Opinions: Jui Jitsu vs Aikido

Bushido Ireland

Have your say: David Caslin recently won a national final and studied in both arts, we are now looking to compile an opinion pole on which is the most effective for full contact competition....

Please provide your views, we're looking for some comments to post to our news letter and would like as much varied input as possible......

dlofnep

You're going to have to be a little more specific on what style of jiu-jitsu.

Dyr

there's about 4 different ways to spell jiu jitsu and you still got it wrong..:o

john kavanagh

Bushido Ireland wrote:

David Caslin recently won a national final and studied in both arts

A national final in what?

Bushido Ireland wrote:

we are now looking to compile an opinion pole on which is the most effective for full contact competition

define 'full contact'

spiral

what will you do with the pole after ?:)

dlofnep

define 'full contact'

Nothingcompares

To me Jiujitsu = BJJ and jujutsu/jujitsu = Something that isn't BJJ.

Jiujitsu > Aikido.
Jujutsu needs to be defined.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Bushido Ireland welcome to the forum.

Believe it or not the guys are trying to be helpful. If you define what JJ your talking about you'll find the guys here are a mine of information.

Bushido Ireland

Thanks for the comments so far everyone. Sorry for the confusion let me clarify, Jiu Jitsu in this thread is BJJ and "full contact" isn't bouncy castles and boxing gloves

John i'm especially grateful for your input here, as a MMA fighter you will have experience on the mat....

damo

The answer is BJJ, there is simply no doubt about it.

john kavanagh

Bushido Ireland wrote:

Thanks for the comments so far everyone. Sorry for the confusion let me clarify, Jiu Jitsu in this thread is BJJ and "full contact" isn't bouncy castles and boxing gloves

John i'm especially grateful for your input here, as a MMA fighter you will have experience on the mat....

so which delivery system, BJJ or Aikido, is better for MMA competition? the answer, as damo put it, is obvious.

gymrabbit

A friend of mine is a black belt in Judo and a black belt in "Jujutsu". He said he'd take a judo class for about 2 hours on a friday night and show us some of the Jujutsu. What he showed us would be fairly similar to aikido. Some flow drills into wrist locks from a range of attacks.

Of course, wrist locks work. They are effective. You bend people arms/legs/hands/feet/toes/neck in ways it's not supposed to go and you'll cause pain and will be able to control your partner/opponent. However, his methodology for teaching them was something I found fault in. The isolation stage was ok. He showed me a technique. Your partner grabs your lapel, you karate kid wax off swing you arm up and trap his wrist. Then you take his wrist with your second hand and using your thumbs bend the wrist palm towards wrist. You catch it a particualr way and you have a fair bit of control over your partner and can swing him on to the ground into a tasty omoplata. Unfortunetly, the next stage of the training was just doing a slightly more comlplex technique then another technique and then another techniques until the time was up.

I don't think any of these techniques would be effective in any full contact environment. Or at least, I certainly wouldn't be able to do any of them in a full contact environment. I'd consider myself of above average athletic ability and I wouldn't even attempt any of the techniques on a resisting opponent.

The reason I'm telling you this little story is when John Kavanagh implies the delivery system of BJJ is more effective then that of Aikido in a Full contact environment he means, the techniques may be very similar. Arm locks, take downs, throws, chokes, strangles, wrist locks, finger locks, but the methods for training them are vastly different. And the only way to get better at a technique and become skillful is to practice and the only way to get good technique and apply it to in a full contact environment is to practice that technique in a full contact environment and build up your skill level.

dlofnep

good post ^

john kavanagh

gymrabbit wrote:

However, his methodology for teaching them was something I found fault in. The isolation stage was ok. He showed me a technique. Your partner grabs your lapel, you karate kid wax off swing you arm up and trap his wrist. Then you take his wrist with your second hand and using your thumbs bend the wrist palm towards wrist.

this sounds more like introduction stage with no resistance?

gymrabbit wrote:

The reason I'm telling you this little story is when John Kavanagh implies the delivery system of BJJ is more effective then that of Aikido in a Full contact environment he means, the techniques may be very similar. Arm locks, take downs, throws, chokes, strangles, wrist locks, finger locks, but the methods for training them are vastly different.

spot on!

gymrabbit wrote:

And the only way to get better at a technique and become skillful is to practice and the only way to get good technique and apply it to in a full contact environment is to practice that technique in a full contact environment and build up your skill level.

mostly agree but i would just expand this a little bit and say the only way to improve your technique is through good introduction stage - back and forward with no resistance. the only way to become skillful (technique + timing) with those techniques ie apply them against a resisting opponent is to isolate them.
at the isolation stage you should work them against an opponent who adds progressive resistance. if the technique falls apart for you or anyone else who trys it when resistance is added then discard the technique, its fantasy.

Kent Brockman

I am a relative beginner to Bjj (8 months, twice per week) and think it is brilliant as a one to one fighting system. I have never learned Akido.
However I did roll (Starting standing and in clinch) with a guy who is a black belt in Akido and has >20 years experience.

He had no problems easily taking me to the ground from the clinch several times, but once on the ground I could easily get full mount or take his back and tap him out with RNC or several different armbars/locks . Being a beginner I was both surprised and chuffed:D

For this reason I believe BJJ must be far superior to Akido, as even a blue belt in BJJ can totally dominate me in the same situation.

edges

In the Uk I did some (limited) training in Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu under Henry Ellis, and some Goshin Ju Jitsu under the late Bill Rankin.

Both instructors are (were) of the old school, Bill was a PT and unarmed combat instructor in WWII, Henry was (as I was led to believe) a bit of a brawler.

Getting to the point, out of the two, I'd rather train the Goshin Ju Jitsu over the Aikido.

Both arts are effective but in my limited experience, ju jitsu has an edge on the street.

For the record, I have never trained in BJJ, and don't train for the ring/octagon.

Dyr

As far as I'm aware Henry Ellis is an aikido exponent and has been since the 1950's but he doesnt teach or study daito ryu?
Nothing to do with effectiveness but aikido isnt daito ryu.

pearsquasher

which is the most effective for full contact competition

BJJ vs Aikido????

I have to say that I honestly feel that this comparison is pretty crass. Anyone who voted one way or the other shows just how little they must know about aikido or martial arts in general. Hell I only practiced aikido for 3 months but I'm not blind to the fact that its an art wholeheartedly geared for peace and not fighting so how anyone thinks it has any chance against full contact competitive athletes in a sporting environment, is really beyond me. If you voted then at least read what Aikido is about before trying to compare it to a specialist sports-fighting art like BJJ.

Delivery system doesn't even come into it. If anything, the atacker in Aikido IS the delivery system for the defender. It takes a 5 min read of ANY book on Aikido to realise that. What's going to be next? Boxing vs taichi? C'mon...

Scramble

Tomiki Aikido, at least, includes comeptition. So does Shodokan Aikido, as far as I'm aware. I think it's a fair question.

Roper

pearsquasher wrote:

Delivery system doesn't even come into it. If anything, the atacker in Aikido IS the delivery system for the defender. It takes a 5 min read of ANY book on Aikido to realise that. What's going to be next? Boxing vs taichi? C'mon...

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term delivery system.

Instead of reading 5 minutes of that Aikido book, its probably better to spend a few hours sparring with practitioners of both arts, time better spent I think.

john kavanagh

pearsquasher wrote:

how anyone thinks it has any chance against full contact competitive athletes in a sporting environment

do you think it would matter what environment?

pearsquasher wrote:

Delivery system doesn't even come into it.

we're working with different definitions of 'delivery system' so pointless discussing it.

my definition of 'delivery system' is simply the techniques contained within the art/sport. the throwing techniques in aikido and judo are very similar, ergo their delivery systems are very similar.
however the training methods are very different. thats why, for the most part, a 'judo guy' with a similar length of time training to an 'aikido guy' will be much more effective at throwing a resisting opponent - regardless of the environment. this is very easy to test.

monkey tennis

Nothingcompares wrote:

To me Jiujitsu = BJJ and jujutsu/jujitsu = Something that isn't BJJ.

Jiujitsu > Aikido.
Jujutsu needs to be defined.

They're all just (equally correct or incorrect) approximations on rendering the pronunciation of '柔術' using roman characters. If you ever meet someone exclaiming that their way of writing juj(i|u)tsu is the only correct way, and they're not writing it in kanji, smack them!

edges

As far as I'm aware Henry Ellis is an aikido exponent and has been since the 1950's but he doesnt teach or study daito ryu?
Nothing to do with effectiveness but aikido isnt daito ryu.

You may be right, it was around 8 years ago I was in his area for a few months. Doesn't change that he's still the man!

His Aikido isn't really the soft gentle art that is usually advocated. I saw him hurt a student demonstrating, and he spoke alot about finishing opponents as quickly as possible. Still think Ju Jitsu is a more rounded system.

Dyr

Last time i checked the correct romanization of the term was decided on as jujutsu, however jiujitsu and jujitsu are earlier attempts at romanization and are also accepted as valid words by english dictionaries. The term jitsu apparently is a romanisation of another japanese character which gives a different meaning


kenjutsu
jojutsu
sojustu
iaijutsu
jujutsu
sorted

pearsquasher

I know there are competitive aikido systems but as far as I can gather, they're competitive within their own system, not in a mixed styles environment. Because of that I can take an educated guess and say that the reason why they compete on their own terms, isn't necessarily to "win" or test but to practice aikido dynamically.

"Couldn't they do that in MMA" I here you cry? Of course, but I think they'd have to have a LOT of experience in Aikido and I'm guessing by the time that happens, they'd be wholly uninterested in fighting/testing against anyone in mixed competition. Why do I think that? Because by then they'd probably be totally in touch with the overlying Aikido reason d'etre - peacefulness. I'm making general guesses here based on reading, doing Aikido a little while, chatting to my dad who studied it under one of Ueshibeis students in france for 4 years and my own involvment in non-sports MA for 20 years.

By "delivery system" I meant "way of effecting somebodys power or balance".
I think competitive Judo and Kano's judo may have diverged in this over the years, Aikido being closer to Kano's Judo perhaps. Just guessing.

Any aikidoka have any opinions on this?

I still stand by my opinion that the argument on "which is better" is rediculous given that they have different outlooks. Simply put, Aikido isnt about fighting whereas BJJ is. Its a no-brainer guys. Its exactly like comparing boxing and taichi.

dlofnep

Using peace to defend yourself in a physical way is an oxymoron.

BJJ is better. Quite simply because of it's training methods. You learn a technique, you drill it, then you drill it against a resisting partner and do so consistently, further enhancing your ability against a real person and not some guy who's going to grab you a certain way just so you can throw him properly.

Bottom line is, people can hide behind as many words as they want, but at the end of the day. There are two types of martial arts, ones that incorporate realism and ones that don't.

monkey tennis

Bambi wrote:

Last time i checked the correct romanization of the term was decided on as jujutsu

Dunno who appointed themselves to decide on that, but if you're using the 'ju' type of transliteration, 'juujutsu' would be more correct.

/me notices the tumbleweed silence, and slinks off back to the Japanese forum...

Clive

pearsquasher wrote:

Its exactly like comparing boxing and taichi.

What's so strange about that? I've seen t'ai chi fighters in san shou and MMA, so why couldn't we compare it to boxing?

People can train in aikido/BJJ/t'ai chi/boxing/whatever for their own personal enjoyment, artistic merit, fitness or any of the thousands of other reasons and more power to each person and their own path. However when we're talking about fighting (be it ring, cage, mats, STREET or schoolbus) we have a definite frame of reference.

judomick

pearsquasher wrote:

"Couldn't they do that in MMA" I here you cry? Of course, but I think they'd have to have a LOT of experience in Aikido .

no one style will ever work alone in the MMA arena, because it lacks stand up and ground, also i firmly believe a good wrestler would in no uncertain terms anihilate a Aikidoka

pearsquasher wrote:

By "delivery system" I meant "way of effecting somebodys power or balance".
I think competitive Judo and Kano's judo may have diverged in this over the years, Aikido being closer to Kano's Judo perhaps. Just guessing..

Thats not a delivery system its a principle of movement, competitive judo still utilises this principle, its impossible to throw anyone without breaking there balance unless you can pick them up and hurl them through the air baseball style,

pearsquasher wrote:

I still stand by my opinion that the argument on "which is better" is rediculous given that they have different outlooks..

there both martial arts, the whole point of the arts is to defeat an opponent?
so i think the argument is very valid, just a little un P.C

pearsquasher wrote:

Simply put, Aikido isnt about fighting whereas BJJ is. Its a no-brainer guys. Its exactly like comparing boxing and taichi.

Im sorry Aikido is about fighting, its a Martial Art, its not ballet

Dyr

judomick wrote:

Im sorry Aikido is about fighting, its a Martial Art, its not ballet

Many people/organisations in aikido insist that aikido is not about fighting or that fighting is not a central aspect of aikido.

monkeytennis wrote:

Dunno who appointed themselves to decide on that, but if you're using the 'ju' type of transliteration, 'juujutsu' would be more correct.

Meik Skoss, Donn Draeger, Karl friday, Willaim Bodiford and just about any other authority on Japanese Martial arts who put the effort into check their facts. But hey feel free to correct them.

monkeytennis wrote:

/me notices the tumbleweed silence, and slinks off back to the Japanese forum...

no tumbleweed here but i guess its as good a way as any to casually mention that you frequent the nihongo form

pearsquasher

IF aikido is applicable in a ring, MMA tournament, sports-arena etc, then we'd hear a lot more about it on this board, wouldn't we? It's simply not geared for that and doesn't pretend to be. It astounds me that some folks are trying to fit something they obviously don't know about into their perception of what a martial art is, just so they can compare it to what they think a martial art is. Apples and oranges.

Here's some quotes on aikido from the vary first entires i found in google.

Although the idea of a martial discipline striving for peace and harmony may seem paradoxical, it is the most basic tenet of the art.

from http://www.aikidofaq.com/introduction.html.

The aim of Aikido is a kindness of heart expressed through this spirit of budo.

from http://www.aikido.ie/aikidostart.htm.

The techniques of aikido can, when applied judiciously, divert or immobilize rather than damage or kill. As a result, some consider aikido to be a practical symbol of meeting aggression (physical, verbal, etc.) with an effective but merciful response, and finding harmony in conflict. Ueshiba declared, "To control aggression without inflicting injury is the Art of Peace[1]."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido.

Whereas, BJJ's first 3 entries in google say this:

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) is a martial art and combat sport that focuses on grappling and especially ground fighting with the goal of gaining a dominant position from which to force an attacker to submit.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu

Well i tried to get a defintion off here http://www.jenbjj.com/BJJ/
but got nowhere except tons of promotions about sports fighting.

and.........ditto for here http://www.jenbjj.com/

So a bit more research closer to home got me:

The Straight Blast Gym's curriculum is designed first and foremost to create effective, functional, comprehensive fighters - both for street and sport.

from http://www.sbgireland.com/

Im not saying BJJ cant produce nice well rounded chaps like aikido or anything. Im taking all this in the context of someone thinking the martial art of aikido is applicable in a sports event when it clearly isn't about that.

john kavanagh

wrote:

The Straight Blast Gym's curriculum is designed first and foremost to create effective, functional, comprehensive fighters - both for street and sport.

spot on! telling people how to live their lives and form the morals would be beyond our scope. we expect as mature, reflective adults they can do that themselves

judomick

pearsquasher wrote:

IF aikido is applicable in a ring, MMA tournament, sports-arena etc, then we'd hear a lot more about it on this board, wouldn't we? It's simply not geared for that and doesn't pretend to be. It astounds me that some folks are trying to fit something they obviously don't know about into their perception of what a martial art is,

but you said

pearsquasher wrote:

"Couldn't they do that in MMA" I here you cry? Of course, but I think they'd have to have a LOT of experience in Aikido ,

so am i misunderstanding you?

pearsquasher wrote:

Im taking all this in the context of someone thinking the martial art of aikido is applicable in a sports event when it clearly isn't about that.

Aikido is not about sports cool, but the thing is its a martial art a non-aggressive one, if people are doing it for spirituality thats fine, but you dont practice being peaceful in the dojo, you practice throwing, joint locks etc , same as judo really?!

The Main physical principle of Aikido is using your opponents aggression to subdue him ? is this correct?

because its the exact same principle that BJJ and Judo are built upon! Just because what you or many others get out of it regarding peacefulness spirituality, doesnt detract from the fact that it is an art designed for combat,

columok

Aikido is what would happen if you stuck a sub wrestling school/bjj school/wrestling school or judo school on an island and told them to practise without sparring continuously for 100 years. Things would be distorted and without sparring/competition (the most basic human empirical tool) to weed out bad techniques and bad training practices things would divert from the original.

And Morehei Ueshiba is hardly a centrefold for peace and love.So why listen?

Do as I say not as I do...

smacl

Any of you guys read Robert Twiggers 'Angry White Pyjamas'. The Aikido that it describes (Yoshinkan Aikido) is apparently trained by the Tokyo riot police, and comes across a brutal and seemingly effective system, albeit from an author new to martial arts. Interestingly, many of the instructors come across as a bunch of sadists, rather than tree hugging hippy spiritualists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_White_Pyjamas
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Angry-White-Pyjamas-Oxford-Trains/dp/0575401249

I have neither trained regularly in Aikido nor been to Japan, so I can only take this book at face value. It does however suggest to me there's more than one way to teach Aikido. Having practiced practical taijiquan for the past 10 years, I am used to seeing this phenomenon in Tai Chi, where the many popular western schools choose to ignore or water down competitive and martial aspects of the system. Why anybody would study a martial art that doesn't incorporate a significant amount of realistic sparring is beyond me.

The books an enjoyable enough read if you haven't already done so. I'd be interested to hear what the Aikidoka out there think of it.

Dyr

I used to train under instructors who did yoshinkan back in the 60s and they reckoned it was physically very tough. Bear in mind twigger was selling a story so there might be a bit of artistic licence going on but yeah they have rep for not being particularly gentle on their demo partners, what that has to do with fighting is anybodys guess

One story i was that one of the students was an asian and the japanese used to wristlock him so hard his hands were nearly useless. Apparently they used to crack up laughing when it meant he had to eat his meals like a dog...

Still gozo shioda did rapid demos..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUtQ1VA-qnY

pearsquasher

I read "Angry White Pyjamas" and while it was entertaining its completely removed from my experiences in Japanese dojo. The author came across as an idiot and the dojo he joined seemed like a right-wing hole of a place - then again I wouldnt take his written perception of it with too much salt.

Aikido is what would happen if you stuck a sub wrestling school/bjj school/wrestling school or judo school on an island and told them to practise without sparring continuously for 100 years. Things would be distorted and without sparring/competition (the most basic human empirical tool) to weed out bad techniques and bad training practices things would divert from the original.

That maybe true, an over-simplification, an ignorant statement, or downright misinformation but lets say you're right. Then why on earth is it being compared to a combat sport that does practice sparring continuously, if its, as you suggest, an unprogressive, extraneous, series of bad techniques?


It shouldn't be should it?


Thats my point folks. I don't practice aikido but know enough about it to know its not a competitive sport. If you want to talk about the spiritual side of it, I suggest you find an aikidoka to do it with, and good luck finding one who's going to engage with combat fighters about it.

judomick

pearsquasher, someone started a thread saying, which is better for combat/fighting BJJ or Aikido?

why cant they be compared? there both martial arts with exactly the same physical principles

so Aikido isnt sparred? alot like 80% of other martial arts

the op was not asking will aikido help in you in a fight or progress your mental state, he asked which is more effective for fighting?

cavedave

I have trained for a few years in Aikido and in BJJ.
If two people with equal training time in each and equal physical abilities fought the BJJ fighter would win.
If you find anyone who has trained for over a year in both and who says the Aikidoka would win i would be suprised.

47MartialMan

Hmmmn.....is there such a thing as BJJ outsideof, not practice or taught by B

gymrabbit

yes BJJ is taught all over the world by people of many different nationalities.

47MartialMan

gymrabbit wrote:

yes BJJ is taught all over the world by people of many different nationalities.

How can it be BJJ if not taught by B or in B?

gymrabbit

Ever eaten french fries in germany?
Ever had an Irish Whiskey in Thailand?

It almost sounds like you've never heard of Brazilian Jiujitsu.

47MartialMan

gymrabbit wrote:

It almost sounds like you've never heard of Brazilian Jiujitsu.

Whats the diff?

gymrabbit

Ok. I presume your question is genuine.

Brazilian Jiujitsu, BJJ, is a martial art made famous by the Gracie family. It's primarilly a grappling art, focused on ground fighting. The main concept is the use of skill over attributes/force. At first glance, it's not totally unlike Judo, however some BJJ schools train equally no-gi (no kimono), or completely no-gi (unlike judo schools which always use the gi).

Google it for more info.

47MartialMan

Could it be ostensible that BJJ is not too different than JJ, and Judo is slightly different than those.

dlofnep

No, BJJ is more like judo than any other art. If you wanted to get technical, BJJ is Kosen Judo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo) repackaged, remodelled and slightly expanded upon over the course of a century.

BJJ is very unlike traditional jiu-jitsu in it's training methods. It's very competition orientated, so there is alot of sparring, much like judo.

In simple terms, BJJ & judo are the same thing, with different emphasises. BJJ prefers groundwork while judo prefers standing. Judo has leglocks banned in competition.

Both are beautiful arts.

Millionaire

I did a "style" of Jusitju years back over in canada for a few months, (though I was also kickboxing more so, so eventually I droped the JJ for kickboxing).

It was a Canadian style of JJ, obviousy based on the Japanese stuff, and it was focused purely for SD.

It very much contained, pro active strikes like chin palm shots, esp uppercut style, chops to neck, fingers to eyes, knees to balls. usually it started standing and attacker displaced by 2 or 3 nasty strikes like neck chop, plam strike, knee to balls, hip throw, wrist lock, and foot on face.

It was quite like combatives, or some KM. It fact most of the clubs members were max security prision guards, royal canadian mounted police, local cop depts, and soldiers. these guys trained rough, and hard, and you would certainly get the rough treatment in training. some would hit you quite hard when doing the strikes, and throw you full power on the mat.

I used to see them do alot of choke too, and ground work, locks etc, and ploice baton work and restrain.

The vicious strike elment was impressive, and most of the people in the club male and female who has a year up, i d say would have been handy on the street. though they did do horse stance and karate style punches sometimes, which disappointed me greatly.

The club was around since the 70s and is under the World Kubo Fed. and also they had a very successful kickboxing gym, with a 15 year unbeat professional world champ, Jean Yves Theriault.

I would have like to have learned more of this system, it was very interesting.

47MartialMan

dlofnep wrote:

No, BJJ is more like judo than any other art. If you wanted to get technical, BJJ is Kosen Judo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo) repackaged, remodelled and slightly expanded upon over the course of a century.

BJJ is very unlike traditional jiu-jitsu in it's training methods. It's very competition orientated, so there is alot of sparring, much like judo.

In simple terms, BJJ & judo are the same thing, with different emphasises. BJJ prefers groundwork while judo prefers standing. Judo has leglocks banned in competition.

Both are beautiful arts.

Thank you. I know the diffrence of JJ and Judo.
I had studied them both.

Ever since the UFC, there has been much dialogue in BJJ. Over the course of time, from my observation, BJJ does not seem too disparate.

47MartialMan

Millionaire wrote:

I did a "style" of Jusitju years back over in canada for a few months, (though I was also kickboxing more so, so eventually I droped the JJ for kickboxing).

It was a Canadian style of JJ, obviousy based on the Japanese stuff, and it was focused purely for SD.

It very much contained, pro active strikes like chin palm shots, esp uppercut style, chops to neck, fingers to eyes, knees to balls. usually it started standing and attacker displaced by 2 or 3 nasty strikes like neck chop, plam strike, knee to balls, hip throw, wrist lock, and foot on face.

It was quite like combatives, or some KM. It fact most of the clubs members were max security prision guards, royal canadian mounted police, local cop depts, and soldiers. these guys trained rough, and hard, and you would certainly get the rough treatment in training. some would hit you quite hard when doing the strikes, and throw you full power on the mat.

I used to see them do alot of choke too, and ground work, locks etc, and ploice baton work and restrain.

The vicious strike elment was impressive, and most of the people in the club male and female who has a year up, i d say would have been handy on the street. though they did do horse stance and karate style punches sometimes, which disappointed me greatly.

The club was around since the 70s and is under the World Kubo Fed. and also they had a very successful kickboxing gym, with a 15 year unbeat professional world champ, Jean Yves Theriault.

I would have like to have learned more of this system, it was very interesting.

Gives attestant to how many people truely do not know that BJJ is not so different than JJ .

In my opinion, BJJ is more hyped.

The Bored One

47MartialMan wrote:

Thank you. I know the diffrence of JJ and Judo.
I had studied them both.

Ever since the UFC, there has been much dialogue in BJJ. Over the course of time, from my observation, BJJ does not seem too disparate.

That depends entirely on whether you're judging based on techniques, ojectives, or training methodolgy.