Tip for Thursday (sort of!)

Pighead

Pighead apologises in advance for the vagueness and the quality of my source but I thought I'd throw it up anyway.

Was in the pub the other night and I was sitting next to these 3 lads who were speaking in muffled tones and writing stuff down on paper.Anyway heard one of the older lads saying:

"Yeah we're bringing 4 horses over to Ludlow, Kileto and Pennywise are our best chances, the other two are just out for the run. Kileto will probably go off as favourite but I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win, Pennywise could be favourite too but I'm not quite as confident with him. They're both running Thursday at Ludlow."

Now bear in mind there was muffled tones and drink involved so Kileto could have been called stiletto or filetto or something along those lines. I've tried to look up the names on the Racing Post but can't find a trainer with the two horses mentioned above.

Anyway maybe you lads could shed some light on who owns them or even what they're called! Yes this is quite possibly the shoddiest tip ever given on this forum so forgive me please.

gamb1or

pennyhill thyne is the only horse running in ludlow that day with penny in its name

ballito is probably the other horse

same trainer...carr

Pighead

That must be it so. Who trains it? Has he got any other horses that sound like Kileto or something like it?

knighted_1

Trainers


JOHN G CARR
Maynooth, Co. Kildare

Statistics Current Form Trainer Engagements


Engaged in the following races

19 Oct 2006 2:20 Quizzical at LUDLOW(Four Day), Racing Welfare Week Selling Hurdle
19 Oct 2006 2:20 Lease at LUDLOW(Four Day), Racing Welfare Week Selling Hurdle
19 Oct 2006 2:20 Ballito at LUDLOW(Four Day), Racing Welfare Week Selling Hurdle
19 Oct 2006 3:50 Quizzical at LUDLOW(Four Day), Amateur Jockeys Association Handicap Chase (For the Court of Hill Challenge Cup)
19 Oct 2006 3:50 Ballito at LUDLOW(Four Day), Amateur Jockeys Association Handicap Chase (For the Court of Hill Challenge Cup)
19 Oct 2006 4:20 Dingle Fun Guy at LUDLOW(Four Day), Christmas At Ludlow Novices´ Handicap Hurdle
19 Oct 2006 4:20 Pennyhill Thyne at LUDLOW(Four Day), Christmas At Ludlow Novices´ Handicap Hurdle

knighted_1

LUDLOW
20 October 2005
Good To Firm


2:10 Racing Welfare Week Selling Hurdle (Class G) (Class 5) (4yo+)
Watch full race
Watch finish

[off 2:11] £2,583.00, £738.00, £369.00 12 hdles 3m


TRAINER Age Wgt JOCKEY SP OR TS RPR

1 Ballito (IRE) John G Carr 6 10-7 p W T Kennedy(5) 16/1 75 90+
2 1¾ Knight Of Silver S C Burrough 8 10-12 R J Greene 7/1 83 74 86
3 26 Quizzical John G Carr 7 11-5 p J M Davies 11/2 87 60 67
4 ½ Greencard Golf (GB) Jennie Candlish 4 11-4 Alan O´Keeffe 14/1 87 58 66
5 26 Dat My Horse (IRE) Tim Vaughan 11 10-12 Richard Hobson 20/1 101 31 34
6 ½ Dante´s Battle (IRE) Mrs K Waldron 13 10-12 Richard Spate(7) 12/1 96 37 40
7 3½ Alvaro (IRE) B J Llewellyn 8 11-5 b Liam Heard(7) 15/2 97 41 44
8 14 Impatient Lady J D Frost 8 10-1 1 Chris Honour(5) 25/1 10 9
9 30 Jivaty (FR) Mrs A J Hamilton-Fairley 8 10-12 S P Walsh(7) 14/1 110 — —
10 10 Amanpuri (GER) P A Blockley 7 10-2 Angharad Frieze(10) 40/1 — —
PU Roscam G A Ham 8 10-12 P J Brennan 14/1 73 — —
PU Port Sodrick (GB) R H Alner 4 10-4 Keiran Burke(7) 9/2F 82 — —
PU Audiostreetdotcom R A Harris 8 10-12 b Daryl Jacob(7) 7/1 89 — —


13 ran TIME 5m 47.00s (slow by 11.00s) TOTAL SP 114%
NON RUNNER: Mantles Prince
1st OWNER: George Stanley BRED: George Stanley TRAINER: John G Carr
2nd OWNER: F D Popham
3rd OWNER: James Hepburn

TOTE WIN £29.70 PL £9.70, £2.10, £1.80; Ex £317.50; CSF £117.77


This very modest event concerned just the two from a long way out. BALLITO, previously trained by his owner George Stanley, has joined John Carr since falling on his recent chase debut. Moving into second place at the start of the long turn out of the back straight, he steadily reeled in the leader and the race was over once he struck the front at the second-last. He has been running over shorter and the return to this longer trip helped.

knighted_1

seems like they did the same thing this time last year and won at 16/1

nice overhearing pighead lol-hope the boys win now

Pighead

Ah excellent detective work knighted_1. Cheers for that. Ballito it is then. Hopefully the fact that he won last year won't shorten his price. too much.

So to tidy up my original post it seems Ballito and Pennywise Thyne=Great Chances, Quizzical, Lease and Dingle Fun Guy out for the run(One of these probably a non-runner as I'm almost sure I heard him say 4 horses)

steveymp@hotmai

Hi long time reader 1st time poster

Ballito is in the 2:20 Ok early price 6/1:)

Pennyhill doesn't seem to be running, can anyone confirm

Cheers

masterK

Carr only has Ballito and Lease at Ludlow, I'd be very surprised if Ballito is anywhere near 6/1, most probably will be 5/2 or 3/1.

steveymp@hotmai

masterK wrote:

Carr only has Ballito and Lease at Ludlow, I'd be very surprised if Ballito is anywhere near 6/1, most probably will be 5/2 or 3/1.

Copied from Sporting life, gone to 8's now apparently

Betting Forecast: 6/4 Shared Account (IRE), 6/1 Musally, 7/1 Mr Maxim, 8/1 Ballito (IRE), 10/1 Arabian Moon (IRE), 10/1 Lease, 12/1 Lupin (FR), 12/1 Island Warrior (IRE), 25/1 Tonight (IRE), 33/1 Oktis Morilious (IRE)

fade2black

These are only forecasts lads.

knighted_1

looking at the form i see richard johnson has rode both these horse on there previous starts rode lease into third and ballito was pulled up but second before that -he rides lease tomorrow i wonder did he have a choice as he has ridden both before plus balito is a stone more than when he won this last year -might explain why he putting 3 pound claimer on -

prize money £2700 to the winner id assume they will be backing one hard as it would cost close to this to bring two horses over there

can pighead go back to that pub and evesdrop again tonite lol

think i might dutch the two for the interest

hawker27

anyone got a price on balito?.thanks

Pighead

Yeah bit strange that Johnsons on Lease. Also no sign of Pennywise Thyne. Current price of Balito is 7.2 on betfair(about 6/1). Hes 4th favourite behind Lease(6.2) Arabian Moon(6.2) and clear favourite Shared Account(3.05).

Gonna have a decent Each Way bet on Balito. Worst case scenario, it will teach me a lesson never to listen to horse talk in pubs.

scargill

Ballito is 8/1 with PaddyPower and 16/1 with Betfair at the moment (place 3/1)

fade2black

Pighead you legend!!!!!!!!

scargill

won well !! didnt back the feckin thing. gob****e.

fade2black

haha...I had to back it...took a price though...thought it would be backed. Again I say...Pighead you little legend. This was a great little sting.

jimbling

fecking legend
only saw this 5 minutes before the race.
put 15 ew at 12-1 and 20 on the win at 14-1.... nice one son... nice one

Pighead

Ha Ha. Cheers Fade. Phew! Thank goodness he won. Thought I was gonna be known as the lemon who gives out tips he hears in pubs!

Unfortunately I got on at 8's but I'm more than happy with the win.

masterK

Pighead you Eavesdropping legend!!

wb

Ha Ha, thats gas. Well done pighead!

dacman

nice tip mate. stuck 30 at 15/1 on bet fair after just opening an account there to play poker. was looking at the betting and had a quick look here before hand. cheers

fade2black

Where's that legends of boards forum...

Topcat101

Nice one, I hit it for 10 E/W @ 8/1:D

Pighead

Wheres that blushing smilie? Ah here it is!
Cheers lads. Its nice when they come in.

masterK

I can't wait to hear what Pighead overhears in the pub this weekend!

steveymp@hotmai

I have a few pints waiting for you pighead if your ever in my area, legend m8, was gonna take SP at 1:30 but took 8's on PaddyPower, still mustn't grumble £30 on the nose. Happy Days:)

Sizzler

TOTR!

I took 20's on betfair around lunchtime and also had a few quid with Padraig each way.

Easy to say now but it was a top class stroke, all the money went for Johnson's mount (who hated the ground....read the form people ) and our mate drifted like a raft without a paddle on the atlantic, nice

Sizzler

steveymp@hotmai wrote:

I have a few pints waiting for you pighead if your ever in my area, legend m8, was gonna take SP at 1:30 but took 8's on PaddyPower, still mustn't grumble £30 on the nose. Happy Days:)

Will they not pay you the better price? Worth chancing your arm

DeadParrot

good man pighead....had cashed out of Paddy Power but stuck a few bob on
nice one

knighted_1

excellent pighead-the enjoyment of it winning after the way it came to u is equal to collecting the winnings well done and if u see those two boys again stalk them lol

steveymp@hotmai

Sizzler wrote:

Will they not pay you the better price? Worth chancing your arm

How do you ask a computer to do that:D , if i could i would:D

fade2black

knighted_1 wrote:

excellent pighead-the enjoyment of it winning after the way it came to u is equal to collecting the winnings well done and if u see those two boys again stalk them lol

Excellent detective work too.

ChuckProphet

bastid!! didn't back it :mad: ...fair play to ye who did

gamb1or

thanks for the 100 bones you just won for me pighead.

-simon-

I praise your inquizitive nature.
I had it at 14-1 and won me €280!
I Thank you.:D

Dun laoire

Great stuff pighead. You're really bang on form at the moment. Well done. Didnt get it myself unfortunately due to the bookies being too far outta the way:( Feck it anyway

pauljj66

well done

scojones

14/1. legend pighead, absolute legend.

redzerdrog

i want to cry...... Got stuck in traffic and missed the off by about 30 seconds:mad: :mad: :mad:

knighted_1

i could offer u 10 euro notes to wipe away those tears as i have plenty of them after today lol

The jock

Thanks pighead that win made my day,i gave it to everyone i know,everyone down south here in clonmel and my mates in london are all alot richer today thanks to you mate.

scojones

The jock wrote:

Thanks pighead that win made my day,i gave it to everyone i know,everyone down south here in clonmel and my mates in london are all alot richer today thanks to you mate.

You'd wonder how many people it takes to influence the market.

masterK

sjones wrote:

You'd wonder how many people it takes to influence the market.

In a seller at Ludlow it wouldn't take a whole lot.

scojones

masterK wrote:

In a seller at Ludlow it wouldn't take a whole lot.

Which is the point I was making. Alot of us were on it.
I gave this horse to 8 of my friends who in turn gave it to their friends and so on. There were ALOT of people in Shannon on this horse and it drifted from 8s out to 14s. The Jock also says alot of his mates were on it as well. Which is why I was wondering how much money would have been required to be placed on it to make its price come in.

masterK

I would imagine very little money was placed on course hence the drift, it was probably spread around the betting shops, likely to have been small enough amounts each time which wouldn't show up as a blip on the price radar.

I also suspect that the amounts claimed by some people are slightly exaggerated.

Bluetonic

masterK wrote:

I also suspect that the amounts claimed by some people are slightly exaggerated.

I'm glad someone said it.

I'd be surprised if anyone apart from the usual forum users were actually on it in truth.

wb

If everyone placed money on a horse early, it could cause a price cut, but don't forget that once the market opens on-track, thats where the prices are generated from and not the shops/internet. The sp's are not an overall picture of how much is on it, they are taken from what is happening at the track (Although most on-course layers have laptops, and are keeping an eye on the outside market these days)

masterK

wbailey wrote:

If everyone placed money on a horse early, it could cause a price cut, but don't forget that once the market opens on-track, thats where the prices are generated from and not the shops/internet. The sp's are not an overall picture of how much is on it, they are taken from what is happening at the track (Although most on-course layers have laptops, and are keeping an eye on the outside market these days)

I don't really think it's the case any more, prices are probably driven more by off course events than on course events. I remember listening to a bookmaker on At The Races a while back saying that his prices are basically driven by what's happening on the exchanges.

larsson7

Having seeing this site for the first time last Monday, this over heard tip caught my interest as it did the rest of you. I fully intended in having a substantial bet on this horse until I seen the price and the fact that it was going out in price. I had a smaller bet then intended but still won 500 euro. This was a fluke, this horse, this win and we were all dead lucky.
There are few if any trainers/owners out there who would not back their horse if they had the same information and belief we had. And trust me they didn’t back it.
As said previously it doesn’t take much to lower a price in such a race, a bet of over 300 euro in any shop at these odds leads to a phone call before they take your bet. And prices are driven by the off course shops in the lead up to races especially in smaller meeting like this one.
There was only shillings on this horse every one posted so far are talking about 30, 20 and 15 euro bets, these would scare no bookies. If the owner/trainer had backed it they would of been on heavy. You can’t come away from Ludlow and claim to have pulling off a sting on a horse that drifted from 8s to 14s
Of course we will never know