Skirmish to be used for Airsoft? Maybe...?

Harekin

I sent the guys at Skirmish (paintball site in Roundwood) this email earlier and I thought Id post it up on here aswell as any possible responses.

Message:
Hello there. I was wondering given the changes to the law following the Criminal Justice Act regarding the sport of Airsoft(ie. it being legalised), would your company be interested in allowing Airsoft skirmishes to occur on your land (for a fee obviously)? Basically it could be the exact same as the paintball scenarios and rules, etc except we'd all be bringing our own guns, camo and safety equipment. There is alot of interest in this sport and alot of people now own airsoft guns and are eager to skirmish however the nearest skirmish site we can use in Ballynahinch, Co. Down in Northern Ireland. I think this could be a big business oppertunity for you guys and an oppertunity for us in the new Irish airsoft community to be able to play. I appreciate you taking the time to read this and should you need anymore information please do not hesitate to contact me on the above email address. Thank you,
*My name*

What you guys think?

o1s1n

fair play man. access to that site for airsoft would be amazing. and its not too far away either

actually, are paintballs biodegradable? maybe mention the fact that you can get biodegradable bbs. the thought of having little white pellets all over their site might turn them off. i know my mothers starting to get a little pissed with the state of the back garden lol

the_syco

o1s1n wrote:

are paintballs biodegradable?

Yes.

Harekin

All my bb's are biodegradable as standard.

o1s1n

i have a 6000 pack of Excel...

on the packaging it says

"special ecological plastic material is used for these bbs"

would that mean that the plastic used doesnt damage the enviornment OR that they're biodegradable?

i really dont fancy the idea of having to go out the back and pick them all up

Miscreant

If it does not say Bio-Degradable on the packaging for your BBs then it is a safe bet that they are not. Stating that they are safe for the environment basically means that they will not leech any harmful chemicals into the ground over time but they will not disappear either. I got a bottle of 3000 BBs with my AEG and it said Environmentally Safe but not bio-degradable.

-Strawbs-

Harekin wrote:

There is alot of interest in this sport and alot of people now own airsoft guns and are eager to skirmish however the nearest skirmish site we can use in Ballynahinch, Co. Down in Northern Ireland.

It is the nearest site at the moment but isnt Jaoibh opening a site, 'Wolfpack Airsoft' in Dublin soon?
Heres his post: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054918270&page=17

DanOB

sorry, but basically ur talking bout pellet guns yeah?

whupass

bb guns yea

Harekin

No they're Airsoft guns. Wolfpack Airsoft has been in the pipeline for quite a while however seemingly no actual movement has been made on it. Not even any updates. If it happens then great, however for now Im looking up other routes.

-Strawbs-

I guess you're right. He said all going well that it would be running by now, I guess all isnt 'Going Well'. Even if it does open at least the Paintball place would be another site to the list. I mean, how many sites are there in Britain, tons! So....The more the merrier! Good luck with that anyway.

o1s1n

hey Harekin, any reply from the guys at Skirmish yet?

i really wish i had the financial ability to start up my own skirmishing site. its such a good time to do so. Skirmish would want to be stupid to pass it up

ditpaintball

how about all the airsofters here face off with the paintballers here at skirmish some time in a game of paintball. Then when ever airsoft is allowed, we will do the same. All in the name of good healthy craic?

Harekin

ditpaintball wrote:

how about all the airsofters here face off with the paintballers here at skirmish some time in a game of paintball. Then when ever airsoft is allowed, we will do the same. All in the name of good healthy craic?

How about we use airsoft guns and you's use paintball ones...a true fight! We'll finally prove airsoft beats paintball.

[--SC(+)PE--]

How about we use airsoft guns and you's use paintball ones...a true fight! We'll finally prove airsoft beats paintball

That sounds like a good larf

ditpaintball

Harekin wrote:

How about we use airsoft guns and you's use paintball ones...a true fight! We'll finally prove airsoft beats paintball.

Perhaps. what safety gear to u have to use in air soft. We would have to make sure that all masks are suitable to each sport or i doubt it would ever be let happen.

Harekin

Well I personally use a pair of goggles and a balaclava.

On a more serious note tho, they aint replied yet...probably looking it up and stuff.

EyesOnly

Hope so im really in the need for some stress relief after this week

o1s1n

"How about we use airsoft guns and you's use paintball ones...a true fight! We'll finally prove airsoft beats paintball."

ah yeah, but we all know those paintball guys wouldnt take their hits

its a really cool idea actually. i wonder has it ever been tried out anywhere before?

whupass

how fast is your fastest airsoft gun o1s1n? 20 a sec?

well the '05 Ego i just bought has a much higher ROF and a 200 round hopper!

if we ever do this, you will all hurt, a lot!!

[--SC(+)PE--]

right whoes going bring the SAW [yes i know its rof aint higher but still]

ditpaintball

whupass wrote:

how fast is your fastest airsoft gun o1s1n? 20 a sec?

well the '05 Ego i just bought has a much higher ROF and a 200 round hopper!

if we ever do this, you will all hurt, a lot!!

i like your thinking......

but who you gona side with. the softies of the p8ntballers?

o1s1n

you have a paintball gun with a much higher ROF then 20 a sec? jesus christ. ive seen some speedball videos, but i didnt realise they fired so fast.

i couldnt possibly imagine any need for a ROF like that. unless of course you win your games by simply spraying the field

ditpaintball

my trigger can fire 30 paintballs per second. But the marker needs some upgrads to allow that with out ball breaks. It can get 15-18 bps comfy though.

Spraying the field is what speedball is about on the break. games can be over in 60seconds or less.

anyway back on topic......skirmish have not replied. Typical. They have prob forgotten or are just not interested.

kdouglas

i think a few phonecalls might be a good way to go....

NeMiSiS

"We are keeping your idea on file, in a filing cabeniet"
TK

Harekin

ditpaintball wrote:

my trigger can fire 30 paintballs per second. But the marker needs some upgrads to allow that with out ball breaks. It can get 15-18 bps comfy though.

Spraying the field is what speedball is about on the break. games can be over in 60seconds or less.

anyway back on topic......skirmish have not replied. Typical. They have prob forgotten or are just not interested.

Question is can you hold 1200 rounds at once without having to reload?

whupass

no 300 is the most i think, but you can have 2000ish on your back in a pack. and you can refill without taking off the hopper and stay shooting while loading

o1s1n

is there any major advantage of paintball markers/skirmishing (aside from the paint) over airsoft? from what ive heard, paintballs are a lot more expensive, hurt much more, require a FAC, are less accurate (im not so sure about this, i heard you have to arc your shots because of the weight of the projectile?)
and (in my opinion) look silly.

and no, this isnt a "my airsoft gun am pwns ur paintball gun" sh1te. just wondering

Big_G

Airsoft rifles have a hop up unit built into the gun which puts a spin on the projectile causing it to have a much straighter flight path than a paintball. This also gives the projectile greater range, but you sacrifice a few fps (I think).

Airsoft relies on honesty because you have no way to reliably tell if someone has been hit, so a person has to call their own hits.

Airsoft projectiles have much less energy as they have a lower muzzle velocity and weight and so they don't hurt nearly as much (IMO).

Harekin

Actually airsoft projectiles have a much higher muzzle velocity, their lower weight is what makes them hurt less...and after a while in paintball you depend on honesty. If someone has been killed previously then you might think you killed them when it turns out it was just a previous "battle scar".

o1s1n

im just trying to work out if there is really any advantage at all that would keep people playing paintball instead of airsoft. why dont they all just change over?

i love owning my guns as well as actually playing the game. probabaly due to some strange childhood fetish with the military.

BMAN26

Paintball v arisoft wouldnt be much of a fair fight...aeg's have better range, accuracy, and rof.

Scenario paintball is somewhat similar to airsoft witht the whole mil-sim aspect, but in truth, airsoft and paintball are two completely different games played with two completely different styles. One person may just like one style over the other, the very reason why they will both stick around.

Paintball tends to be a bit more comercialized and sporty, with prize winning competitions and so forth. Airsoft has remained (at least back in the states) a much more underground, played for fun, sim type game. The negative to having airsoft pro type competitions would be the honesty factor. Airsoft works on honor, when you add in monetary prizes and so forth, people are less willing to be honest. This is usually made up for by having big raffles at the end of games where everyone gets a good chance of winning new stuff!

Airsoft and paintball are just two different ways that people can go around getting their adrenaline fix!

whupass

airsoft has better accuracy???????? better ROF??????????????? better range????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

the tippman A-5 can go 250 feet straight without arcing!! like to see and aeg beat that!!!

the Spyder Electra bosts a 30 bps rof!!!

unless you use a .20 or .3ish bb the accuracy is SH!T

o1s1n

who uses anything under .20?
i would hardly call aeg accuracy sh!t. maybe YOU'RE accuracy is sh!t. mine deffinately isnt :P

whupass

i've seen some videos of "good" aegs and it wasn't the best. if you watch some paintball videos and look at the paint as it comes out of the barrel, they are all in a line going to the same place (actually looks like a rope ) and yes my accuracy is sh!t!! i spray and pray! seems to work

o1s1n

i know what you mean about the rope effect. my Tokyo Marui AEG does just that :P it shoots between 270-290fps stock. 300 high cap mag. 1000rpm. no dramatic arcing at all.

my UTG sniper, which is a low end sniper rife is still extremely accurate. around the 1 joule mark stock.

seriously, you need to fire one before you can shout things like

"their accuracy is sh!t!!!!"

whupass

well i was just a bit annoyed that someone had just dissed paintball

o1s1n

whupass wrote:

well i was just a bit annoyed that someone had just dissed paintball

no one is "dissing" anything. the guy said aeg's have a better accuracy, ROF and range. thats stating facts (be they true or untrue)

i have never fired a paintball gun so i cant compare any of my airsoft weapons to them. all i can say however, is that yes, they are damn accurate, have a mad rof (1000rpm for my famas and 1100 for my GBB mac 11) and shoot a good distance without much alteration to their course.

you really need to try out the sport before you go jumping down the paintball fanboy route :P

whupass

you need to try the sport before you go jumping down the airsoft fanboy route.

the spyder electra bosts 1800 a min and paintballs do dip but only after about a hundred feet with a stock barrel

o1s1n

i'm not being an airsoft fanboy. im just stating facts. you ARE being a paintball fanboy. fanboys get offended and attack people saying theyre "dissing" or "insulting" the thing they love.
you didnt invent paintball. paintball isnt your brother. why should you care what anyone says about it?

BMAN26

I apologize whupass if you thought i was in any way "dissing" paintball. I am not, nor did I intend for that to be implied. I was merely stating a fact as I know it having fired both. Furthermore I can also rely upon the statements by former and current professional paintballers I know and play with. Paintball tend to engage at a shorter distance than airsoft because of the range issue. I am not saying one is better than the other at all, just that they are two different types of playing styles.

A tippman A5 is indeed accurate, perhaps more accurate than some low quality aeg's, but overall airsoft guns with hop up and a decent barrel are extremely accurate. Again, I am sorry if you are offended by this but if I had my aeg here in Ireland I would happily let you test it against your paintball gun, alas I do not. The new apex barrel is helping to revolutionize paintball tactics, but at a price of between 75-150, it is a lot more expensive than most airsoft accessories. All I was trying to say was that paintball and airsoft are two different sports and no one needs to "convert" between one or the other.

o1s1n

so..back to that paintballers vs airsofters match

whupass

oh no BMAN i wasn't just talking about you, there was a lot of people saying airsoft is better (not in those words). i wasn't angry or anything i just like ?????????????s and !!!!!!!!s

i just ALWAYS thought of bbs as really inacurate

o1s1n

...sure paintballs are just large bbs full of paint.

theyre both spherical projectiles. which is an unstable shape when flying through the air.

i wasnt necessarily saying airsoft is "better". what i meant was, its more economical money wise, less painful, seems to be more accurate with a longer range, weapons are more realistic. also doesnt require a FAC to own.

i was wondering are hard core paintballers being stubborn? or are there reasons you need to stick with paintball? ie; for competative playing in teams for prizes

whupass

i'm on a team sure, and in paintball you can actually make a carreer of it becasue there is less cheating (no slaging intended)

o1s1n

there's less cheating?
not so. its just harder to get away with cheating in paintball because the paint marks you. buy they dont always burst.
basically, cheating is nothing to do with the sport. its the honestly of the people playing. if players arent honest, the sport wont work and everyone might as well go home!

whupass

in paintball if it doesn't it it doesn't count, so people buy soft rubbery masks that help bounces, and HOPE for bounces (even though it hurts more) but yeah there is cheating in both games but it is easier to get away with in airsoft so you'd get the od person who's playing for the first time who'd go "ahh sure they'll never know"

but in paintball they might not go "ahh sure this will wipe off easily"

BMAN26

Cheating sucks for everyone. The one gripe I had with paintball when I played was that there was a great incentive for cheating which made it almost ok. I can recall watching on tv a paintball match where one player clearly wipes and the ref misses it. The announcer basically made it out as if that in itself is a part of the game. With airsoft there is less of a need to cheat, people still do it, because there are idiots everywhere. However, cheaters are noticed, ,and if it continues, they get blacklisted, ie not invited to games or allowed to participate in large operations. I only wish paintball did more of this, especially at the competitive level! Airsofters take cheating very seriously, not necessarily more than paintballers, it is just a more crucial aspect to keeping our game fun, we have no paint, so we have to trust each other and respect one another. When that broken, your screwed.

KutjeBef

Should Skirmish not want airsoft on their property, surely there are other paintball sites that can be contacted in Ireland?

Harekin

Plus there is such thing as a punishment shoot in airsoft...Ill let you's figure that out for yourselves.

If Skirmish remain unresponsive I will certainly contact more paintballing places...anyone care to gimme a list of ones in the (rough) Dublin/Wicklow area?