another lurker!!

BenZy

hey all,

i have been reading the forum for a while so decided to take the plunge. About me - doing MA on and off for a good few years. Have tried in my time karate aikido jujutsu and hapkido. have also had a quick look at bjj but not in any detail.

Lately (must be the advancing years ) have got a bit disillusioned with MA and have stopped training. I think i'm in the classical TMA / functional training dilemma - i can't keep training the TMA cause i know its not really going to work but not sure where to go from here.

i know most of the posters here have been in the same boat so.......
nice forum btw - some quality "discussions" i hope to put in my 2 c from here on in. i only have very irregular net access so bear with me,

BenZy

47MartialMan

BenZy wrote:

hey all,

i have been reading the forum for a while so decided to take the plunge. About me - doing MA on and off for a good few years. Have tried in my time karate aikido jujutsu and hapkido. have also had a quick look at bjj but not in any detail.

Lately (must be the advancing years ) have got a bit disillusioned with MA and have stopped training. I think i'm in the classical TMA / functional training dilemma - i can't keep training the TMA cause i know its not really going to work but not sure where to go from here.

i know most of the posters here have been in the same boat so.......
nice forum btw - some quality "discussions" i hope to put in my 2 c from here on in. i only have very irregular net access so bear with me,

BenZy

On the contrary, TMA is not a limitation of ability, but how is taught and what others perceive it.

I am satisfied in my TMA, though it is MMA and CMA, and my instructor KMA, as well as I had UMA, training to be GMA.

cowzerp

Very few tma are effective-mma is more real-based on real life and not code of honours..mma baby!!:D

kenpo_dave

cowzerp wrote:

Very few tma are effective-mma is more real-based on real life and not code of honours..mma baby!!:D

Whats "real life"?? MMA is based mainly on competition. How is standing a ring waiting for the ref to say go with the safety of rules and sometimes padding to protect you reality? I would consider what I do to be very traditional. We were gi's, we bow, we use Japanese, we do Kata. But we also do full contact sparring, sometimes bare knuckle to the body, grappling and some of our guys do compete and have won a couple of fights and will win more in the future. Traditional styles do work, provided the instructors and students actually know how to make it work.

Baggio...

Howdy...

Baggio.

47MartialMan

kenpo_dave wrote:

Whats "real life"?? MMA is based mainly on competition. How is standing a ring waiting for the ref to say go with the safety of rules and sometimes padding to protect you reality? I would consider what I do to be very traditional. We were gi's, we bow, we use Japanese, we do Kata. But we also do full contact sparring, sometimes bare knuckle to the body, grappling and some of our guys do compete and have won a couple of fights and will win more in the future. Traditional styles do work, provided the instructors and students actually know how to make it work.

Very well said.

Isnt sad that these MMA people tend to state the same over and over.

Each martial art that I had studied had exceptional practitioners that were better than I. (Their felow student). In a real rut, I saw many of them brutally defend themselves.

In actuality, all martial arts are MMA. Mixed when its creator had learned other martial arts, added something in. Each martial art were designed to be effective in their era. While true, some of these may have not evolve because of; 1.) The instructor had deceased and did not keep it current. 2.) The instructor's protege' did not want to change it out of respect. 3.) Students or practitoners of it did not stick with it long enough to develop better skills.

Being a martial artist for 40 years, I've seen martial art fads come and go. I started with Judo/Jiu Jitsu and got frowned upon because at that time, everyone was on the "boxing bandwagon".

I for one, was never on such a fad bandwagon and always had trained to be a full martial artist, realizing every martial art, even those whom want to categorized, have pros and cons.

gymrabbit

MMA isn't simply a mix or blend of martial arts. It's something that involves functional training in 3 superficial ranges, clinch, striking and ground. If your style training kicks/punches, throws/takedowns, submissions and holds on the ground it's something very MMA like. if you're training functionally then it's probably mma.

kenpo_dave

MMA is the term to describe mainstream competition based all-round fighting. MMA'ers just seem to have decided its a term to describe every all-round system. IMO, if my Kenpo instructor decided to add grappling to the syllabus it would still be Kenpo, not suddenly become something new just because he expanded the style.

gymrabbit

I'm just waiting for UltimateFighting-do to be the accepted term so we can all stop discussing semantics.

kenpo_dave

gymrabbit wrote:

I'm just waiting for UltimateFighting-do to be the accepted term so we can all stop discussing semantics.

agreed

47MartialMan

gymrabbit wrote:

I'm just waiting for UltimateFighting-do to be the accepted term so we can all stop discussing semantics.

This would be a terrible misnomer

HammerHeadGym

gymrabbit wrote:

I'm just waiting for UltimateFighting-do to be the accepted term so we can all stop discussing semantics.

Hahahahaha. Maybe it's the drugs but i cant stop laughing at this.

Anyway, hi Benzy, welcome to the martial arts forum. To answer your question, I did what most people would usually class as TMA for nearly 20 years. Some of it was good, most of it was fun but the only useful stuff was the stuff that was spared against resisting opponents. If the class you are in doesn't get around to sparring the techniques then it will take you nearly twenty years to be able to use them in either the street or the ring. Pressure testing. That's the thing.
I do Thai boxing and BJJ now. This stuff is the truth. At least the way it's trained is.

gymrabbit

nah it wouldn't. it would be very apt.

47MartialMan

kenpo_dave wrote:

MMA is the term to describe mainstream competition based all-round fighting. MMA'ers just seem to have decided its a term to describe every all-round system. IMO, if my Kenpo instructor decided to add grappling to the syllabus it would still be Kenpo, not suddenly become something new just because he expanded the style.

Strange, among some of the latest fights I had observed was a Kenpo guy wailing on another guy in a bar.

I knew he was a Kenpo guy, because he is a regular patron.

I didnt see anything mixed nor anything going to the ground. (Except much sanguinary)

kenpo_dave

No, in general, alot of Kenpo'ists can be quite isolationist. Although Ed Parker encourage students to train in and compete against others styles, the people who came after him were quite full of themselves and really got involved with the whole "too deadly to compete" mentality. The club I train in do however want to mix in other styles, particularly grappling, they just need a bit of a shove in the right direction to get things moving

BobbyOLeary

I'd agree with dave on the isolationist point. A lot of Kenpoists I've met are very closed minded about other styles, I've been lucky enough to train in a club where they don't really mind what other styles you've done. A good few of our black belts have training, if not a dan grade, in other arts, grappling included (though not the dan grade!).

47MartialMan

kenpo_dave wrote:

No, in general, alot of Kenpo'ists can be quite isolationist. Although Ed Parker encourage students to train in and compete against others styles, the people who came after him were quite full of themselves and really got involved with the whole "too deadly to compete" mentality. The club I train in do however want to mix in other styles, particularly grappling, they just need a bit of a shove in the right direction to get things moving

Indeed, I had met several. And one well known in particular.