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O8 Hand - Tough flop decision

  • 17-10-2006 12:00pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭


    PokerStars 1/2 Full Ring Omaha Hi/Lo

    Effective stacks are 250. Both vilains cover me and are the only two at the table who I've tried not to tangle with as they both appear to have a good knowledge of the game.

    After some limpers, I make it 10 from mid position with Ah2hKc3c. 5 callers.

    Flop (50)

    Ad4d5c

    Villain 1 UTG pots, I call. Villain 2 repots and villain 1 goes all-in.

    Is this an easy fold or an easy call?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    IMO this is a fold. I'd only ever call such large bets against 2 opponents if i think i can scoop the pot. Realistically one of your opponents also has 2 3 for the nut low and theres the nut diamond draw and maybe a set out there. I think the most likely outcome is you quarter the pot and lose money overall


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    I also have the nut high at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Why the fúck would you fold here? You have backdoor flush and house outs too. This is an instant call, not one of those fold the nuts moments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    ianmc38 wrote:
    I also have the nut high at the moment.

    Maybe its just my fear of being outdrawn all the time....


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Yep, I would call here too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    this is an easy call
    I would start calling for clubs about now as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    Possible worst case scenario you're up against someone with the same straight + flush draw, and someone with a bare set.
    pokenum  -o8 ah 2h kc 3c  - kd 5d 2s 3s  - 5s 5h 6d 7c  -- ad 4d 5c 
    Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing 5c Ad 4d
    cards          scoop  HIwin  HIlos  HItie  LOwin  LOlos  LOtie     EV
    Kc 3c  Ah  2h      0     35    479    152      0      0    666  0.333
    3s 2s  Kd  5d      0    207    307    152      0      0    666  0.462
    5s 7c  6d  5h      0    272    394      0      0    666      0  0.204
    

    Neutral EV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    I don't think either of the villains can have those hands, call anyway. You are splitting in at least one place. But there is a lot in the pot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    this has to be a joke - easy call!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    this has to be a joke - easy call!

    lol.

    Surprsingly, I did indeed call.

    One had 2x3x6d7d.
    The other had A4xdxd.

    The turn was a sweet offsuit 3 and the river was an even sweeter diamond. One of the players in the hand insisted that I should have folded the flop as it was obvious I was only playing for at best half the pot while being freerolled for the other half.

    I just thought I'd post it here to see if I was a as big a donk as he said...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    InstaCall, even if you only quarter the pot, you still get this $150 back, why would anyone fold here???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    Ste05 wrote:
    InstaCall, even if you only quarter the pot, you still get this $150 back, why would anyone fold here???

    Yeah i'm such a donk at times. Youve already invested 60 in the pot and have 190 back. Even if u quarter the pot, worse case scenario, u still get 187 back.

    Add me to ur buddies list, i'm easy money :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    ianmc38 wrote:
    lol.

    One of the players in the hand insisted that I should have folded the flop as it was obvious I was only playing for at best half the pot while being freerolled for the other half.

    .

    Standard of 1-2 Hi-Lo on stars must have taken a serious jump of late then


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