EPM satellite in Sporting Emporium Tues 17th.

BigCityBanker

Forgive me if this is already up here somewhere but as I cant see it I said id stick it up.

The SE are holding the European Poker Masters (EPM) in association with Full Tilt in mid November. Many of the big names of world poker are expected to be in attandance - Phil Ivey, Mike Matusaw, BigCityBanker, Jen Harman, Gus Hansen, Jesus etc etc etc. Anyway buy in will be €3200 and you can qualify via satellite. The final table of this will be shown on Eurosport later in the year, so other than crimewatch this is the next best opportunity to have your mug on TV.

The first of these satellites takes place tomorrow night, Tuesday 17th, in the SE. It will be €150 + €15 reg with one rebuy or one top-up. I have been told that the card room will open at 6pm sharp for one tabled super satellites. I have also been told that there will be a plethora of Full Tilt gear up for grabs on the night.

BCB.

5starpool

Shameless.......

I might go along to this. So if I am correct there should be a ticket for every €3200 in the prize pot i.e. every 21.33333 entries and rebuys? If this is a 'package' deal thingy can someone post here please as if it is one for every 5k in the prize pool for example it will be less value methinks (unless one was to actually win a ticket).

BigCityBanker

It is my understanding that this is a ticket only job... no package.

1 ticket for every €3200 in the prizepool - I heard something about 4 tickets being guaranteed - realistically I would expect at least 7/8 tickets to be available.

brianmc

I'll be there. Having won a "free" ticket.

Important question: The "plethora of Full Tilt gear" will be there on Tuesday night at the satellite or there at the EPM?

califano

brianmc wrote:

I'll be there. Having won a "free" ticket.

Important question: The "plethora of Full Tilt gear" will be there on Tuesday night at the satellite or there at the EPM?

You'd look great in a basketball shirt Brian!

brianmc

rounders123 wrote:

You'd look great in a basketball shirt Brian!

I'm reminded of the Mr. Muscle ads from the telly.

5starpool

brianmc wrote:

I'm reminded of the Mr. Muscle ads from the telly.

BigCityBanker

whos playing this tonight then - 4 tickets have been guaranteed for sure - it would be disappointing if more were not available.

5starpool

I will probably convince myself to go down for it despite being tired.

Washout

i won a ticket for this last nite so gonna try and make it...

any 1 handed omaha sats gonna happen?

MrPillowTalk

what time is this on at

LuckyLloyd

MrPillowTalk wrote:

what time is this on at

Its not on tonight - you have been misinformed......














Yes...now we have some chance;)

LuckyLloyd

Nah, in all seriousness - its a 20:30 Kick off.

MrPillowTalk

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Its not on tonight - you have been misinformed......

Thought you were serious for a moment I nearly got out of bed on saturday to go to a tourney that was starting on sunday lol

See you there, my mind will be on United for the first few levels so feel free to steal my blind.

mdwexford

is there another sat on next tuesday??
what are the stacks and levels??

LuckyLloyd

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Thought you were serious for a moment I nearly got out of bed on saturday to go to a tourney that was starting on sunday lol

See you there, my mind will be on United for the first few levels so feel free to steal my blind.

:eek: I'll give it a shot!!!

BigCityBanker

:mad:

I feel like ive been Chiefed again - gone on a replica hand of the boards game (n)

KK raise to 3 times the big blind from UTG.

SB calls, BB thinks and calls.

Flop 6 6 8. checked to me and i make it 2.5k (bout 40% of my stack) - i get reraised and i go all in for him to turn up 6/7 soooooted... However, this hand had one very different feature to the one in which i got chiefed. Chief filled a boat on the turn - this guy filled quads (thats right - throw in the boot, kick him when hes down)..

BTW this was the 2nd time tonite i had my pokect kings cracked - had them cracked by 3/4 sooooted earlier.

ianmc38

Raise more preflop.

ditpoker

many boardies playing this? how they getting on when you left BCB?
how many tickets? stack? structure? and how are you!?

BigCityBanker

ianmc38 wrote:

Raise more preflop.

I know, I hate my preflop raise.

DIT - I wasnt all that worried about anyone else when i left. Halfbaked lost a 20k when he was mugged (kinda).

HalfBaked

Myself and Oberon get it all in on a 4-9-Q flop (20K pot) with blinds only 200/400. I have AQ, Oberson KQ. Smaller stack who was also in the hand has 10 J .King on the river to give the main pot to the shortstack and two pair to Oberson. :mad:

A v.good night on the cash tables after softened the blow.:)

nicnicnic

Finished in 15th in a pot for about 11% of the chips in play blinds 800/1500 bet 5k with QQ from early position BB calls flop J high rainbow, bb checks I bet 7.5k and he pushes with A J, J on river and a long Drive home:( Dave masters and Oberan were going well when i left. 5 tickets up for grabs, feel I cruise to one if i win that pot

lazlo

finished in 11th. A disappointing close to the tourney for me -- I butchered my 50k stack with some overly loose play and wound up desperately seekein opportunities to steal. Eventually with the blinds at 1.5k/3k(ante 300) and about 17k infront of me i shoved from cutoff with A5os only for one of the blinds to wake up with AQ. Got abit too sloppy after 3/ hrs play--guess i havent played enough live poker in the last few months!

Washout

many runners and riders last night?

i couldnt make it due to a surprise appearance by a dissapproving mother who came up all the way from cork

i tell her she does the lotto twice a week and is gambling more than me.

LuckyLloyd

Yeah - who got those tickets???

smurph

When I left my other half Martin (RX8) was on the final table and motoring. This was about 3.30 ish. Got woken up at oh 5.30 with tale. He had AA, raise and reraise into him so he pushed all in. AJoff suit, flop 8 9 10 either a 7 or Q on River. He got the bubble,

I think I muttered hard luck before going back into a coma for the oh 1.5 hours sleep, so needless to say im bright as a button in work today

Daved Masters did a "blow out" (his words not mine) to get knocked out before final table.

I personally was not really at the races. Put my calling station hat on twice, and got chips in even though I knew I was behind. Ended up shortstacked so pushing in SB with KQoffsuit, for 5.2K (blinds 400, 800) called by Nic Nic in BB with K4 offsuit. Could understand his call because my table image was pretty bad, my range was anything from crap cards to utter crap cards. a 4 on the flop and im outta there. At least I was put out of my misery on the flop and the 4 did not appear on the river.

Over I trotted to the Round of each cash game, proceeded to double up 1st hand and spend the next few hours giving the money back to the table.

Wonder who got tickets??.

lazlo

wireless54 won a seat.

ollyk1

Washout wrote:

many runners and riders last night?

i couldnt make it due to a surprise appearance by a dissapproving mother who came up all the way from cork

i tell her she does the lotto twice a week and is gambling more than me.

They actually put your stack on the table John as a ticket winner but then Alex lifted it off after 40 minutes and said your ticket was good for the next game. Probably best to ring in to confirm that you've been "mother-in-lawed" in future!!

I didn't catch a whole lot of luck last night but I played a lot better then the boards game so that was some consolation. Finished in the mid 30's making a standard push on the button with a short stack that stubbornly refused to grow and I couldn't dog QQ. :rolleyes:



I think you could have layed down the KK BCB but I think there were obvious emotional issues arising from the chiefing the week before. lol

I think you overbet the flop actually and thats what gets you into the trouble. 1500 is a better bet size on the flop and would have let you get away and allows action from worse hands. Given who the BB was and his vast experience and style (Kevin Fitzpatrick) I'd like to think I'd have gotten away but it was a tough break.

BigCityBanker

My pre flop raise wasnt enough - but i was becoming increasingly frustrated by everyone laying down to my pre flop raises and decided I needed to try and build a stack - I think I raised 7 times preflop and each seat at the table mucked their cards in turn - My hands for these raises ranged from AKs AQs AA AJs JJ 99 22 (didnt want a caller ont he 22 obviously) - so when I look down at KK I decide I better get paid. I obviously instacalled his bet so it may have looked like i didnt put too much thought into it but believe me I had enuf of thinking done about the hand. TBH I had him on 99/1010/JJ/QQ - he may have seen my preflop raise as a A with a strong kick and decided to check in order to squeeze my "continuation bet" on a raggy flop. Of all things going I couldnt put him on 6/7 soooooooted - I just thought it would be too much of a coincidence - the trauma of it all is hard to take

smurph

BigCityBanker wrote:

My pre flop raise wasnt enough - but i was becoming increasingly frustrated by everyone laying down to my pre flop raises and decided I needed to try and build a stack - I think I raised 7 times preflop and each seat at the table mucked their cards in turn - My hands for these raises ranged from AKs AQs AA AJs JJ 99 22 (didnt want a caller ont he 22 obviously) - so when I look down at KK I decide I better get paid. I obviously instacalled his bet so it may have looked like i didnt put too much thought into it but believe me I had enuf of thinking done about the hand. TBH I had him on 99/1010/JJ/QQ - he may have seen my preflop raise as a A with a strong kick and decided to check in order to squeeze my "continuation bet" on a raggy flop. Of all things going I couldnt put him on 6/7 soooooooted - I just thought it would be too much of a coincidence - the trauma of it all is hard to take

Im beginning to believe firmly that the New AA or KK's are suited connecters

If you connect with flop, no-one puts you on them, you get paid off more, and you get that happy glow inside. Its still a sickner when KK runs into them. Chin up and fight another day.

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

My pre flop raise wasnt enough - but i was becoming increasingly frustrated by everyone laying down to my pre flop raises and decided I needed to try and build a stack - I think I raised 7 times preflop and each seat at the table mucked their cards in turn - My hands for these raises ranged from AKs AQs AA AJs JJ 99 22 (didnt want a caller ont he 22 obviously) - so when I look down at KK I decide I better get paid. I obviously instacalled his bet so it may have looked like i didnt put too much thought into it but believe me I had enuf of thinking done about the hand. TBH I had him on 99/1010/JJ/QQ - he may have seen my preflop raise as a A with a strong kick and decided to check in order to squeeze my "continuation bet" on a raggy flop. Of all things going I couldnt put him on 6/7 soooooooted - I just thought it would be too much of a coincidence - the trauma of it all is hard to take

I remember the hand a little differently.

I've written my thoughts on the hand below but I think it comes across a bit preachy and that was not my intent. It was an interesting hand and one I wondered about at the time as to what I would do given my image at the table and the players involved. This is the kind of hand that arises in deeper tournies that you can maybe get away from. My style is normally a shallow stacked tournie style with an element of "play by numbers" about it but I'm trying to improve and play some more better structured games and in the earlier stages of the sat last night this was a decent structure (it wasn't good later but thats life I guess). If you think I'm over the line in offering unasked for comments feel free to tell me to f**k off.

First of all you were in MP1 not utg. The preflop raise was fine on its own but you had been varying your preflop bet size all night which was not good so leading up to this hand (and including this hand) your bet sizes preflop were leaking info I felt. I personally like to make fairly consistent raises perhaps making an allowance for the quality of the opposition. That table had some pretty good experienced players on it so all the more reason to not leak info.

I personally felt you had a big hand preflop and If I was the BB I'd call you with 67 sooted all day and all night in those exact same circumstances.

No way has he got an overpair here. It smelt like a 6 all the way to me. He watched Alan call and his thoughts were written all over him "pot odds". If he has a pp he wouldn't have cared about Alan so much and would have been calling you for set value with implied odds on his own. With Alan calling from the SB he makes the call with sooted gappers and connectors as well hoping to hit hard. I fully expected a sooted A6 or a 67 68 type holding. Kevin is not commiting hari kari there with JJ or TT . There is a chance he has QQ but he'd have thought that over a bit longer before pushing.


If you bet 1500 on the flop he may smooth call after the SB folds but because you've just about committed yourself there was no need for him to get creative and instead he pushes knowing your calling. Look at it from his pov. He voluntarily commits 600 (7%) of his chips getting 9/2 on his money preflop with massive implied odds because if he outflops you as played by you on the flop he'll get your tank. Unless you are going to laydown KK on boards like this occasionally then I guess you should raise more preflop (I'm not sure if the lads in earlier posts were being sarcastic or helpful). But that's not the road to go down in the long run imho. You want to play pots with KK. It's not all going in preflop given the stack sizes and only you can control the implied odds you give to your opponents in these situations.

Having vented my spleen on this now I'll be the first to acknowledge its easier said then done. lol

BigCityBanker

ollyk1 wrote:

I've written my thoughts on the hand below but I think it comes across a bit preachy and that was not my intent. It was an interesting hand and one I wondered about at the time as to what I would do given my image at the table and the players involved. This is the kind of hand that arises in deeper tournies that you can maybe get away from. My style is normally a shallow stacked tournie style with an element of "play by numbers" about it but I'm trying to improve and play some more better structured games and in the earlier stages of the sat last night this was a decent structure (it wasn't good later but thats life I guess). If you think I'm over the line in offering unasked for comments feel free to tell me to f**k off.

not at all - i am very happy to read an alternative view - if we dont open our minds to alternative views its bad news. tbh there was alot of "not again" in my mind when i called. live and learn.

El Stuntman

smurph wrote:

Im beginning to believe firmly that the New AA or KK's are suited connecters

well said Mr Brunson

smurph

El Stuntman wrote:

smurph wrote:

Im beginning to believe firmly that the New AA or KK's are suited connecters

well said Mr Brunson

lmao.... I heard someone saying that the other night and I was going yeah right, then this thread then light bulb on.....

Maybe I should read his book, everyone else obviously has:p

5starpool

smurph wrote:

Im beginning to believe firmly that the New AA or KK's are suited connecters

If you connect with flop, no-one puts you on them, you get paid off more, and you get that happy glow inside. Its still a sickner when KK runs into them. Chin up and fight another day.

3 times in the last couple of weeks I have managed to stack someone holding a big PP by calling and hitting hard with holdings like 67s, 56s, 68s. Each time the one thing that stood out was that the raises were always less than the raises these people would make with an AK type holding, kinda like the 'if I raise too much I get no action, if I raise too little I get too much' dilemma that constantly rears it's head.

LuckyLloyd

5starpool wrote:

3 times in the last couple of weeks I have managed to stack someone holding a big PP by calling and hitting hard with holdings like 67s, 56s, 68s. Each time the one thing that stood out was that the raises were always less than the raises these people would make with an AK type holding, kinda like the 'if I raise too much I get no action, if I raise too little I get too much' dilemma that constantly rears it's head.

In my opinion (and essentially I agree with Dom), your money hands playing NLHE are the suited connecting and one gappers of this World if you can get in to a pot in position and cheap - when you hit hard you can get paid all the way. However, I think people do forget how many times you limp in and miss, or have to fold a flopped middle pair to a strong post flop raise.

It can be frustrating when you make a 4 - 5 time the blind raise with a big hand and end up only taking the blinds but so what? These hands will only pay you when an opponent also gets a big enough hand to stay with you. Thats the reality with big pairs and I will always play them big in an effort to remove rubbish like 67 from the equation. Fact is, you will need to be a very good player to lay down pocket kings on a 668 flop, and you will need to be slightly mad to consistently pay 5 BBs in an effort to dog my Aces with 76.

ianmc38

I'd happily call for 10xBB with suited connectors Lloyd as the implied odds are huge, as we know you'll tank off your entire stackwith an overpair or the nut flush draw

On a more serious note there was a big thread on 2+2 regarding suited connectors where they are shown to be around neutral EV over several hundred thousand hands.

I think they're fine to play in position for a small raise, but thats about it.

LuckyLloyd

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd happily call for 10xBB with suited connectors Lloyd as the implied odds are huge, as we know you'll tank off your entire stackwith an overpair AND the nut flush draw

On a more serious note there was a big thread on 2+2 regarding suited connectors where they are shown to be around neutral EV over several hundred thousand hands.

I think they're fine to play in position for a small raise, but thats about it.

Every single time. I'm a donkey. Hee Haw!!

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

On a more serious note there was a big thread on 2+2 regarding suited connectors where they are shown to be around neutral EV over several hundred thousand hands.

I think they're fine to play in position for a small raise, but thats about it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6996709&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

ollyk1

ianmc38 wrote:

On a more serious note there was a big thread on 2+2 regarding suited connectors where they are shown to be around neutral EV over several hundred thousand hands.

I think they're fine to play in position for a small raise, but thats about it.

Were they specifically talking about where you are at least 75% sure your opponent has a big PP and the raise is ~>5% of your stack in a tournie situation or were they talking in general Ian? I think these factors make the difference. If you are calling with them in high implied odds istuations then I think they move to +eV for good disciplined players.

Gholimoli

ollyk1 wrote:

Were they specifically talking about where you are at least 75% sure your opponent has a big PP and the raise is ~>5% of your stack in a tournie situation or were they talking in general Ian? I think these factors make the difference. If you are calling with them in high implied odds istuations then I think they move to +eV for good disciplined players.

IMO for these hands to be profitable you deffo need to win the pot with them sometimes even if you don’t hit. As Olly said this requires discipline and more importantly extremely good post-flop play and hand reading ability.
The deeper you are obviously the more profitable these hands become but I cant see them being profitable at all unless you are well above average poker player.
In a tournament you are rarely in a situation where you are that deep where you can play these hands profitably specially out of position.
That does not stop most people from playing them however but if you ask me most of them are kidding them self’s.

ianmc38

Olly it was a thread in HSNL relating to cash game figures where lots of 2+2 players posted their stats for suited connectors.

ollyk1

ianmc38 wrote:

Olly it was a thread in HSNL relating to cash game figures where lots of 2+2 players posted their stats for suited connectors.

Thanks Ian.

I think people in tournies give higher implied odds against themselves with high pocket pairs then in cash games in general. This is for a number of reasons including poorer players generally, much poorer post flop players and the structure of tournies generally and the failure of certain players to adapt to different tournie structure appropriately (I see this one all the time and I've been guilty of it myself).

Would you call Gholi in the tournie situation outlined by BCB and myself summarised below.

Blinds 150/300.

BCB rasies to 900 from his ~7.5k stack. Alan Gibbons is telling a story and limps for 300 (saying nothing because he's telling a story to an onlooker) on the SB until the raise is pointed out to him. Table laughs along with Alan and he announces that he's lucky because he's have said raises if he hadn't been distracted but now he's got to call anyway.

I personally felt BCB had QQ+ (70% confident, if not AK/AQs). Kevin Fitz covers both BCB and Alan with approximately 10k in his stack. Do you call for 600 more with 67s??

ianmc38

ollyk1 wrote:

I personally felt BCB had QQ+ (70% confident, if not AK/AQs). Kevin Fitz covers both BCB and Alan with approximately 10k in his stack. Do you call for 600 more with 67s??

Instacall.

Gholimoli

ollyk1 wrote:

Thanks Ian.

I think people in tournies give higher implied odds against themselves with high pocket pairs then in cash games in general. This is for a number of reasons including poorer players generally, much poorer post flop players and the structure of tournies generally and the failure of certain players to adapt to different tournie structure appropriately (I see this one all the time and I've been guilty of it myself).

Would you call Gholi in the tournie situation outlined by BCB and myself summarised below.

Blinds 150/300.

BCB rasies to 900 from his ~7.5k stack. Alan Gibbons is telling a story and limps for 300 (saying nothing because he's telling a story to an onlooker) on the SB until the raise is pointed out to him. Table laughs along with Alan and he announces that he's lucky because he's have said raises if he hadn't been distracted but now he's got to call anyway.

I personally felt BCB had QQ+ (70% confident, if not AK/AQs). Kevin Fitz covers both BCB and Alan with approximately 10k in his stack. Do you call for 600 more with 67s??

yes i prob would call but the reason i call is becuase Im confident of my post flop play and I like to think I play better post flop than most.
If the raise was from a good player or from a player who’s plays I respected then I would not really call as I don’t think I would get paid off if I hit.
I also have a loose/aggro image (I have no idea why) which means people often think im bluffing when I bet which helps me get paid with these hands but as I said the most important thing IMO to consider is how you rate your post flop play against the raiser and also position.

ianmc38

HalfBaked wrote:

Myself and Oberon get it all in on a 4-9-Q flop (20K pot) with blinds only 200/400. I have AQ, Oberson KQ. Smaller stack who was also in the hand has 10 J .King on the river to give the main pot to the shortstack and two pair to Oberson. :mad:

Outplayed again... Ya big donk

dacman

Not sure of the names but ill guess. five tickets oberon a guy called jay another guy called miles,myself and some young guy didnt get his name (he quailified for the asian masters aswell). seriously tite final table. had to lay down JJ and AK on two seperate ocasions( dont think i ever done that before)

HalfBaked

dacman wrote:

Not sure of the names but ill guess. five tickets oberon a guy called jay another guy called miles,myself and some young guy didnt get his name (he quailified for the asian masters aswell). seriously tite final table. had to lay down JJ and AK on two seperate ocasions( dont think i ever done that before)

Nice result, WP.

smurph

nicnicnic wrote:

Finished in 15th in a pot for about 11% of the chips in play blinds 800/1500 bet 5k with QQ from early position BB calls flop J high rainbow, bb checks I bet 7.5k and he pushes with A J, J on river and a long Drive home:( Dave masters and Oberan were going well when i left. 5 tickets up for grabs, feel I cruise to one if i win that pot

Actually that was Martin (Rx8). He was telling me the story of the hand last night, and i thought I was having a Groudhog day moment. He bubbled when his Aces got cracked, so a bit of an "almost had a ticket" moment.

rx8

The other ticket went to Conor Doyle, who hit a J on the river to crack my AA and become chip leader with a 175K+ pot. Best of luck to all the qualifiers last night, it was some crap-shoot!

BigDragon

rx8 wrote:

The other ticket went to Conor Doyle, who hit a J on the river to crack my AA and become chip leader with a 175K+ pot. Best of luck to all the qualifiers last night, it was some crap-shoot!

UL Mr Smurph