Question...

TerrorFirmer

It has to be asked - has anybody in this forum - speculation, beliefs etc aside - ever experienced anything they would consider to be concrete evidence of the paranormal?

If so I would be greatly interested to hear. Personally, I view the paranormal in the same way I view religion - purely belief and speculation driven, and despite the readily and seemingly endless sources available there is nothing to truly prove - even remotely at that - that such a thing occurs.

Nevyn

Yes.

Riamfada

Myself it has taken a bit of time for me to believe in it but concrete evidence is sketchy . I think one has to experience it for themselves .

• Stoner ?? recorded a voice on his MP3 recorder which I heard when played back. When it was played again the next day everything was the same but the voice was gone. This wasnt somone messing at the time of recording. I
• 6th's picture of the figure on the staris in Charleville castle . I trust 6th completely and know he wouldnt mess with anything he has taken.

These two incidents have converted me however if someone had told them to me I wouldnt believe them. The Paranormal is something I wished to prove to myself and not to anyone else. One has to experience things for themselves as before my first trip to Charleville i thought it was all codswallop .

6th

Concrete proof? ... . hmmmmm.

The two Grimes mentioned above are the two most recent bits of "evidence" that spring to mind. My personal subjective experiences of having interacted with and experienced spirits is in no way evidence I would try to offer up to anyone are "proof".

I'm with Grimes on this:

Grimes wrote:

The Paranormal is something I wished to prove to myself and not to anyone else. One has to experience things for themselves ...

Even with the two pieces Grimes mentioned:

Grimes wrote:

Stoner ?? recorded a voice on his MP3 recorder which I heard when played back. When it was played again the next day everything was the same but the voice was gone. This wasnt somone messing at the time of recording.

The fact that this no longer exists takes away from its value as "concrete evidence" even though all 8 people on the trip listened to the recording before it dissappeared. None the less it was incredible to hear and made an impact on quite a few of us.

Grimes wrote:

6th's picture of the figure on the stairs in Charleville castle . I trust 6th completely and know he wouldnt mess with anything he has taken.

Even though I took this shot I would be crazy to take it alone as "concrete evidence". I have studied photography and work with digital photographs as a huge part of my career so I know there are plenty of reasons for unexpected effects of photographs. However could anyone who tells me that its dust or a smudge give me "concrete evidence" that this is the case ....no, they couldnt. They could show how it could be but thats not absolute. Now I am not saying that a paranormal cause would be the first conclusion to jump to when you look at this things but when you put them along side the subject evidence (what was experieced and discribed in the room when Stoner was recording or the history of the staircase and building where I took the photgraph) you have to be willing to at least concider a paranormal explaination.

Here is the photo I took at Charleville that Grimes mentions (btw Grimes for the vote of confidence ):

TerrorFirmer

Sorry guys, I did not mean concrete in the sense that it could be shown and validated to others - I meant in the sense that it happened to you, and that you personally consider it "concrete evidence", i.e indisputable evidence that something extremely out of the ordinary occured.

The photos are interesting 6th but again whilst puzzling and open to speculation they are not at the same time proof as such, it is incredible what factors can produce, as incredible as they seem, as many actually proven "strange but true" cases have shown. I do not have an overly big interest in paranormal myself but I do find it fairly interesting at times. (edit: You're already address this above actually)

I guess in some sense I was expecting someone to say "Oh yeah, I definately saw a ghost once", but I still think paranormal is fairly akin to religion....all belief, faith and chance encounters that cannot be either way attributed to anything concrete.

Nice photos though 6th, I can imagine they provided a tingle - probably of excitement rather then fear in your case - when you viewed them.

6th

HavoK wrote:

Sorry guys, I did not mean concrete in the sense that it could be shown and validated to others - I meant in the sense that it happened to you, and that you personally consider it "concrete evidence", i.e indisputable evidence that something extremely out of the ordinary occured.

Well in that case, yes, i've had lots of experiences when I've known that what I witnessed or experienced was out of the ordinary. Having seen, felt and even interacted with spirits I need no proof as a whole that these things exist. That said I usually do need "something" on a case by case basis cos I'm not willing to accept just anything as "paranormal".

HavoK wrote:

The photos are interesting 6th but again whilst puzzling and open to speculation they are not at the same time proof as such, it is incredible what factors can produce, as incredible as they seem, as many actually proven "strange but true" cases have shown. I do not have an overly big interest in paranormal myself but I do find it fairly interesting at times. (edit: You're already address this above actually)

Yeah the word proof is thrown around by alot of groups I read about but I think we all know that proof is absolute and thats just not something you get in this area. Whats acceptable to one person is questionable by millions of others. I'm happy in my knowledge of whats going on around but I expect no one else to changed their views based on something I have experienced. Thats a big part of the reason I organise trips - to give more people the chance to experience these things for themselves.

HavoK wrote:

Nice photos though 6th, I can imagine they provided a tingle - probably of excitement rather then fear in your case - when you viewed them.

Yeah looking at a picture and seeing something is great (and rare) but I crap myself like anyone else if I'm walkin around in the dark.

Stevenmu is the real paranormal Rambo ..... guy walks around in the dark on his own like he was walkin through a toyshop!

6th

Great thread btw, its always good to have someone come in and make us question what we believe we've experienced.

Zillah

Remind me what the voice on the mp3 said? Was it related to Scraggy?

TerrorFirmer

Personally I would love to experience something, not necessarily paranormal in totality but at least something to give me reason to explore possible "non logical" explantions for its occurance. Sadly anything I have experienced that could even be anyway remotely linked to paranormal activity is a case of "Well, I suppose, or it probably was, it could have been x, or y..."

And of course with that as time goes on every possible explantion regardless of how half baked it might be is going to instill more and more doubt in your mind...

monkeyfudge

Zillah wrote:

Remind me what the voice on the mp3 said? Was it related to Scraggy?

Yep... It was a strange laugh like 'Nahee hee' I heard it on the recording myself.

6th

Was a strange night alrite, during the same season in the room with the recording both myself and odonnell heard a voice in a corner behind us say ... "hheeeeerrreeee".

kshiel

I agree with what has already been said here about experiencing it for yourself. Often when someone encounters what maybe a paranormal expereince they can find it quite difficult to describe the emotion attached to that experience or what was seen, leaving them open to thinking was it real in the first place.

With the scraggy thing, only I saw her and heard the voice on tape also, I would have found it difficult to believe it, and even with that said it still cannot be explained fully.

Oryx

As Thaedydal said....Yes. Going into details would be repeating myself for the xteenth time.

6th

Ah sure repeating myself kills time while i'm at work. Besides with the search function gone from Boards it hard to find old posts & threads.

Ziycon

6th wrote:

Ah sure repeating myself kills time while i'm at work. Besides with the search function gone from Boards it hard to find old posts & threads.

Search function is still at the top under your name and the last time you logged in on the right!

Oryx

I feel like a one trick pony when i talk about my stuff. Surely ye know it all by now, lol.

All my stuff has been based on contact with spirit where details and images recieved have been verifed*. Subjective, you might say, but I say you had to be there.:)


*apart from one occasion where i woke up to find a ghost figure standing through my middle in the centre of my bed.:eek:

Stoner

Just to clear something up, they whole recording of Ross Castle was gone off my recorder when I got home not just the laugh,
however alan from the Soulsearchers group had a video with the audio on it, the next day the video remained but the audio was gone off it.
Obviously there are a number of reasons as to how my recording may have been removed, the biggest finger must be pointing at me,
It has only sunk in now how important that recording was, I didn't know that it featured so highly in the "proof" stakes for people like Grimes, Monkeyfudge and Kshiel. It goes to show you how difficult getting proof is and even with it and 6th photo it's hardly evidence.

I agree with Grimes 100% on this, this is something that I'm interested in, I dont have the knowledge or tools to prove it to anyone not even myself. I guess it can be viewed as a religion as you suggested HavoK in that regard, in as much as someone can go to mass every sunday but can't prove the existance of any God.

Stoner

http://www.ghostvillage.com/news/index.shtml


This is a great site BTW,

greenkittie

I think it is important to be open to the idea in the first place in order to have a paranormal experience so to speak. For example, a child is more open to new possibilities than an adult so if you experienced things as a child you are more likely to continue experiencing such things into adulthood. If hadn't been for the things i witnessed when i was younger i don't know what i would think now. One apparition, standing in my house in full view for a prolonged period of time when i was about 10 will always stand out in my mind as absolute proof for me.

Stoner

Sounds interesting Greenkittie, have you put you story in the your experiences thread?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054896242

greenkittie

nope might do that now.