Pearse St development

notjim

Got planning today: demolition of 183-187 Pearse St, the ones with the handsome Edwardian (?) shop fronts, move the facades to the next set of houses, demolish the Simon Perry building, thank god, and the nice red victorian building beside it, demolish the block with the health center and build three new buildings, rising to six stories and create a new square beside the theatre, very nice in the pictures, though the loss of 183-187 is regretable.

xebec

Any details online?

ApeXaviour

Changed the name to Pearse St developments. Northeast corner better refers to the new naughton institute.

Xebec, all I could find online was this http://www.tcd.ie/Buildings/projectspearcestreet.php
Where did you get your info notjim?

What is the simon perry building? I couldn't find it listed here http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/a2z.html

183-187 pearse st? How will that affect the swipe access on the adjacent pearse st gate?

notjim

The details are what I remember from reading the planning notice when it went up and from the archiseek.com discussion of that time, the fact it has now been passed by aBP is in todays times.

The Simon Perry building is the civil (?) engineering building at the northeast corner of the rugby pitch, basically everything between the rugby pitch and the pearse st terrace between the theatre to the luce building is going.

If I understand correctly there will be a new, manned, enterance to college either through the Naughton Building or through this new development, so persumably the gate under the bridge will go.

ApeXaviour

Hmm.. I'm going to be living in the Pearse st residences when I come back from Denmark. When is building set to start? I'd rather not have to listen to the ongoing demolition while studying for my finals (or worse, have where I'm living torn down! )

Some pics:




What will these ugly lookin buildings (that are replacing the civil engineering building etc) be? And where abouts is this square you speak of?

Boston

Well I'm thankfull I'm not a civil engineer starting in trinity. They've feic all facilities as it is, now they'll have nothing for the duration of the works.

notjim

So there was talk of a square beside the theatre, one is sort of visible in this photo, but it is possible that this was originally supposed to be bigger, involving the demolition of the nuzum bros building and the bycycle factory, there was a cg picture to that effect in like the record (?) a few years ago. Possibly it was decided that this was a much loved building and to move much of the square to the area where 183-187 are.

I don't know what's going in these buildings, all sorts of things I think, I don't agree they are ugly though, they look quite fine to me, with some reservation about how they address the botany building. I am certainly pleased they will be putting accomadation in the upper stories of the old houses.

Civil engineering porta-cabins for the win!

I assume. Still think it's mad to demolish the Simon Perry building.

Sparks

So that's the Boxing, Windsurfing, Canoeing, Sub-Aqua and Rifle clubs all kicked out? We were assured left, right and centre by the Department of Sport that that would never happen, that that row of buildings wouldn't be knocked down until they had built the new sports facilities and so forth...

Sparks

Myth wrote:

Still think it's mad to demolish the Simon Perry building.

It is subsiding at the east end, isn't it? But the name has to be kept on, Prof earned that much and more.

europerson

I hadn't realised that the Pearse Street development was going to involve knocking the Simon Perry Building. While I agree that the particular section of College involved is much under-utilised and that College needs to address the issue of Pearse Street's death, I don't see how this would be achieved by removing fundamental aspects of the street's character. In twenty years time, College might have the same bad reputation as the ESB, when it knocked houses on Fitzwilliam Street.

Also, I had not realised the scale of the project. The whole look of College from College Park will be significantly altered. While the Ussher Library, for example, with its glass wall overlooking College Park neatly and without intrusion blends in with the atmosphere of College's inner sanctum, I feel that the new Pearse Street development might be too brash, especially considered in the context of the Botany Building and the Law School.

That said, hopefully the buildings won't be as bland as the SNIAM and Lloyd Institute. The artist's impressions make the building look like a Flackturm.

Sorry for the rambling post.

notjim

Sparks wrote:

So that's the Boxing, Windsurfing, Canoeing, Sub-Aqua and Rifle clubs all kicked out? We were assured left, right and centre by the Department of Sport that that would never happen, that that row of buildings wouldn't be knocked down until they had built the new sports facilities and so forth...

They just got planning permission, it doesn't mean that they are about to demolish anything, it seems unlikely that there won't be knocking anything down until after the new sports center opens etc

xeduCat

AFAIK they haven't figured out how to pay for it yet (there have been multiple planning apps and appeals for this development and it's been under active consideration since I came to college back in 1874 or whenever).

If you use the Dublin City Council planning search website, you can get a huge amount of photomontages, drawings, documents, reports under case files 3875/03 and 4783/03. (To the best of my knowledge, there were two separate planning applications as the tax break for student residence (the former s. 50 of one of the Finance Acts, now repealed) was going to expire and they needed to get 'started'). So even though it's one project, the residence bit and the non-residence bit were separate sets of drawings. And this may have changed a lot during the process...

Andrew 83

europerson wrote:

I hadn't realised that the Pearse Street development was going to involve knocking the Simon Perry Building. While I agree that the particular section of College involved is much under-utilised and that College needs to address the issue of Pearse Street's death, I don't see how this would be achieved by removing fundamental aspects of the street's character. In twenty years time, College might have the same bad reputation as the ESB, when it knocked houses on Fitzwilliam Street.

To be honest I think Trinity already has a very bad reputation in the area for basically buying up the street then leaving it derilict.

Sparks

there have been multiple planning apps and appeals for this development and it's been under active consideration since I came to college back in 1874 or whenever

xedu, I was a postgrad when they first floated the idea, so don't feel so old

Thanks for the links...

Tacitha

Andrew 83 wrote:

To be honest I think Trinity already has a very bad reputation in the area for basically buying up the street then leaving it derilict.

It has, but the Pearse Street Residents' Association is now consulted (genuinely) on new developments there. That's a large part of the Community Liaison Officers' job. As far as I know, they have agreed to this new plan, but the Dublin Georgian Society and Taisce have or had objections.

europerson

Andrew 83 wrote:

To be honest I think Trinity already has a very bad reputation in the area for basically buying up the street then leaving it derilict.

I know that. I'm saying they ought to change that and rejuvenate Pearse Street.

Nietzschean

bah by right we should be putting in 10 - 20 story buildings there, college could do with the space...... entire college has been forced into being too small, 4 - 5 storys really is redilicious in a city centre location....... we could actually have a decent ammount of on campus accodmation , and offices for staff if we were allowed build up...and well a bit of modernisation of pearse street wouldn't be a bad thing imo............

Tricity Bendix

What stops us from building up?

Tacitha

b.ie curious wrote:

What stops us from building up?

Aren't there city council guidelines? Not the Pearse Street issue particularly anyway - they are building up reasonably high in the Docklands where similar community issues exist. One of the main requests there is for increased footfall on Pearse Street, which higher buildings might encourage.
I would say the Georgian Society / Taisce are more of an issue. But don't most European cities ban high buildings in the historic centre? We could more likely do something like that down at the buildings we own towards Ringsend - I agree that Dublin needs higher density offices and housing over all, but there might be a special case to be made for most of the main campus remaining low-rise.

Pet

Nietzschean wrote:

bah by right we should be putting in 10 - 20 story buildings there, college could do with the space...... entire college has been forced into being too small, 4 - 5 storys really is redilicious in a city centre location....... we could actually have a decent ammount of on campus accodmation , and offices for staff if we were allowed build up...and well a bit of modernisation of pearse street wouldn't be a bad thing imo............

I agree, a few high rises on that end of college could serve quite useful.

CmcC

There are plans for a high rise building at the hamilton end, that is also to be redeveloped. The Wellcome Biochem building and the back of chemistry and the whole anatomy dept are to be demolished and redeveloped with a signature 10-15 story building around where the back of physiology/comp labs in huts are.
I remember writing an article for the record three years ago on the plans for pearse st that are as seen in the planning app. Its amazing how long it takes to do stuff. Drawings of hamilton end with proper square and trees are really nice.
Also, if i recall there are plans to develop a block of buildings with underground car parking along nassau st from the ussher to the moyne. That will be a serious money earner in terms of office/hotel/shop space.
The buildings website has some cool stuff. Check out the development plan for college/space usage that was part of the strategic plan.

Pet

The Wellcome Biochem building and the back of chemistry and the whole anatomy dept are to be demolished and redeveloped

It's about time, the biochemistry building is utter gick.

Ideo

CmcC wrote:

There are plans for a high rise building at the hamilton end, that is also to be redeveloped. The Wellcome Biochem building and the back of chemistry and the whole anatomy dept are to be demolished and redeveloped with a signature 10-15 story building around where the back of physiology/comp labs in huts are.
I remember writing an article for the record three years ago on the plans for pearse st that are as seen in the planning app. Its amazing how long it takes to do stuff. Drawings of hamilton end with proper square and trees are really nice.
Also, if i recall there are plans to develop a block of buildings with underground car parking along nassau st from the ussher to the moyne. That will be a serious money earner in terms of office/hotel/shop space.
The buildings website has some cool stuff. Check out the development plan for college/space usage that was part of the strategic plan.

link?

Sparks

Did this ever progress to the point of getting a start date at all?