we were gonna find out stuff about the monster but instead we got thos pesky polar bears again. I do wonder now who's gonna treat eko since Jack's away galavanting with the other lot...

The whole desmond thing at the end was all a bit confusing. Good to see that locke's gonna kick ass again...

randomchild

9

Excellent episode, best episode of the season so far. The scene in the airport was amazing, and we finally get to see the return of the boar hunting, voodoo preaching locke! What more could you want?

danniemcq

magick wrote:

Desmond

yeah so obvious now knew he rang a bell /smacks head

Basq

5

Wasn't hugely impressed with this week's episode bar the fantastic hallucination scene in the airport.. was brillantly filmed, very interesting, trippy and just one of the memorable scenes in 'Lost' in quite a while... and as already mentioned, Kate looked fantastic in it.

I'm not sure if the scene hinted at future plotlines.. the scene was full of symbolism - most notably Ben as security "checking" Jack, Sawyer and Kate / Jin.

Loved the opening to the episode too.. great return of the opening eye shot and the deja-vu of the opening scenes of the series. A shot of an eye... a character lying in the grass.. looking up at the wind blowing through the trees.. hears a sound of rustling through the grass. But wasn't expecting to see Vincent anyways!

Is Desmond simply psychic or did he see the future? A gift given to him by the island? Sounds a bit hokey.. but this is definitely a new occurrence, but then again Desmond hasn't exactly been a heavily developed character.

The Locke backstory wasn't great either.. but have seen Justin Chatwin (who played Eddie) in a lot recently and has impressed me in most of the things he's done (from a one-off appearance in the 'Weeds' pilot to The Chumscrubber.. but loathed him in 'War Of The Worlds'). Am expecting that storyline with Locke refusing to shoot Eddie to come back somewhere but wouldn't be suprised if it didn't.

But besides the hallucination and opening.. an all over average episode!

Rating: 6 / 10

tvnutz

6

basquille wrote:

The Locke backstory wasn't great either.. but have seen Justin Chatwin (who played Eddie) in a lot recently and has impressed me in most of the things he's done (from a one-off appearance in the 'Weeds' pilot to The Chumscrubber.. but loathed him in 'War Of The Worlds'). Am expecting that storyline with Locke refusing to shoot Eddie to come back somewhere but wouldn't be suprised if it didn't.

Thats where I recognized him from,I hated him in that movie. I just wanted to smack him around the place. And then somehow he ends up surviving :rolleyes:

GrumPy

3

Gave it a 4/10 was very boring, and learned very little.

speedfreak

7

I feel with this series the episodes dont have the same "ohh cant wait till next week " or "oh jesus i cant believe that" type endings! Its all a bit take it or leave it. And is it just me or did that guy Eddie remind anyone of Billy Joe from Green Day particularly in the Basket case vid.??

Hyzepher

This episode had strength in its Subtlety.

Desmond's aparent psychic ability has a strong link to the Australian dude that Rose/Bernard went to. Both places centre of magnetic fields or somewhat.

Locke's backstory was also significant in the way that the "sweat tent" was something that he had used before and thus used it on Boone in series 1. So the "That's what it made you see?" comment to Boone in S1 wasn't a reference to the island as some thought. Also the "Locke is special" comment raises it heads again.

Hyzepher

Hyzepher

Another point I forgot to mention was Locke's speech. Between him and Ben we have two people promising to bring Jack "Home"

Hyzepher

eirebhoy

8

aidan_r wrote:

how come i didn't see any of that in the episode? anyone else see that?

Here's the spoiler for Episode 1:
spoiler: Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are held in unique circumstances by the mysterious "Others" as they are now prisoners in their camp. Meanwhile, back on the beach, a struggle for leadership and direction begins as Hurley makes his way back home with bad news about the other members being captured. Lastly, flashbacks reveal more about Jack's past with his father and Sarah.

So we'll get to see the bits you quoted in a later episode I presume.

I thought it was a very good episode. The 40 minutes flew in. I can't stand the Korean flash backs so that makes it automatically better than last weeks.

JackKelly

Best of the three IMO. Back to good old Lost: mysterious island powers, polarbears, hunting, unusual character twists and inexplicable happenings.

The hallucination scene was one of the best scene's since season 1. Desmond in the forrest minus clothes is a bit mad and It'll be interesting to find out how they explain that. I liked Locke's back story and it was a change to see him behind such shady going's on. Wasn't expecting Eddie to be a cop either. I want to see how that back story plays out (if at all).

It seems Locke's bad spell of lack in faith is over. He was whimpering mess at the end of last season, blowing up the hatch and whatnot while now he is getting back in control of things, rescuing Eko etc.

Desmond is a big question mark IMO. He seems almost biblical. By the end of the episode - with his long hair and beard - he had almost Jesus like qualities about him. A definite to-be-continued.

anotherlostie

6

I knew I had seen Eddie somewhere before - waiting for him to be squashed instead of Cruise at some point.

On my original post, I mentioned Henry accidentally killing someone. This was the early hour speaking since we now call 'him' Ben, and we've no knowledge of how Henry Gale died, other than to speculate about Wizard of Oz type tornados.

I actually meant to say the guy that Desmond accidentally killed, Inman, since he was wearing a Dharma suit when he left the hatch on that fateful day the plane crashed. But then again that doesn't explain the toy truck, does it?

Töpher

9

I really, really enjoyed it. On first watching, one of the best episodes in a long long time!

Anima

8

Best episode in ages. Loved every minute of it. Although I thought the whole polar bear kidnapping Eko scenario a bit crap in fairness.

Chinafoot

8

Very enjoyable episode, much better than the last two imo.

Two "island extras" with lines...hmmm I guess they do have to replace some of those that they kill off. Obviously another story line brewing there.

It was great to have a Locke backstory, really enjoy those. Desmond is also great viewing (raawwrrr)

Hopefully more of the same to come next week.

Basq

5

peachypants wrote:

Two "island extras" with lines...hmmm I guess they do have to replace some of those that they kill off. Obviously another story line brewing there.

Yeah.. they were obviously the Paulo and Nikki TV.com were referring to.

Hyzepher

I think the Polar Bear taking Eko and the body/truck Locke found in the cave are probably down to the bears Hibernation process - gathering food etc. I don't thinkt he cave was used as a shelter for anyone - they just fell victim to the bear

Hyzepher

GrumPy

3

Anima wrote:

Best episode in ages. Loved every minute of it. Although I thought the whole polar bear kidnapping Eko scenario a bit crap in fairness.

yeah, and "Look, some polar bear fur"

*2 minutes later

They find more polar bear fur.... :rolleyes: Seemed pretty dumb to me.

Dapos

7

I liked this epiosode, back to the old lost and definatly the best of the 3 episdoes. Gave it 8/10. Thought the scences with locke on the island were very good. The flash back was a bit of a waste of time. Come on like all we want to know about lockes past is how he ended up in a wheelchair.

kevmy

6

It was a good enough episode. About as good as last weeks IMO. Definetly more mysterious and great to see Locke back to his old self. The backstory is again reinforcing the idea that the island gave him a new lease of life and a chance to correct all his old mistakes. A couple of odd/useless scenes bring it down a couple of levels for me.
Nice opening very reminicent of Jack in the first episode. It lacked the really good ending from last week and a bit of information of how Eko managed to get captured by polar bears we haven't seen in a season and a half.
I'm between giving it a 7 and an 8. I'll give it a 7 cos I feel it could have done it a little bit better.

Also Desmond's 'psychic' abilities possibly he went into the furture? Time anamolies that have been hinted at?

Voodoo2

9

Really enjoyed this episode, its a lot to the unanswered questions bin, like how did the hatch implode and they all survived!? The whole dejvu thing was pretty cool, I read somewhere that one of the old scene writers from s1 has come back again so people who noticed a very different approace in this ep would be right in believing this, I gave it 8 out of 10! welcome back lost!

I liked the episode. It's good to see it going back to the proper Losties again. Just one thing I'm worried about is how they're going to manage switching from one to the other for possibly the whole series, if not the majority of it?

Found it extremely funny how one of Hurleys tshirts was able to cover Desmond totally.

Also Desmond's 'psychic' abilities possibly he went into the furture? Time anamolies that have been hinted at?

Actually, thats very possible. Does anyone remember in Season 2 just after Sayid and Hurley picked up the other French womans communication, they tuned in the radio to listen to some music.

kevmy

6

Yeah i argued against it in the thread for the previous episode but I have to admit it's a possibility. Just as possible as Desmond getting 'Jesus' visions. I'm not convinced yet though and still belive there isn't a major time shift between island and real world. I guess we'll find out if we ever see Mike and Walt again.


Another thing I just remembered. In the final scene of last years finale we saw two 'Portuguese' guys and people said one of them looked a lot like Jack. If time is moving differently then it would be possible.

I think we should call in Mr. Data to sort it out

Old_-_School

The episode is Ok, but it makes us realise the series is completely disjointed which can't possibly work. Both camps need to be reconnected fast or else!!!
Other items ntoed:
Locke's driver's license has him as born in 1956 but his gun license says 1946.
Eddie's employee number is 84023.
We see Locke has a history with drugs and they also give him predictive powers like the way he saw himself spraying fire at the polar bear when in the Sweat lodge.
Is Charlie referring to his previous big role in Lord of the Rings when he says "Trees. I hear they're wonderful conversationalists."?

Also, I didn't see any scene with people having nookie in a tent. was that in the East Coast or West Coast version?

Haven't a Clue

5

WAIT...

Was that cop fella the dead girl's boyfriend in Mystic River?

Basq

5

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Was that cop fella the dead girl's boyfriend in Mystic River?

My "sources" (IMDB) say nope!

Am I the only one who saw a strange resemblence between the guy who played the apparent leader of Locke's family and Mr. Smiley (can't remember his name.. he had the fake beard) from the Others?

kevmy

6

Deleted User wrote:

Am I the only one who saw a strange resemblence between the guy who played the apparent leader of Locke's family and Mr. Smiley (can't remember his name.. he had the fake beard) from the Others?

Yes. Yes you are. Your not on the same stuff Locke is on by any chance:D

monkeyfudge

7

Great to see the return of Geronimo Jackson by the way.

Basq

5

monkeyfudge wrote:

Great to see the return of Geronimo Jackson by the way.

Ah yes.. forgot to mention that!

deman

9

Old_-_School wrote:

Is Charlie referring to his previous big role in Lord of the Rings when he says "Trees. I hear they're wonderful conversationalists."?

Hey, nicely spotted

Gave the show 10/10 this week because my palms got sweaty when Locke went into the cave

Basq

5

deman wrote:

Gave the show 10/10 this week because my palms got sweaty when Locke went into the cave

Speaking of which.. that moment reminded me a lot of Frodo entering Shelob's lair in 'Return Of The King' - maybe it was the other LOTR reference (as already mentioned) before it.

Beruthiel

7

What a great episode. Top notch, edge of your seat stuff.

Faith

6

I enjoyed it, but it wasn't amazing, apart from the hallucination scene. I immediately assumed time travel for Desmond. I recently read The Time Travelers Wife and whenever the character in that time travels, his clothes don't come with him. Maybe that's just me, though.

Takeshi_Kovacs

Good episode, it is great to see that Locke believes in the Island again. The sweat tent was great, must watch it again as there is sure to be some hidden stuff going on, especially when Boone was saying that Charlie and Claire did not need saving.. at least not just yet...
I know that Jack is thee main character, but for me Locke is the best.. So mysterious and 'special'. His flash backs are always great, and although this one wasn't his best flashback, it is a damn sight better than seeing Jake bawling his eyes out.. And when are we going to see how Locke lost the use of his legs....?? can't wait for that..

MarkR

Great episode I thought. The flash in the sweat lodge looked more like a bear rug rather than a real bear! Oh, and if the terminator has taught us anything, people with odd accents when travelling through time often leave their clothes behind. It's all very quantum.

Robin1982

Deleted User wrote:

Am I the only one who saw a strange resemblence between the guy who played the apparent leader of Locke's family and Mr. Smiley (can't remember his name.. he had the fake beard) from the Others?

I really thought that too - so similar, wouldn't be surprised if they are the same.

OFDM

5

Old_-_School wrote:

Is Charlie referring to his previous big role in Lord of the Rings when he says "Trees. I hear they're wonderful conversationalists."?

I like the LOTR jokes...

Some images....


Nice rack!:


Jesus Stick:


Gun record part 1:


Gun record part 2:


Gun record part 3:


Deputy Williams


Ia that a bear or a beaver on that Sheriff badge?:


Kate looking hot...


Kate still looking hot...


Flaming Bear Hallucination part 1:


Flaming Bear Hallucination part 2:

Basq

5

OFDM wrote:

Kate looking hot...


Kate still looking hot...

Humuna humuna humuna.. and so forth!


:eek: :eek: :eek:

OFDM

5

Mr Friendly Not Mr Friendly


Weed:


Rice rack!:


Officer Colburn


Is Locke hallucinating again when Eko speaks to him?


Clare looking hot...


Blank Dharma logo on sheet covering skeleton [edit] this appears to be the logo for The Pearl - the video monitoring station Locke and Eko found towards the end of season 2 [/edit]

godtabh

Faith wrote:

his clothes don't come with him.

That also happened in the Terminator films.

Another question as well is why did only Desmond lose his clothes? The others just looked a bit worse for ware!

I thought this has been the best in the series so far

gandalf

5

Hmmm I was a bit underwelmed by that episode. Maybe I need to watch it again.