Internet Explorer 7 Released

MartMax

From TheHotFix

Although IE7 final is not yet on Microsoft's official site, you can still get the final version of IE7 via the Yahoo! integrated bundle. To download IE7 final, go to http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php, download the file, extract it with a program like WinRAR, and the run the ie7-setup.exe file. You'll get the final build of IE7 7.0.5730.11.

Enjoy!

Any test pigs wanna try?

Mart

Ruu_Old

Pff, think I'll stick with Firefox. The beta versions of IE refused to work for me at all so I won't be downloading it anytime soon. Integrated bundle indeed!

justsomebloke

I installed build 7.0.5346.5 a few months ago and I have to say that I hated it, I just don't like the set up of it at all. So like ruu I will be sticking to firefox as that is basically what IE7 is trying to be like

Catsmokinpot

I'm using IE7 right now on vista RC1, and i must say (coming from a dedicated firefox user) that IE7 really is quite nice. Firstly, i love the homepage function in internet options, basically you can set multiple homepages that open in tabs when IE starts.

When an error happens with IE it closes but saves all your info and restarts IE so you dont end up losing a couple of hours of work over one error, all websites display perfectly...

and finally if someone has programmed a little POS spyware program into a website, windows detects that it wants to make changes to you're pc and asks for your permission (a login system which i know has been a feature of osx for ages now) and its about time too!

now i hate to be a microsoft sackrider but they did a good job on this one and ill give credit where credit is due

only problem is, it needs to be able to add extensions like firefox then it will be on par

L5

Catsmokinpot wrote:

I love the homepage function in internet options, basically you can set multiple homepages that open in tabs when IE starts.

Wow, what a new and innovative feature! Why didn't someone think of that sooner /sarcasm

zAbbo

haha what amazing new features IE7 has, This is going to change the way we browse.

..wait a minute, these are fake hands

Catsmokinpot

L5 wrote:

Wow, what a new and innovative feature! Why didn't someone think of that sooner /sarcasm

:rolleyes: im sick of firefox, you can brown nose mozilla and opera all you want, the only things i liked mozilla for were the tabbed browsing and the extensions, but im sick of firefox memory leak bull****, and i never liked opera. So, this works perfectly, no memory leak and nicer all round so screw the elitist pricks

having said all that, if mozilla sorted out the memory leak in a new vista version..... then bye bye IE7

eoineen

Doesn't anyone ask, why with all the resources that Redmond has at its disposal, does it take so long to produce something that's already 12 months behind Mozilla?

Me? I'll be the hangin' wi de 'fox

Goodshape

Just installed it there. So far, I hate it.

They got rid of the menu bar?! wtf?! That's increadibly stupid and annoying imho.

Most of the other changes I've spotted so far have been done before and better by other players. That button to see all your tabs as thumbnails on the one page is cute.. but fairly useless at the same time.

Suprised to see Yahoo! is the default (and only preinstalled) search provider. No MSN?

And I had to laugh when the first page it tried to load (some microsoft page) failed to load at all.

It's also borked a couple of my websites

justsomebloke

at least IE7 looks different from IE6, just downloaded the beta version of firefox2 and I have to say it is basically exactly the same, has the nice feature of being able to undo a closed tab just incase you accidently close one however I like the feature on IE7 where you can easily get the a tiled version of all your current open tabs that I can't seem to find in firefox at the mo

Goodshape

I actually quite like Firefox 2.0

Small changes but they're good ones. Just improvements really, upon an already decent program.

To be honest though, it's the extensions more than anything else that keep me on Firefox.

kaimera

me likes a lot.

used the betas and was on the rc of IE7. Got the final version today and well, not much different than the rc.

They got rid of the menu bar?! wtf?! That's increadibly stupid and annoying imho.

Well, fair play for spotting the other changes but you can display the menu toolbar if you looked a small bit deeper and didn't try so hard to find fault.

Goodshape

True, I was never going to like it.

Still don't though.

Capt'n Midnight

Catsmokinpot wrote:

:rolleyes: im sick of firefox, you can brown nose mozilla and opera all you want, the only things i liked mozilla for were the tabbed browsing and the extensions, but im sick of firefox memory leak bull****, and i never liked opera. So, this works perfectly, no memory leak and nicer all round so screw the elitist ****s

having said all that, if mozilla sorted out the memory leak in a new vista version..... then bye bye IE7

tut , tut this is a family forum

IE7 already has holes so expect patches on second tuesday , at least they just allow remote browsing of your documents rather than taking complete control.

Are you on FF 1.5 ?
because there is a beta 2 and they are taking suggestions for version 3

http://www.ie7.com

thebman

Catsmokinpot wrote:

I'm using IE7 right now on vista RC1, and i must say (coming from a dedicated firefox user) that IE7 really is quite nice. Firstly, i love the homepage function in internet options, basically you can set multiple homepages that open in tabs when IE starts.

When an error happens with IE it closes but saves all your info and restarts IE so you dont end up losing a couple of hours of work over one error, all websites display perfectly...

and finally if someone has programmed a little POS spyware program into a website, windows detects that it wants to make changes to you're pc and asks for your permission (a login system which i know has been a feature of osx for ages now) and its about time too!

now i hate to be a microsoft sackrider but they did a good job on this one and ill give credit where credit is due

only problem is, it needs to be able to add extensions like firefox then it will be on par

You could add plugins in the earlier beta I had. They are on the Ms site somewhere.

Personally I hated it. Everything UI decision seems like a bad one to me but maybe I'm just used to Opera.

Reading the new features in IE7 made me laugh considering how long I've been using them for. I gave IE7 a fair shot. I tried to use it for a day but it kept annoying the crap out of me to be honest. That and I use mail in Opera so it just made sense to stick with it in the end.

I stopped using Firefox after I went on to my 13th or 14th extension. Such a pain downloading them all when Opera does all of it out of the box.

Opera V9 with the IE7 theme they have is very nice IMO.

Creamy Goodness

i only like it because it will give the brain dead users who don't know of alternatives a better browsing experience.

but it just completely rips everything out from opera/mozilla

Bob the Builder

it's okay, it does the job. i've been using Internet explorer all my life(i'm 14yrs old), but i think the key is being able to use the different explorers as you need them and know what to use each for....

1huge1

Goodshape wrote:

And I had to laugh when the first page it tried to load (some microsoft page) failed to load at all.

haha classic

kaimera

Cremo wrote:

i only like it because it will give the brain dead users who don't know of alternatives a better browsing experience.

but it just completely rips everything out from opera/mozilla

Define better browsing experience?

Lets see, Firefox copied the tabs from Opera but MS are ripping everything off when they finally implement them? :rolleyes:

What the people want, they get and tabbed browsing is high on that list tbh.

Bitching about the UI is pointless imo as you can revert to the IE6 menu layout if you so please.
Like those folk who use XP in classic mode and who'll more than likely do the same when Vista comes out.

Stick to yer 'blah' layouts in FF and Opera.

Kudos to MS for a very nice change from IE6.

ftr, I use Opera as my primary browser but credit where it's due.

dionsiseire

personally i think microsoft let themselves down with this release

yes its different, yes it has tabbed browsing, yes it has a few little extra's

but i find the UI could have been better

and i'll take their own product has an example, i just purchased the beta of office 2007, $1.50, bargain at any other price

but the interface they went with this time is MUCH MUCH improved, im thoroughly impressed with it, and i feel that if one section talked to the other, there could have been a brilliantly innovative but simple interface concept.

most people are very used to the file menu at the top, in office, its replaced by a tabbed browsing style navigation of the programs utilities with icon views of each option. it all feels very web 2.0

i'll install IE7, purely because it removed IE6 and that in itself closes a lot of vulnerabilities in windows

sure it might open up a few extra issue's, but i'll deal with that when they come

kaizersoze

Now available on the Microsoft site (not bundled with Yahoo I presume).
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/default.mspx?mg_id=10013

If you don't want to install it or you don't want it to arrive with Windows updates, which it will as a "high priority" update, they also have a blocker you can DL and install.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B-9DBD-869B4A90159C&displaylang=en

For the record, I like it (and hate Firefox )

Peteee

Goodshape wrote:

Just installed it there. So far, I hate it.

They got rid of the menu bar?! wtf?! That's increadibly stupid and annoying imho.

Really, when was the last time you used the menu bar in IE6? What exactly did you use it for? IMO the redesigned menu is a lot better. Taking it out frees up space.

Microsoft for better or worse are moving away from the menubar padigram (See Office 2007 (Which is amazingly fantastic words cant describe it), Media player 11, Vista in general)

Most of the other changes I've spotted so far have been done before and better by other players. That button to see all your tabs as thumbnails on the one page is cute.. but fairly useless at the same time.

Doomed if they do and doomed if the dont. But hey it's MS so lets bash it :rolleyes:

It's going to have tabbed browsing (And imo its a better implementation then Firefox, the tabs are bigger, it's got a nice 'new tab' button, and the Quick View is nice)

Suprised to see Yahoo! is the default (and only preinstalled) search provider. No MSN?

You must have gotten he Yahoo pack linked in the OP. My default search was Google, and they had a nice selection of search providers to pick from.

And I had to laugh when the first page it tried to load (some microsoft page) failed to load at all.

Same here, but it appears to be up now.

It's also borked a couple of my websites

Borked some of your own coded pages?

IE7 is a lot more standards compliant then IE6, so thats a definite improvement.

As for my own view, I like it. The common person will think it's a great upgrade.

I wont use it as Opera is a far better browser (Cant beat mouse gestures and the speed of Opera) but I think it's easily on par with a clean Firefox install (And probably dosen't have the horrendous memory issues that Firefox does)

ethernet

With just a few tabs on boards.ie open, IE7 eats up 100-200 MB of RAM on my PC! Running Vista RC2 ... Firefox used to 'only' use around 90 MB in XP before I upgraded.

Capt'n Midnight

dionsiseire wrote:

sure it might open up a few extra issue's, but i'll deal with that when they come

<cough>within a few hours of launch they found it had holes that were discovered 6 months ago in IE6 <cough>

Hmm standards compliant ... sounds interesting

Cryos

ethernet wrote:

With just a few tabs on boards.ie open, IE7 eats up 100-200 MB of RAM on my PC! Running Vista RC2 ... Firefox used to 'only' use around 90 MB in XP before I upgraded.

ive 8 tabs open and its only taking up 75mb... on xp pro i may add....

kaizersoze

ethernet wrote:

With just a few tabs on boards.ie open, IE7 eats up 100-200 MB of RAM on my PC! Running Vista RC2 ... Firefox used to 'only' use around 90 MB in XP before I upgraded.

You must have something wrong there. I'm on RC2 aswell and with 10 tabs open, it's only using about 70MB.

Sarsfield

I downloaded IE7 last night. I actually use slimbrowser, which is really just a skin for IE (but a really, really good one). But my fonts have changed which just makes everything look 'different' and not in a good way. How do I get my old look font back?

aidan_walsh

Sarsfield wrote:

I downloaded IE7 last night. I actually use slimbrowser, which is really just a skin for IE (but a really, really good one). But my fonts have changed which just makes everything look 'different' and not in a good way. How do I get my old look font back?

Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > Uncheck "Always use ClearType for HTML" > Restart IE?

Sarsfield

aidan_walsh wrote:

Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > Uncheck "Always use ClearType for HTML" > Restart IE?

Top man aidan_walsh. Much appreciated

Gordon

I want to download it to check it out. If I do this does it render my IE6 inoperable by installing over it or something? I really don't want to lose the old IE I have here.

Peteee

Gordon wrote:

I want to download it to check it out. If I do this does it render my IE6 inoperable by installing over it or something? I really don't want to lose the old IE I have here.

Yep, It installs over IE6

within a few hours of launch they found it had holes that were discovered 6 months ago in IE6

Which goes to show how irresponsible the security company is for waiting till they release IE7 before saying anything, despite it being in Beta/RC mode for about a year.

Thats not to say MS shouldn't have a fix, but still...

Stephen

It installs over IE6 but it does uninstall cleanly and leaves IE6 as it was when its gone.
Tabs don't work for me in it. They're enabled but the new tab option in the file menu is greyed out, middle clicking on links opens them in a new window, and I'm getting IE6 context menus. WTF?

Firefox is my primary browser btw.

Gordon

Thanks for the heads up. Not sure if I'll check it out yet due to that reason.

Capt'n Midnight

Peteee wrote:

Which goes to show how irresponsible the security company is for waiting till they release IE7 before saying anything, despite it being in Beta/RC mode for about a year.

Thats not to say MS shouldn't have a fix, but still...

Perhaps the company told microsoft about it when in beta, or perhaps microsoft should have checked it against KNOWN IE6 vulerabilities before releasing it.

Regardless of your feelings on Microsoft bashing, they did set themselves up for a fall by claiming it was secure. In the context of IE "more secure" means nothing as the bi-monthly patches to prevent someone taking complete control of your machine shows the base line to improve on is absymal.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx

Internet Explorer 7 is a major step forward in ease of use and security. Explore the tabs to learn more.

Upgrade with Confidence — check out Internet Explorer 7 and install it today.
...
Put safety first.

Robust new Internet Explorer 7 architecture and improved security features help protect you against malicious software, and help to keep your personal data safe from fraudulent websites and online phishing scams.

What they don't mention is that IE7 is only a step up if you use IE6, users of Opera and FireFox are probably safer with the latest version of their current browser. And I no longer trust windows updates on home user machines because of the number of downloads and tweaks to get windows update working would put off most inexperianced users, so I feel there are a good few machines out there that aren't patched up to date because the user gave up.

Both Secuina and SANS have pointed out that a patch for "Outlook Express" fixes a vulnerability in IE7.

Yes IE7 is a major step in the right direction, but when compared to the competition it doesn't stand out.


http://secunia.com/product/12366/

Unpatched 100% (3 of 3 Secunia advisories)

The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Internet Explorer 7.x, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Moderately critical

http://secunia.com/product/11/

Unpatched 18% (19 of 106 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Extremely critical

http://secunia.com/product/12434/ FireFox 2.x

Unpatched 0% (0 of 0 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied.

http://secunia.com/product/10615/ Opera 9.x

Affected By 2 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 0% (0 of 2 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied.

http://secunia.com/product/4227/ FireFox 1.x

Unpatched 8% (3 of 36 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Mozilla Firefox 1.x, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Less critical

Mentioning this because IE was also available on MAC's
http://secunia.com/product/5289/

Unpatched 50% (2 of 4 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Safari 2.x, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Not critical

http://secunia.com/product/2678/

Unpatched 67% (4 of 6 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Internet Explorer 5.x for Mac, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Moderately critical

This is interesting since IE5 on a MAC is nearly as safe as the latest greatest IE7 - damning proof IMHO of why IE should not be integrated into the OS. Especially since it's not had patches for nearly two years.
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer

Microsoft ended support for Internet Explorer for Mac on December 31st, 2005, and is not providing any further security or performance updates.

Serious question - if/when IE7 will have more unpatched vulnerabilites than FireFox 1.x, 2.x, Safari, 2.x , IE 5 On Mac and Opera 9.x put together ??

Peteee

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Perhaps the company told microsoft about it when in beta, or perhaps microsoft should have checked it against KNOWN IE6 vulerabilities before releasing it.

You're right, of course, they should have checked it against known exploits.

Regardless of your feelings on Microsoft bashing, they did set themselves up for a fall by claiming it was secure. In the context of IE "more secure" means nothing as the bi-monthly patches to prevent someone taking complete control of your machine shows the base line to improve on is absymal.

Well it IS more secure. 3 vulnerabilities Vs 19 vulnerabilities for IE6, by defenition, makes it more secure! Now, IE6 is hardly the shining beacon of secure apps, but still.... more secure means more secure!

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspxWhat they don't mention is that IE7 is only a step up if you use IE6, users of Opera and FireFox are probably safer with the latest version of their current browser. And I no longer trust windows updates on home user machines because of the number of downloads and tweaks to get windows update working would put off most inexperianced users, so I feel there are a good few machines out there that aren't patched up to date because the user gave up.

I dont think MS ever claimed to be more secure then Firefox or Opera, just more secure then IE6. The people running Opera or Firefox, are most likely more computer savy.

If I had my way, there would be no IE and everyone would use Opera, but it remains the fact that ~85% of users use IE, so any improvements to IE should be welcomed with open arms, no?

I feel the same way on Windows Update as you, It's far too finicky and fails far more then it should

Yes IE7 is a major step in the right direction, but when compared to the competition it doesn't stand out.

No, maybe it dosent stand out, but for the common user who just clicks on the blue e because 'thats the internet' its a definete improvement. But overall, Opera and Firefox wins handsdown.

http://secunia.com/product/2678/This is interesting since IE5 on a MAC is nearly as safe as the latest greatest IE7

I'm sure the security researchers put a lot more time into finding exploits for a new browser from Microsoft, rather then a a browser that shipped 7 years ago for an OS that has ~4% market share, most of whoms users are clever enough to use a different browser. (I assume IE5 for mac was released t the same time as other version, please correct me if I'm wrong)

damning proof IMHO of why IE should not be integrated into the OS. Especially since it's not had patches for nearly two years.

Of course IE should *never* have been integrated as far into the OS as it did. The software engineer who came up with that should be hung, drawn and quartered.

Serious question - if/when IE7 will have more unpatched vulnerabilites than FireFox 1.x, 2.x, Safari, 2.x , IE 5 On Mac and Opera 9.x put together ??

Time will tell...