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D80 or 30D???
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16-10-2006 2:56pm#1
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I love my Canon 20d which is the pre-decessor to the 30d ... I tried a 30d and found it to be very similar ... a bigger lcd screen and a better spot metering mode seem to be the major differences ... I can't say I know the D80 ...
Here is a link to an interesting debate on the subject -
http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/1134620
It is a bit on the over dramatic side but it does explain the shortcomings of both systems ...
I have used the D200 and I'd still prefer the 20d ... but this may be more of a question of familiarity and perceived better handling ... plus I will be getting a 5d next year ... having had the benefit of using one it is ahead of anything else I have used ... and the full frame ccd is the biz ... I do believe the EOS family to be a better overall choice than Nikon when it comes to DSLRs... this is something to consider ... once you choose one family it will be difficult and expensive to change ...
Others will testify it is a close contest between Nikon and Canon ... Nikon appear have a lead in the 30d with the 200d ... but then Canon have the 5d ...
Bodies will come and go ... good lenses do not ... so you should also consider putting more of your cash into the lens if on a budget ... this is the best advice I ever got from this forum ... when I got my 20d I did not take it though
I have be told off for saying this by others: But be careful when taking Canon v Nikon advice ... it is a bit like choosing a religion ... you will find lots of us purporting to be objective and brand independant about our preferences but a recent debate with a Nikon owner would lead me to think otherwise ... most of us are not!
the best advice I can give is to try the two cameras out for yourself and go for the one that feels right for you ... this is what I did with the D70 and the 20d ... I already owned the EOS system for film so lens compatibility was an issue for me ...
As for lenses ... well ... it really depends on your budget ... if you do go for Canon and you are on a budget then -
The Canon 50mm F1.8 at less than €100 overseas (www.ac-foto.com or www.bhphotovideo.com) is just perfect ... not as your main lens but it is so cheap you cannot afford not to own one!!!
For your walk around on the Canon I'd recommend the Sigma 18-125mm if you are on a really tight budget ... It is a nice lens for the money ... I own several Sigma lenses ... they are not as bad as others would have you believe but they do have some QA issues I understand (my 24-70 F2.8 is currently in Cork being calibrated after only 4 months ownership) ... from now on I probably stick with Canon for most lens needs
Other options include the Canon 17-55 F2.8 IS ... supposed to be lovely ... or the much cheaper 17-85 F4-5.6 IS ...0 -
Heh, the beauty is in the eye... you know
A friend who had his 300D stolen, decided to move for Nikon for it's cheaper. He's exact words: Canon's kit is nicely soft, and Nikon kit is overly sharped. Anyway we're not going to discuss the system based on a kit lenses
Unfortunately all canon's lenses in the given prive range ain't that good. Apart from night vision apparatus (ef 50 1.4 USM @E350 & 1.8 @E50). Tamron 18 - something 2.8 is a reasonably good wide angle, sharp and all.
I'd advocate for Canon (that what I have): nice machine, nice L class lenses, and a dream about Full Frame someday...
My advice would be - go to the shop, hold both cameras and buy which better sits in your hand. As you had slr before, you should know your range by now, there are reasonably good lenses in that range in both canon and nikon.
As for tech side of things, canon is a bit faster, some people say higher isos work better (less noise etc) in canon, as it has its own matrix, whereas nikon have to buy other people matrixes.
Nikon people also say of better ergonomics... after about a week I god used to ergonomics in my 30D and when I held nikon I had a feeling it has too many buttons. Not as many as olympus though, but a lot 0 -
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humm, i's sway to the nikon side... features wise its got the edge i thinks...its so new too and in general peeps rather the feel of a nikon. as for images...its all a matter of taste i think, either will produce great images. the kit lens on the nikon is excellent...rated as the best kit lens on the market but alot of sites.
on a side note i hear canon turns you into a gay fairy... but i was only told that but 6 people so maybe i'm wrong
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run_Forrest_run wrote:excellent stuff folks....thanks a mil for all the advice...OK, into the shop I go for some fondling (of cameras that is!).
Tell us what you get 0 -
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cutepape wrote:just buy a Mamiya ZD
Yeah, look beyond the obviouys and stay ahead in the pixel race - Hasselblad H3D 39Mb
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B0rG wrote:I have to note that all Canon vs Nikon threads here are usually started by Nikon people... Canon people on the other hand are too busy making photos
seems you started it on this thread in the first reply :Canon obviously rules0 -
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eas wrote:seems you started it on this thread in the first reply :
Did I... hmm...
well it's not my fault that Nikon folk taking it so seriously...
Anyways - look at the forum traffic - we've finally get some attention 0 -
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Dundhoone wrote:Just buy a camera that you will enjoy taking pictures with.
At the end of it all, you have to like the thing, and all the brands/models mentioned in this thread will get you to the same end, a decent photo.
Both nikon and canon seem to be doing very well, and both should have lovely fancy D300's or 40d's or whatever if you feel you have to have a bigger fancier camera in a few years.
Happy shopping!
Good point
... buying an SLR camera is lots of fun ... particularly for the first time and if you are really into photohgraphy ... make the most of it ... all the advice in the world is no substitute for your own instinct ... if you have settled on either Nikon or Canon then be comforted by the fact that you can't make a bad choice from the models you are considering...0 -
eas wrote:I think the real danger is misinformation. People who get into this debate usually throw facts around that just arn't true or so vague/misleading that it's worthless. Not meaning to single you out directly BOrg, but what does this mean?
That means that nikon does not have it's own ccd sensor for DSLR (I call them matrixes sometimes, as it annoys nikon ppl, it's using one from sony. previous models had a sensor from god knows who, they are not widely advertising that fact, so googling for it is annoying waste of time.
Canon on the other hand make their own sensors.
the "faster/slower" is related to sensor and iso speed. but I said that's only a bit faster and in higher end models.0 -
Good points, you can't really go wrong with either Nikon or Canon.
Maybe make a list of the lenses and accessories you want (now and 'maybes' in the future) and see if one brand suits you better than other. Don't forget likes of Sigma make lenses with mounts for both brands. If you have a big collection of large capacity SD (D80) or Compact Flash (D50/70 Canon 400D/20D/30D I think) cards that would be another factor. If that doesn't decide it flip a coin 0 -
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B0rG wrote:That means that nikon does not have it's own ccd sensor for DSLR (I call them matrixes sometimes, as it annoys nikon ppl, it's using one from sony. previous models had a sensor from god knows who, they are not widely advertising that fact, so googling for it is annoying waste of time.
call them what you want - but the truth is Nikon do make their own sensors (CMOS) and use them in their D2h+D2x models. They do use modified Sony sensors (CCD) in the D200 + D80 + d50. I can't see how this would be relevent when choosing a camera.B0rG wrote:Canon on the other hand make their own sensors.
yes they do - but you'll find Canon also buy their CCD sensors from Sony.B0rG wrote:the "faster/slower" is related to sensor and iso speed. but I said that's only a bit faster and in higher end models.
iso speed is exactly the same for the D80 and 30D - 100-1600 + 32000 -
this is amusing all the agro etc.
when i decided to get a camera i looked around asked the advice. I had considered the Sony R1 which having seen it up close is actually very small compared to looking at it online, maybe if the Sony Alpha was available i might have bought that, but it wasn't, so considering my budget, the features and the 'expert' reviews i opted for the Canon 350D, had Nikon had exactly the same feature set i would have gone with them. Thing is i'm now locked into the Canon system because of an investment in lenses, seeing i can't sell my 350D i'm thinking it'd be just as difficult to get a good price for Canon lenses if i was considering making a change to another system. If the lens were interchangeable would there be as much a debate about them.
anyway main thing is they both make excellent photographs in the right hands 0 -
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B0rG wrote:As a personal favour, can I ask you to google your arguments before you use them? It may save you from losing the argument by using incorrect statements.
Dixi.
It's advice you could well do with yourself but I guess you need to know the magic word to put in the little bar.
May I suggest:
nikon matrix (or matrixes if you want to find your own posts!)
ISO for dummies
photocopier manufacturers0 -
davmigil wrote:It's advice you could well do with yourself but I guess you need to know the magic word to put in the little bar.
May I suggest:
nikon matrix (or matrixes if you want to find your own posts!)
ISO for dummies
photocopier manufacturers
Care to share the point of your message with the rest of the group? I'm kinda feel in the dark... So do other people...0 -
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B0rG wrote:As a personal favour, can I ask you to google your arguments before you use them? It may save you from losing the argument by using incorrect statements.
Dixi.
:rolleyes:
BOrg, I'm sorry if you misread my post - what i said was that canon buys CCD sensors from Sony, not CMOS sensors. If you don't know the difference... google away
Sony supplies CCD sensors to many camera companies, including Canon.0 -
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