Censorshim & Sharia

desiredbard

Hobbes wrote:

Not the forum for these kinds of posts. Moved to Humanities. Please read both charters. Thanks.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52230359#post52230359

A religious statement does not belong in a subforum covering topics regarding this same religion?

Leinster should fly flag of Islam
The flag of Islam should be flown over Leinster House, an islamic extremist said last night. Speaking in Dublin, Anjem Choudray said: 'As a Muslim, I believe Islam is superior to every other way of life and that it can resolve all the social and economic problems that Ireland suffers from. As a symbol of that, the flag of Islam should be flown over the Dáil (NL=Parlement).'

The Brittish born Lawyer addedadded: 'This is symbolic of the fact that all societies will be run betteraccording to Gods Law.

Would that be because of the fact that it is criticising this "all problem solving" religion?

(Resolving by: public executions, decapitation, head-taxes , oppression of women, indoctrination, character assassination)

Why cant this discussion not be raised in the subforum it is applicable to?


Well let me ask another question that so far has never been answered.
And which I see as root cause of Islamophobia.
The fact that the question has never been answered does make me suspect that Muslims do not lie about their religious beliefs, however it raises questionmarks towards the term "moderate"

OK here we go.

IF the republic of Ireland / Western Europe would move towards or embrace the implementation of Sharia Law would you.

A) Resist this physically
Resist this by debate
C) Do Nothing / emigrate
D) Kind of Support this, (not oppose it) since it is the in the Qu'ran and not doing so will make you a "bad/non muslim"
E) Fully support this and aid th implementation because its the will of Allah


And before we implement cencorship again. This is, I think, a normal question which if asked me regarding; "fill in any religion (or none) by choice" will be answered and explained.

babyvaio

desiredbard wrote:

E)
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desiredbard

babyvaio wrote:

E)
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Oh and I do not expect sarcasm in a serious question which is the root of the assumed growing islamophobia which is fed by the reasoning that the answer is D or E.


I respect your honousty but not the way of thinking.
On re-instatement of the spanish inquisition I would answer B -> A as well

babyvaio

desiredbard wrote:

Oh and I do not expect sarcasm in a serious question which is the root of the assumed growing islamophobia which is fed by the reasoning that the answer is D or E.


I respect your honousty but not the way of thinking.
On re-instatement of the spanish inquisition I would answer B -> A as well

E)
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PS It's not sarcasm and BTW how did you manage to get my way of thinking based on 5 E) answers??

PS2 I on the other hand do not respect you attacking Islam (Resolving by: public executions, decapitation, head-taxes , oppression of women, indoctrination, character assassination) without first acquiring some base knowledge about Islam thus leaving the ignorant channels you are swimming in now.

desiredbard

babyvaio wrote:

E)
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PS It's not sarcasm and BTW how did you manage to get my way of thinking based on 5 E) answers??

PS2 I on the other hand do not respect you attacking Islam (Resolving by: public executions, decapitation, head-taxes , oppression of women, indoctrination, character assassination) without first acquiring some base knowledge about Islam thus leaving the ignorant channels you are swimming in now.

E = would fully support the sharia implemented in Western Europe Ireland.

I do agree that in order to criticise something one needs to have at least a bit of knowledge on the subject, comparison to this knowledge and an ability to think.

Personally if you don’t like the laws of a country I think you should emigrate/ seek asylum to or in a place that is more to your mindset. For you I would suggest the likes of Iran or Afghanistan unless i misinterpreted your E) answer. The other way around, I should not go live in Iran Saudi Arabia, or the Emirates and try to get things my way by insisting on shaking hands, organising gay parades (On this account Ireland could be a bit more RC) .

In all fairness now the discussion in http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52232651&posted=1#post52232651 seems to take of, in contrast to what I believed would have happened.

Being a foreign national myself from a country where multi-****ing-cultural has gone ballistic and freedom of speech only seems to work only one way, I probably do not have a fully neutral view on this subject. But reading and experiencing (when back "home" <home is ireland>) what is happening on the Mainland (no not the UK) Ireland might be lucky with the poor 80's they had since it does not have to cope with a LARGE group of LOUD and DEMANDING, 1st 2nd and 3rd generation of Immigrants that would like to bring things back to the dark-middle ages, as far as I am concerned.

Muslim Religious Law, results in scenes that have last been seen through Europe during the Spanish inquisition and the Cromwellian wars. (And so for that matter would Catholic or Lutheran government be if the stepped back to the letter of their churches (not the NT scriptures)

babyvaio

desiredbard, what's your problem BTW? you got scared that God's True Law might become The Law here in Ireland?

Did somebody say something you didn't like on Soc subforum so you decided to come here on this one here?

PS I would die to see Sharia Law here BTW

And now let me tell you something extra. I've seen your initial post and the moderators in that particular subforum should be ashamed of themselves because they let you write what you wrote. And what you wrote is full of hatred and hostility and even evil, but most of all - a complete ignorance. I honestly don't care where are you coming from and where are you going to, but I will advise you of a few things.

Sharia Law is God's Law. The very same and only God who created all this and created you as well, just so that you know. It's your business if you believe in Him or not, but you should know something. If Sharia Law was also the country law in these so-called highly developed western countries, then their morality would go sky-high, cos most of these moral (read: immoral) western values which so many people believe in nowadays would vanish into void:

- homosexuality
- drug traffic & addiction
- child abuse
- family violence
- adultery
- alcohol addiction & related problems
- unjust usury a.k.a. rip-off interest rates
- general immorality
- hipocrisy
- murder
- robbery
- inequality between sexes (yes, you got that right, i.e. women probably have less rights in west than in the Islamic countries)
- pornography
- paedophilia
- sexual harassment
- etc.

The list is much longer and goes on and on. Now about your so-called freedom of speech. You still cannot say what you want in the west without consequences. There are rules. You don't live in a jungle so you can scream like you know who and nobody says a word. If you think freedom of speech is absolute, then go and try to publish something nasty about someone who has a so-called high position in society or power to stop you and you'll see what happens. Or try and go to opera and start screaming like you know who and wait to see what happens. They'll kick you out in a second at least. Just like that. See, immoral freedom of speech is not welcome anywhere and probably this is what you meant. Bottom line - you cannot say what you want where you want it just like that - you still have to obey certain rules of society.

So I don't know what your problem really is, but ignorance is at the top of the list with your problems. And I tried to be the nicest guy here, so no offense ha? :cool:

SkepticOne

The flag of Islam should be flown over Leinster House, an Islamic extremist said tonight.

Speaking in Dublin before addressing a Trinity College debate, Anjem Choudray also reiterated controversial views that Muslim violence is justified in certain circumstances.

I would not take anything terribly seriously that has been said in some college debate.

It might seem a nice idea to this guy because of his religion but that is as far as it goes. I'm sure he realises that Ireland is a democratic country not a Muslim theocratic one and that that is not about to change. If he really wants some sort of Islamic flag flown over the Dail, or some aspect of Sharia law to be brought into national law then he has to convince the elected representatives of the people. Until such time he can do this then he knows he is merely posturing at a student debating society.

desiredbard

desiredbard wrote:

IF the republic of Ireland / Western Europe would move towards or embrace the implementation of Sharia Law would you.

A) Resist this physically
Resist this by debate
C) Do Nothing / emigrate
D) Kind of Support this, (not oppose it) since it is the in the Qu'ran and not doing so will make you a "bad/non muslim"
E) Fully support this and aid th implementation because its the will of Allah

And so far still no further answers

Hobbes

desiredbard wrote:

And so far still no further answers

Heres your answer.

1. Read the forums charters before posting.

2. This thread has been moved to feedback.

3. There was no censorship. If there was your initial post would of been binned rather then moved and I would of banned you outright.

Consider this a warning on the Islam forum, read the charter. I am surprised you haven't so far since I have banned you before.

If you wish to continue on your topic do so in feedback or as per the charter rules.

Oh and I'm on holiday. I am not on your beck and call. Your thread being moved to another forum has absolutly nothing to do with Sharia law.

DeVore

If this guy posts this sort of post in the Islam forum again, someone site ban him.

It should be in Humanities. End of.

DeV.

ps: WTF?
pps: Read the Charters.

D

babyvaio wrote:

If Sharia Law was also the country law in these so-called highly developed western countries, then their morality would go sky-high, cos most of these moral (read: immoral) western values which so many people believe in nowadays would vanish into void:

Babyvaio, I admit that I am completely ignorant to/about Sharia Law, but would you please further explain this statement. How in your view would Sharia Law be an improvment to the current law concerning you previous list of imorality?

babyvaio wrote:

- inequality between sexes (yes, you got that right, i.e. women probably have less rights in west than in the Islamic countries)

What rights do women in Islamic countries have that women in "western countries" do not?

seamus

D, this thread is about feedback, not about the implementation of Sharia Law in Western society.

There is a thread on it in the Humanities forum.

Sam Vimes

babyvaio wrote:

PS I would die to see Sharia Law here BTW

What does Islam say about suicide?

Whoever commit suicide will go to hell according to islam.
So islam is not responsiple for the acts done by some ignorants who don't represent islam.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061013135102AASSHMX

i really hope you're joking. read my post in the humanities thread for a full rubbishing of your post

desiredbard

Hobbes wrote:

Heres your answer.

1. Read the forums charters before posting.

2. This thread has been moved to feedback.

3. There was no censorship. If there was your initial post would of been binned rather then moved and I would of banned you outright.

Consider this a warning on the Islam forum, read the charter. I am surprised you haven't so far since I have banned you before.

If you wish to continue on your topic do so in feedback or as per the charter rules.

Oh and I'm on holiday. I am not on your beck and call. Your thread being moved to another forum has absolutly nothing to do with Sharia law.

The first one has.....
I Ask a question here twice that belongs in the islam forum since It concerns Muslims. And I am interested in Muslims. The questions is rephrased on catholics in the moved thread since I would like to know the answers of them and atheist as well.

I do not intend to offent although certain baby's try to get others to flame.

Why do you not let me ask a question to a certain target group????

GoneShootin

I'm glad I'm a non-practising atheist.

Hobbes

desiredbard wrote:

Why do you not let me ask a question to a certain target group????

What part of read the charter don't you understand?

You know muslims do read other boards, they don't all huddle in the Islam forum.

And based on how you worded your post and previous posts in the forum it was clear you are not interested in a real answer.

bonkey

desiredbard wrote:

belongs in the islam forum since It concerns Muslims.

You seem to be labouring nuder tbhe misconception that your opinion of where something belongs is of greater relevance and importance than things like charters which tell you what is and is not suitable for any given forum.

Or put differently, it doesn't matter a flying fig why you think it belongs in teh Islam forum if the charter disagrees with you, The mods job is to uphold the charter, rather than to allow every action that a poster feels they are justified in making.

I do not intend to offent although certain baby's try to get others to flame.
...
Why do you not let me ask a question to a certain target group????

Maybe he thinks you're too big a baby*.

* Note - you cannot find being called a baby offensive given that you used the same term about other posters here whilst saying you don't intend to be offensive.

babyvaio

babyvaio wrote:

Apologies.I just seen Seamus's message.I'll put my post in humanities.

desiredbard

Hobbes wrote:

What part of read the charter don't you understand?

You know muslims do read other boards, they don't all huddle in the Islam forum.

And based on how you worded your post and previous posts in the forum it was clear you are not interested in a real answer.

I know that, although some might, it also would keep non-muslims out of the quotation in answering it.

Baby-sony is either way an extremely dangerous person, as a muslim, or as a stormfront, WP, figure posing to be muslim and trying to incite fobia (Something muslims do not need any help with since they can do that well enough by themnselves.)

I hoped that appart from getting an answer to the questio that Muslims would also reasw the reason for the so called assumed fobia is that non muslims, think/fear that if push comes to shove the so called prada-muslims will side with the Ayatollah's and Fundi's. due to the fact that one Moslim can according to the Qu'ran not criticise another, hence the five answers

I do respect different believes although I do not nescessarely agree with them (Its called freedom of opionion. This should not result in censorship
or has there been an establishment of an own little subforum with sharia rules, (Put up or shut up or we silence you?)

Maybe the ability to agree to disagree might do all users in the islam subforum some good.... ok probably needs to be moderated more strictly on flaming and remarks that are not supported.

DublinWriter

desiredbard wrote:

E = would fully support the sharia implemented in Western Europe Ireland.

Oh really? So it would be ok to have women accused of infidelity plugged at close range in the back of the head with an AK-47 in Shelbourne Park?

Dude, I've seen the video of the above in Kabul as documented by the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/523238.stm).

In every religion we have zealots. Don't forget that it wasn't too long ago that Christians were burning people at the stake for crimes of heresy (or 'hearsay') and the Vatican condoned the use of torture as a means of interrogation.

In 21st century the Ireland of today we are at the end point of a long and torturous road for humanitarian values, of the right of Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter to pracitise and worship how they choose and not to be hindered by each others' arcane religious values.

You probably speak as one who has never personally borne witness to the inhumane regime of the Taliban, a regime much maligned by the majority of right thinking Muslims in the world today, they are truly the 'Amish' of the Muslim world.

Personally speaking, if you want to establish Sharia law in Ireland, it will be over my death Buddhist body, and the dead bodies of Catholics, and the dead bodies of Protestants, and the dead bodies of many of your brother Muslims.

Hobbes

Oh really? So it would be ok to have women accused of infidelity plugged at close range in the back of the head with an AK-47 in Shelbourne Park?

This thread is discussing the reason the thread was moved. Use humanities. Better yet, go do some reading as you have no fricken clue.

desiredbard, again you were not censored stop acting as if you were.

DeVore

Why do you not let me ask a question to a certain target group????

Because you want to.

Those religious forums are for followers of that religion and interested others to share information and discuss their religion. Not for them to have to answer every crackpot who comes along this week with a chip on his phobia.

Btw, the rule was created to protect the christianity forum.

In return we ask for a no-prosletysing agreement which all religious forums have more or less kept to. Humanities is the forum for inter-race inter-religion debate. So your post was moved there.

DeV.

desiredbard

DublinWriter wrote:

Oh really? So it would be ok to have women accused of infidelity plugged at close range in the back of the head with an AK-47 in Shelbourne Park?

Dude, I've seen the video of the above in Kabul as documented by the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/523238.stm).

In every religion we have zealots. Don't forget that it wasn't too long ago that Christians were burning people at the stake for crimes of heresy (or 'hearsay') and the Vatican condoned the use of torture as a means of interrogation.

In 21st century the Ireland of today we are at the end point of a long and torturous road for humanitarian values, of the right of Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter to pracitise and worship how they choose and not to be hindered by each others' arcane religious values.

You probably speak as one who has never personally borne witness to the inhumane regime of the Taliban, a regime much maligned by the majority of right thinking Muslims in the world today, they are truly the 'Amish' of the Muslim world.

Personally speaking, if you want to establish Sharia law in Ireland, it will be over my death Buddhist body, and the dead bodies of Catholics, and the dead bodies of Protestants, and the dead bodies of many of your brother Muslims.

I do hope you get that was a quote of Babyvaio.

If I'm back in the Netherlands with my wife and she wears a knee length skirt she is getting verbal abuse and hand on her arse. The moment I spoke out I got threathened and when to (obviously) gay guys took my side things turned really nasty. Thats exactly why my option would be B then A against sharia as much as papal law. (I tried C already )

It has gone completely bonkers there,
Refusing to show basic forms of respect as shaking a hand with a person is religious freedom. We must onderstand that the hand is an erotic zone...(bunch of wanckers) However speaking out against behaviour as above or refusing someone a public facing role because he refuses to shake hands is racism, and islamophobia.

My worry is that with this kind of misplaced respect for the followers Prophet Mohammed (who's actually a bit of a communist -> Your allowed 4 wives but I take 12 because I'm the boss) , breeds racism, there the understanding is only supposed to come one way. People who went alomng with that ride for a while and are now changing their minds are suddenly islamophobes .....

desiredbard

Hobbes wrote:

This thread is discussing the reason the thread was moved. Use humanities. Better yet, go do some reading as you have no fricken clue.

desiredbard, again you were not censored stop acting as if you were.

Then Put the question back in the original forum where it will be read by the target group. To level things up I'll post a simmilar question regarding papal law in the RC forum ok?

How can a question be offensive?

Hobbes

Oh STFU, really.

You clearly are incapable of reading a charter.

Or for that matter even seeing what I did. I didn't delete your post from the Islam forum. I moved your post to the Humanities forum and I even left a redirect in the Islam forum meaning that anyone who is a reader of that forum could click a link in that forum and be redirected to your post.

So your pissant whining is just that.

If you need help with your persecution complex though let me know and I'll permantly ban you from the forum.

Oh and the report post is to the left, but I warn you the reported posts forum is under sharia law so your liable to be beheaded....muppet.

Victor

desiredbard wrote:

Censorshim & Sharia

What is "Censorshim"?

babyvaio

desiredbard wrote:

I do hope you get that was a quote of Babyvaio.

If I'm back in the Netherlands with my wife and she wears a knee length skirt she is getting verbal abuse and hand on her arse. The moment I spoke out I got threathened and when to (obviously) gay guys took my side things turned really nasty. Thats exactly why my option would be B then A against sharia as much as papal law. (I tried C already )

It has gone completely bonkers there,
Refusing to show basic forms of respect as shaking a hand with a person is religious freedom. We must onderstand that the hand is an erotic zone...(bunch of wanckers) However speaking out against behaviour as above or refusing someone a public facing role because he refuses to shake hands is racism, and islamophobia.

My worry is that with this kind of misplaced respect for the followers Prophet Mohammed (who's actually a bit of a communist -> Your allowed 4 wives but I take 12 because I'm the boss) , breeds racism, there the understanding is only supposed to come one way. People who went alomng with that ride for a while and are now changing their minds are suddenly islamophobes .....

1st of all, Ur posts about this are just ALL OVER THE PLACE!

Let me answer you about more than 4 wives for the Prophets (may God's blessings and peace be upon him). Actually, I partially answered your questions in another subforum - they were the mothers of the believers and he did not marry them cos of the sexual desires.

Now I ask you - didn't prophet Salomon (peace be upon him) have 700 (yes, seven hundred!) wives? What do you say about that? And how many wives were other people beside him allowed to take (read: marry)?

babyvaio

Hobbes wrote:

Oh STFU, really.

You clearly are incapable of reading a charter.

Or for that matter even seeing what I did. I didn't delete your post from the Islam forum. I moved your post to the Humanities forum and I even left a redirect in the Islam forum meaning that anyone who is a reader of that forum could click a link in that forum and be redirected to your post.

So your pissant whining is just that.

If you need help with your persecution complex though let me know and I'll permantly ban you from the forum.

Oh and the report post is to the left, but I warn you the reported posts forum is under sharia law so your liable to be beheaded....muppet.

Oh Hobbes man, I've been going thru some hard times lately, but U just made me laugh like crazy!

I'd vote that post of yours for The Vote of The Forum.

amp

I second that vote! Another quality moderating decision.

And the moral of this argument is READ THE CHARTER DUH!

Gordon

babyvaio wrote:

1st of all, Ur posts about this are just ALL OVER THE PLACE!

Lollerf*ckingironypants.

Talliesin

I think what we are dealing with is a matter of which of these possibilities are less damaging to the OP's ego:

1. He posted in the wrong forum because he is such a simpleton that he can't read a simple charter and realise he was posting in the wrong forum.
2. It's all a conspiracy man, boards.ie is part of the Green Peril's fifth column!

vs the question of which is more likely to be true:

1. He posted in the wrong forum because he is such a simpleton that he can't read a simple charter and realise he was posting in the wrong forum.
2. It's all a conspiracy man, boards.ie is part of the Green Peril's fifth column!

Sam Vimes

babyvaio wrote:

Oh Hobbes man, I've been going thru some hard times lately, but U just made me laugh like crazy!

I'd vote that post of yours for The Vote of The Forum.

what happened to closing your account? not so offended anymore?

desiredbard

babyvaio wrote:

1st of all, Ur posts about this are just ALL OVER THE PLACE!

Let me answer you about more than 4 wives for the Prophets (may God's blessings and peace be upon him). Actually, I partially answered your questions in another subforum - they were the mothers of the believers and he did not marry them cos of the sexual desires.

Now I ask you - didn't prophet Salomon (peace be upon him) have 700 (yes, seven hundred!) wives? What do you say about that? And how many wives were other people beside him allowed to take (read: marry)?

No I believe you fully..... no sexual desires.
Muslims seem to be able to be fully in control of those.

Hence women having to cover up

I mean premature ejaculation all over the place once you see an earlobe...

But its ok since you cant blame the Cat/Rat for eating from uncovered meat:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6086374.stm


Wether Salomon had 700 wifes, God bless his poor back, is not interesting here since he did not dictate to others to have a maximum of less than he did...bit hypocritical...Like the old "communist" russia.... everyone equal but the government is a bit more equal than the people...

Furthermore I am happy to detect some intellect in even the lowest life forms on this board.
You are all quite right I cannot be arsed reading a "charter" ... especially if that charter denies freedom of speach end imposes censorship....

That some people compensate their lack of braincells with the length of their toes...so be it
Its just amazing how many of you have their head so far up one anothers arse that you can lick the breakfast rests from the back of their teeth.

The dumb, blind quotations of whatever holly book you run after, without giving it a minutes tought is unbvelievable.
The f-ing "may God's blessings and peace be upon him" is as usefefull and contributing as writing "God Bless" if I would know one off you has sneezed. Apparet from one or two here no one would understand the meaning of either.....

And on that note.... to All muslims here, I say: "God Bless"

Talliesin

And this is feedback about this site, how?