A month on and still no luck of finding a club

ANXIOUS

Ah ive tried emailing millions of clubs and no luck, i went up to bornabrena gun club this after noon and everything was all locked up. :mad: :mad:

jaycee

I reckon you'll have to try phoning ...

ANXIOUS

There wasnt even a sign outside the range to say what it was, i was hoping for a contact number on the gate or something.

st3vo

Hey anxious

Courtlough in balbriggan have a website and a contact number on the site

<http>http://www.courtlough.ie</http&gt;

st3vo

Just got of the phone from them.
Gonna try and pop down there today

ANXIOUS

that club looks fairly promising, however im a student and i dont drive but on the site it says you can get the train up so ill send off an email to them, I was just wondering if anyone on this site was from bohernbrena rifle club are they know any other clubs located close enough to dublin, in particular the south side as thats where i attend college, thanks

st3vo

I live about 5-10 mins away from coutlough and the train does go very close to it.

Just wondering.... is it safe/legal to carry a fire arm on public transport??

st3vo

oh,... your better off ringing courtlough mate.
I emailed them last week but never got a reply. There prob mad busy.

ANXIOUS

my understanding of the law is that you are allowed have your weapon on public if you are transporting it to a ranage gun smith etc. etc. However i dont think that it stretchs that far lol. From what ive heard some ranages offer a aservice so that you can leave your gun there. Still looking for info on a club in south dublin.

st3vo

Although a shotgun on a train could be useful.....


'Is that seat free?'

E@gle.

st3vo wrote:

I live about 5-10 mins away from coutlough and the train does go very close to it.

Just wondering.... is it safe/legal to carry a fire arm on public transport??

i wouldn't reccommend doing that. some people may take offense

Anxious - what college are you in?

Trinity and UCD have rifle clubs open to their students. DCU are in the process of opening one as well

st3vo

Just back from courtlough. Nice place.
Got my forms etc.

Kinda hate asking questions in them kinda places. You kinda feel
like your putting people out. And everybody knows each other in these places. Cant help thinking, they're thinking 'whos that gob****e!'.

Mech1

For info on BRC (Bohernabreena) Phone the P.R.O on, 086-3203023.
She will give you basic details and another phone number of the person in charge of new memberships.
otherwise just call up to club any sunday morning.

ANXIOUS

Thanks mech, i went up yesterday the club house seems fairrly nice from the outside, you wouldnt have a clue of the membership cost of that would you? ah im in it tallaght so no hope of having a gun range there ever lol. Thanks

Sparks

st3vo wrote:

Just wondering.... is it safe/legal to carry a fire arm on public transport??

I seem to remember there being a road safety act from the 1960s that prohibited people carrying offensive weapons on public transport, and the 1990 act defines our firearms as offensive weapons, so no - but if it were cased, noone would know without searching you. It's a bit gray, and you'd like to see it clarified, but clarified to say "yes, go ahead" and I can't see any public servant sticking his neck out that far for a sport with as bad a PR image as ours is at the moment thanks to gun crime and general ignorance of the particulars of our sport and the resulting confusion of the two in the minds of the general population

rrpc

AFAIK That law only applies to road transport, not to rail. In any event I know one of our members regularly travels to our range by train carrying his rifle in a slip.

Sparks

Yup, applies to buses, taxis, anything with a public licence like that. Again, if the rifle's in a slip, I don't know if it really applies - I believe the law was written for nutjobs who got on the bus with knives in their belt or other equally daft people; if you were transporting stuff in a secure case from A to B, I'm not sure it would cause a problem. The thing is, if you were ever stopped and searched, that belief would be precious little defence, in fact it's more likely to be a source of mirth for the DPP...

Gerri

Sparks wrote:

I seem to remember there being a road safety act from the 1960s that prohibited people carrying offensive weapons on public transport, and the 1990 act defines our firearms as offensive weapons, so no - but if it were cased, noone would know without searching you. It's a bit gray, and you'd like to see it clarified, but clarified to say "yes, go ahead" and I can't see any public servant sticking his neck out that far for a sport with as bad a PR image as ours is at the moment thanks to gun crime and general ignorance of the particulars of our sport and the resulting confusion of the two in the minds of the general population

My reading of it says "Firearms AND Offensive Weapons Act 1990" , clearly defining the difference between Firearms for sporting use and offensive weapons for criminal use.
I know it's a small thing and you might think it pedantic, but small things can matter a lot in law.

Sparks

Gerri wrote:

My reading of it says "Firearms AND Offensive Weapons Act 1990" , clearly defining the difference between Firearms for sporting use and offensive weapons for criminal use.

Except that it didn't do so. All it said was that an offensive weapon was that which was carried without good cause in a suspicious manner. So go onto a bus with a cased single-shot ISSF air rifle and it may not apply - go on carrying a glock in your hand with a round in the chamber and it most certainly will. The actual part of the act that relates is in section 10(2):

"weapon of offence" means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use.

read with section 9(6):

In a prosecution for an offence under subsection (5), it shall not be necessary for the prosecution to allege or prove that the intent to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate was intent to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate a particular person; and if, having regard to all the circumstances (including the type of the article alleged to have been intended to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate, the time of the day or night, and the place), the court (or the jury as the case may be) thinks it reasonable to do so, it may regard possession of the article as sufficient evidence of intent in the absence of any adequate explanation by the accused.

In other words, if you meet the garda as you come up from the riverbank wearing waders and carrying a rod and a tacklebox and have a knife on your belt, it's sports equipment for gutting fish. If you meet the garda as you walk towards the disco with the same knife on your belt, it's an offensive weapon.

Sometimes the big obvious things matter in law as well...

benhurt1

Why can't people just answer the original poster and not go off on rants and tangents????

It's about €800 for the first year in BRC, this is based on a quote I got last year. I think they want to keep the Riff-Raff out :rolleyes:
or students! :rolleyes:

ANXIOUS

800 thats a bit steep isnt it i was looking at a max of 400 guess i wont be joining there lol. thanks

newby.204

No offence but fees are that high because well the clubs want to make sure that serious shooters get in, i.e. nobody whos gona risk their €800 fee and do something stupid, damaging for the club, sport or other shooters. So basically that fee has done just what it says on the tin, your not serious enough and so wont pay the €800, id pay anything up to €1000 for anything resembling a range or club, wooden shacks porta jax and a chippy would do me, hell a coke machine would do!! I realise your a student so not much disposable income, but maybe if your serious about shooting you should reorg your priorities

Sparks

It's not been so long since I've been a student newby that I'd imagine that by reorganising my priorities I could come up with a grand to pay in fees for a shooting club membership!

Besides, it's about €120 or so for a year's membership in Wilkinstown and I think it's fairly obvious that our shooters are serious

newby.204

Sparks wrote:

It's not been so long since I've been a student newby that I'd imagine that by reorganising my priorities I could come up with a grand to pay in fees for a shooting club membership!

Besides, it's about €120 or so for a year's membership in Wilkinstown and I think it's fairly obvious that our shooters are serious

Fair enough a bit over the top on my part Sparks but you see my point?? Ive never been asked by soooo many questionable individuals as to how to get a glock since they found out it was legal, all i do is quote the cost and there "interest" is out the window. And the grand thing is what I would be willing to pay for shooting facilities, not what your likely to pay!! Sorry if i wasnt clearer

Sparks

Ive never been asked by soooo many questionable individuals as to how to get a glock since they found out it was legal, all i do is quote the cost and there "interest" is out the window.

We just point out that we shoot single-shot firearms and the rambos vanish into the ether. It's not that there aren't people who are serious about fullbore shooting - it's just that (and we always used to see this in DURC in the first weeks of every year) you get people whose "training" in firearms was done out by Hollywood and who frankly need a lot of retraining before they're safe to let near a firearm.

Thing is, mere financial obstacles are insufficient. The number of stories of rather clueless but wealthy people I've been hearing of lately is starting to give me pause for somewhat serious thought

ANXIOUS

Re-organise my priorites ha ha ha ha ha. That really is a good one. I dont think that you have been a student for a while, i work all summer to saveup money to pay for the year of college, i dont get a job in the summer because as ive stated before i go to it tallaght and live in artane. Which is about 3hrs traveling some days and thats on top of being in till 9 to 6 somedays.

I am re-organising my priorites to come up with 400 but 800 is completly out of the question. While ill just either have to find a cheaper club or put this idea back on to the shelf which would be a pity because i wouuldve really enjoyed it

ANXIOUS

newby.204 wrote:

No offence but fees are that high because well the clubs want to make sure that serious shooters get in, i.e. nobody whos gona risk their €800 fee and do something stupid, damaging for the club, sport or other shooters. So basically that fee has done just what it says on the tin, your not serious enough and so wont pay the €800

Newby since when did having money make you any more serious then the next person. You could simple be rich and be able to afford it and be the stupiest person in the world. Who is to say that someone ,my age that works and can afford it right now would be anymore safer then me?

rrpc

Folks, joining fees aren't there to discourage people from joining clubs. They usually reflect the investment made in the club by current and past members and are also a necessary source of funds for future expansion plans.

BRC have excellent facilities which wouldn't be there had the membership not put their hands in their pockets to fund them. It would be grossly unfair to these people if anyone could then join without making a financial contribution to the continued success of the club.

If you can't afford to pay the joining fee but still want to join, perhaps you should ask the club if they will allow you pay the fee over a period of time to reduce the financial burden on yourself. It's up to the club of course, but I know that we have taken this approach with some of our members when asked.

Sparks

rrpc wrote:

It would be grossly unfair to these people if anyone could then join without making a financial contribution to the continued success of the club.

It would be; but if the person joining was a junior or a student, it would be equally unfair to demand that they contribute as much as those with far more income. Your average student is earning between €1500 and €5000 per year, depending on whether they work year-round and where they work. I know I never earnt more than €1800 or so (well, £1500, which should date me effectively) when I was in college. And a damn sight less when in secondary school.

(I would expect, however, that when that student started work that they'd then undertake to pay not only the full annual amount but also the capitation fee - that's only fair as well)

Whatever about needing to keep the club financed, you have to keep just a little bit of communism in your heart (specifically, "from each according to his abilities")

Umiq88

With all this working and college whens a student going to get time to shoot at all?

I say ditch college get a job in a chippy at nights and spend your mornings at the range

or... get permission to shoot on some land somewhere off a farmer most will be delighted for you to come and get rid of what vermin may be there and will have no problem with you setting up a target at 100yards or so for practicing.

Sparks

With all this working and college whens a student going to get time to shoot at all?

In a college club

ANXIOUS

rrpc wrote:

Folks, joining fees aren't there to discourage people from joining clubs. They usually reflect the investment made in the club by current and past members and are also a necessary source of funds for future expansion plans.

Yes, i agree but surely they have to draw the line somewhere, if i was a memeber of a gun club i would be apprecative of the work that went into setting it up. (I have helped set up clubs in college) However as i also study accountancy i am also aware that there is a price that people are prepared to pay for a service. And if the price was above this they would go somewhere else.

Im now thinking of just talking to some people that i know who have land and pled with them to let me shoot vermin on there land. However i would have reservations about doing this as i would be a complete novice when it comes to the the safe handling of a gun. Thanks for all the replies

Leupold

Anxious, you should contact the East Coast Shooting Club based in Roundwood. Their joining fee is €270 and the annual fee is €230. They can arrange staggered payment for impecunious aspirants. They have shotgun, rifle and pistol ranges and are open to new members once these have satisfied their entry criteria.PM me for contact information.

ANXIOUS

just on the East Coast Shooting Club website and the club looks great, however i dont drive so getting there would be a great difficulty to me

Sparks

Sparks wrote:

Whatever about needing to keep the club financed, you have to keep just a little bit of communism in your heart (specifically, "from each according to his abilities")

Barred from DURC - for life

rrpc

ANXIOUS wrote:

However as i also study accountancy i am also aware that there is a price that people are prepared to pay for a service. And if the price was above this they would go somewhere else.

That's if there is somewhere else to go. Competition is part of that equation as is the number of buyers in the market. It is important also to find out what portion of the €800 is the annual sub and what part is the joining fee. The annual sub is more important, because that's the amount you have to pay every year. As I said before, you may be able to stagger the payment of the joining fee over a period of time, whereas the sub will have to be coughed up regardless.

As I pointed out before, the fees for a club are directly proportional to the facilities offered. No offence to ECSC, but BRC's facilities are far superior to what East Coast have to offer. Granted East Coast are more multi-disciplinary, but having been to both ranges I can safely say that you get what you pay for. In Rathdrum the joining fee is €300, but that is because our facilities were built over 40 years ago when costs were much lower.

Why don't you take the time to contact the clubs you would be interested in joining and arrange to visit them? At the very least you may learn something of what type of shooting you would like to take part in and discuss the issues of cost directly with them.

The clubs that are in your general area AFAIK are BRC and Dublin Rifle Club. Their ranges are not too far apart, in the general areas of Bohernabreena and Kilbride.

Sparks

original_psycho wrote:

Barred from DURC - for life

Ah, modern economics students
Ye'll be holding up the wall for the lawyers when the revolutions comes, tovarich

Leupold

rrpc wrote:

. No offence to ECSC, but BRC's facilities are far superior to what East Coast have to offer. Granted East Coast are more multi-disciplinary, but having been to both ranges I can safely say that you get what you pay for.

What cheek! ECSC offers multi disciplinary rustic shooting in a sylvan setting. Vistas of beauty surround you as you commune with nature. The esprit de corps is second to none. We only allow good humoured philanthropists to join , especially if they have immense shooting experience which they want to share with neophytes. We also supply a dictionary to all new members.

st3vo

Lmao!

ANXIOUS

i loved to know whats in the dictionary

Mech1

as i said phone the PRO.
BRC have staggered fees ie pensioner/ un waged / student etc.
Phone.

info listed here is wrong !

Sparks

What info? And if it's wrong, post the right stuff Mech, don't let people go off with the wrong information like that!

flight93

Yeah they seem to be getting well set up there now. I saw the new pistol range a while ago and it is shaping up well. They also have plans for the rifle rang. Seem like a nice bunch, and very helpful

mcguiver

From what I know of Brc, the fee is around 400 per year, but there is a joining fee. But anyone who's been there will tell you that they're a friendly bunch who really encourage newbies.

But check with them before we go debating their fees! (BAN WAFFLERS ;-))
Range facility is excelllent, and for obvious reasons they dont have a anything advertising what they do signposted outside.

As for the transporting firearms on the bus etc, c'mon folks common sense ..DONT, unless you can disguise them (padded guitar case etc). and not draw attention to yourself.

irish_stu

anxious,dublin rifle club,situated near kilbride,150euro membership,myself and a few others live in tallaght,can forward you details if your interested

Coche

that is funny I'm trying to get approval for a new range Mail me & see what we can do..

steve-hosting36

ECSC in Roundwood - anyone have a link to their website?

BOBTHESHOOTER

steve-hosting36 wrote:

ECSC in Roundwood - anyone have a link to their website?

http://www.eastcoastshootingclub.com/