Help with Green Joker Poker

patmac

I've been with Green Joker Poker for about a week and last night I wasn't too impressed with them, in fact yesterday was a bit of a nightmare. I live out in the sticks and I am awaiting Broadband (should be in but they lost the order and now can't connect "computer says no" etc), anyway on Internet dial up I decided to have a little dabble on Omaha starting at the lowest level with $2 built it up to over $20 moved up to .25/.50 played another hour went as high as €66 was down to about $34 when dealt Ac5cQh10h flop and turn was 2 hearts and 2 clubs bet $4 then the dreaded disconnection, reconnected and watched as a club came on the river and saw somebody bet $15 would have had the nuts and gone all in:mad: Then next hand I had As 6s flop was 2 spades I went all in $20.11 was called then disconnection,:mad: :mad: :mad: now this is where I have the problem. I reconnected and the hand was over I had no money left, tried to find out what happened by looking up the hand history but it only showed as far as the disconnection, it didn't show the turn and the river, I tried to contact the manager but waited for ages and no answer had they all gone to bed? The main question is If I am all in and I get disconnected is my hand automatically mucked? I am hoping there are people from GJP on boards that might be able to answer this my name under GJP is 'Feck off'.

DeadParrot

nah afaik your hand isnt mucked sure dont you see that in tournies all the time, if you have a disconnected player blinded away till they are all in their hole cards are turned up and if they win they win.
As regards the connection issue, dialup isnt your friend.
That said tribecca has been strange the last few days

Gholimoli

Ok the disconnection problem is not a GJP specific problem and it’s a well-known Tribeca network issue (even though in your case it could have been your ISP issue as well).
GJP are just a skin of BlueSquar poker who are a skin of Tribeca network.
They do not host a gaming centre where they would have their own servers etc so the disconnection issue is not really their fault.
When you get disconnected then after a certain time period your hand will be mucked (I think its 30 seconds or something like that). This is implemented to game the game going and so the whole table will not be waiting for a particular person to act forever.
To the best of my knowledge the hand history is only available to you while you are connected to the network and are playing or observing a certain table at the time so that explains why you were unable to get the hand history after your disconnection.
If you ever experience a specific problem in the future or have any questions you can ping a manager and they work 24/7 and there is always some one there to answer your query. Again when you do this your actually talking to BS staff as oppose to GJP staff but the option is available there for you.
You can always contact Mike Lacey (Shortstack on boards owner of GJP) regarding any issue with GJP as he is very quick and helpful to sort out any issue you may have.
I have been playing with GJP for good few months know and I have to say I haven’t had any problems with them at all and any time ive had an issue Mike has been more than helpful and efficient is resolving it.

ArmaniJeanss

patmac wrote:

reconnected and watched as a club came on the river and saw somebody bet $15 would have had the nuts and gone all in:mad:

Its probably little consolation but the same card wouldnt have come on the river if you'd still been in the hand. The way the RNG works takes into account pot size, players left in hand etc as 'seeds', so the river card would most likely have been different.

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

patmac wrote:

my name under GJP is 'Feck off'.

lol

talk about tempting fate

karlh

I blame PPP.

ianmc38

karlh wrote:

I blame PPP.

Obviously.

Mike's performance in the blind omaha also further prove the riggedness of the Tribeca network.

patmac

Gholimoli wrote:

Ok the disconnection problem is not a GJP specific problem and it’s a well-known Tribeca network issue (even though in your case it could have been your ISP issue as well).

I accept that.

Gholimoli wrote:

GJP are just a skin of BlueSquar poker who are a skin of Tribeca network.

I am beginning to hate Tribeca.

Gholimoli wrote:

When you get disconnected then after a certain time period your hand will be mucked (I think its 30 seconds or something like that). This is implemented to game the game going and so the whole table will not be waiting for a particular person to act forever.

Even when you are all in? Very unfair imo.

Gholimoli wrote:

To the best of my knowledge the hand history is only available to you while you are connected to the network and are playing or observing a certain table at the time so that explains why you were unable to get the hand history after your disconnection.

But I was still at the table and involved in the game and still don't know what happened in that hand.

Gholimoli wrote:

If you ever experience a specific problem in the future or have any questions you can ping a manager and they work 24/7 and there is always some one there to answer your query. Again when you do this your actually talking to BS staff as oppose to GJP staff but the option is available there for you.

I tried pinging the manager but got no answer to the question.

patmac

El Stuntman wrote:

lol

talk about tempting fate

That's what I'm thinking also people will always remember you when you suck them out.

patmac

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Its probably little consolation but the same card wouldnt have come on the river if you'd still been in the hand. The way the RNG works takes into account pot size, players left in hand etc as 'seeds', so the river card would most likely have been different.

That's some consolation I feel a lot better now. Grrr that wasn't me in that house in Clontarf last night with the gun and the grenade and the CEO's of Eircom and Tribeca honest, but I'm beginning to understand............
I'm feeling very discombobulated at the moment.

Gholimoli

patmac wrote:

I accept that.

I am beginning to hate Tribeca.

Even when you are all in? Very unfair imo.

But I was still at the table and involved in the game and still don't know what happened in that hand.

I tried pinging the manager but got no answer to the question.

if your in a hand and your all in and get disconnected then no ,your hand will not get mucked and the hand will go to show down.
if you win at showdown then you win the pot and the money will be rewarded to you regardless of your connections status.

if your in a hand and your not all in and still have money behind and get disconnected ,then your hand will be mucked only if there is a bet in to you.
if every one checks around then your hand will still be kept alive .
basically your hand will only be mucked if there is a bet into you and you fail to act with in a certain time period.

El Stuntman

patmac wrote:

I'm feeling very discombobulated at the moment.

careful, I have a patent on that word....

Glowingmind

Gholimoli wrote:

if your in a hand and your all in and get disconnected then no ,your hand will not get mucked and the hand will go to show down.
if you win at showdown then you win the pot and the money will be rewarded to you regardless of your connections status.

This is correct.

If you have a hand id for the hand (or the one previous to it) - press the manager button and they'll be able to view the hand and tell you what happened.

patmac

Gholimoli wrote:

if your in a hand and your all in and get disconnected then no ,your hand will not get mucked and the hand will go to show down.
if you win at showdown then you win the pot and the money will be rewarded to you regardless of your connections status.

if your in a hand and your not all in and still have money behind and get disconnected ,then your hand will be mucked only if there is a bet in to you.
if every one checks around then your hand will still be kept alive .
basically your hand will only be mucked if there is a bet into you and you fail to act with in a certain time period.

It looks like I lost that one so, doesn't excuse the lack of response from the manager especially when your on tilt, did somebody say that one the big american sites protects against disconnection?
Also PLO does seem to be an easier game alright.

patmac

Glowingmind wrote:

This is correct.

If you have a hand id for the hand (or the one previous to it) - press the manager button and they'll be able to view the hand and tell you what happened.

Tried that but got no response as I said before.

Glowingmind

Doesn't mean you can't try again if you're curious.

Shortstack

Patmac, sorry you had this bother. There are not many sites that have all in protection any more. With the commonness of broadband it is not required too often.

However you should have got a manager within a few minutes of pressing the button. If the network was having difficulties that may explain the wait as a lot of people would have been pinging managers.

Usually they are very quick, I have been contacting hosts a lot recently when signing people up and usually the response is within a minute.

DeVore

Never had a problem contacting a manager but I would not play on dialup with any network. Ever. Dialup in this country is just pants.

DeV.

ianmc38

Its taken me 10 minutes+ three times in the past two days after pinging a manager. Eventually got it sorted through email.

dvdfan

Party Poker have certain tables that have a "disconnect protect" on them. Altough ive never had to use them yet i believe they work as follows:

if your disconnected and someone raises while your disconnected your hand is treated as all in, so no more money will be taken from you and you will still be able to see the hand down to showdown but any raises that were called after you disconnected you wouldnt win obviously so there would be a side pot in this case. I think these tables offer 2 of these protection max so if your tempted to play dial-up again then this is the place to do it.

Ive never seen this but id imagine this could be abused. For instance, you have AA, you raise $10 before the flop show 9,10,J and then someone raises you all in, rather than fold that hand you could possibly disconnect your cable, get disconnected and go all in.

Dont know, did anyone every come across this sort of thing??

phantom_lord

dvdfan wrote:

Party Poker have certain tables that have a "disconnect protect" on them. Altough ive never had to use them yet i believe they work as follows:

if your disconnected and someone raises while your disconnected your hand is treated as all in, so no more money will be taken from you and you will still be able to see the hand down to showdown but any raises that were called after you disconnected you wouldnt win obviously so there would be a side pot in this case. I think these tables offer 2 of these protection max so if your tempted to play dial-up again then this is the place to do it.

Ive never seen this but id imagine this could be abused. For instance, you have AA, you raise $10 before the flop show 9,10,J and then someone raises you all in, rather than fold that hand you could possibly disconnect your cable, get disconnected and go all in.

Dont know, did anyone every come across this sort of thing??

I have seen it recommended on 2+2 when people are dicussing a hand once or twice, but I don't read there too much so I don't know if that's regular. i doubt too many people would do it. I never have anyway, and I don't think I've seen it done.

cardshark202

Usually when someone suggests it it is a joke. However people do use it to their advantage at times but it is generally frowned upon. People who use it suck at poker.

phantom_lord

cardshark202 wrote:

Usually when someone suggests it it is a joke. However people do use it to their advantage at times but it is generally frowned upon. People who use it suck at poker.

Where I saw it mentioned was where a guy hand pocket rockets on a fairly dangerous boards, almost certain they weren't joking, but yeah, if you've to resort to that you suck.

cardshark202

phantom_lord wrote:

Where I saw it mentioned was where a guy hand pocket rockets on a fairly dangerous boards, almost certain they weren't joking, but yeah, if you've to resort to that you suck.

If the person with AA was grimstarr then it was almost certainly a joke

patmac

DeVore wrote:

Never had a problem contacting a manager but I would not play on dialup with any network. Ever. Dialup in this country is just pants.

DeV.

No choice DeV, although I would love to play at work unfortunately I might be sacked if I did. I am just about ahead online but would be well up if I had Broadband which is why I am keeping my investment low at the moment. I might spend a couple of hours over the weekend downloading the software for Party Poker :rolleyes: (is that Ste05 free $75 bonus?). One of the worst feelings in the world is when in the middle of a big hand your connection drops it takes a lot of restraint to stop myself from doing this:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054971646
Just read it again and cheered me up no end.:D

ianmc38

It was Grimstarr and it was a joke.

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

It was Grimstarr and it was a joke.

How can u telll....

i think it was around 6 months ago and 2 guys said. Meh, doesn't really matter/