My GAA Football Rankings

patmac

Here are my GAA rankings based on the following criteria:
Championship win: 8pts Championship draw 4pts.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :24 pts
Provincial winners:12 pts League winners:4pts.
So for 2006 (2005 in brackets).
1(3) Kerry 106
2(11) Mayo 78
3(4) Dublin 58
3(9) Laois 56
5(2) Armagh 56
6(9) Cork 52
7(24) Westmeath42
8(27) Fermanagh40
8(19) Donegal 40
10(5) Galway 38
11(14) Meath 36
12(20) Offaly 34
13(8) Derry 32
14(28) Longford 30
14(1) Tyrone 30
16(18) Down 24
17(12) Sligo 22
17(15) Wexford 22
19(16) Louth 21
20(12) Kildare 20
21(21) Limerick 19
22(24) Roscommon18
23(16) Clare 14
23(7) Monaghan14
25(22) Carlow 12
26(6) Cavan 10
27(31) Tipperary 8
28(22) Leitrim 6
29(26) Antrim 4
29(30) Waterford4
31(29) Wicklow 2
32(32) London 0
33(33) New York 0


Last 5 years (previous 5 in brackets):
1(1) Kerry 470
2(1) Tyrone 390
3(3) Armagh 308
4(5) Mayo 270
5(6) Dublin 248
6(9) Laois 236
7(4) Galway 216
8(10) Fermanagh208
9(7) Westmeath196
10(7) Derry 184
11(13) Donegal 168
12(15) Cork 156
13(16) Limerick 145
14(17) Wexford 142
15(11) Meath 139
16(19) Offaly 129
17(12) Roscommon128
18(20) Down 126
19(14) Cavan 114
20(18) Sligo 110
21(23) Longford 99
22(21) Kildare 98
23(22) Monaghan86
24(24) Louth 78
25(25) Carlow 65
26(26) Clare 63
27(28) Leitrim 53
28(27) Antrim 45
29(30) Tipperary 43
30(29) Wicklow 27
31(31) Waterford8
32(31) London 4
33(33) New York 0

Feel free to comment if you think the criteria should change.

Pighead

Well the obvious flaw would seem to be Tyrone. Surely you don't think Meath, Fermanagh Offaly and Longford are better teams. And thats only 4, you could argue a case for Tyrone being better than a couple of others in the top 10 as well.

Oh and Louth should be higher. One of the most improved teams in the country. Better than Sligo who are ahead of them. Still an interesting idea.Pighead anticipates a lot of anger in this thread!

blackbelt

Yes there are teams who are higher than they should be.I'm surprised with the Westmeath ranking even if they are a good team.Longford I feel would beat Cavan if the two were to play and Derry are better than Meath and Offaly and Tyrone are too far down that list.I would at least place them in the top ten even if they were brutal this year.

patmac

Pighead wrote:

Well the obvious flaw would seem to be Tyrone. Surely you don't think Meath, Fermanagh Offaly and Longford are better teams. And thats only 4, you could argue a case for Tyrone being better than a couple of others in the top 10 as well.

Oh and Louth should be higher. One of the most improved teams in the country. Better than Sligo who are ahead of them. Still an interesting idea.Pighead anticipates a lot of anger in this thread!

These rankings are based completely on results and Tyrone had a poor championship (which is the important one as most boardsters think)with just one win and one draw this year against Louth which was their only points gained. The five year rankings are probably more accurate because of Tyrone's injury crisis this year.
Longford had a very good championship beating Derry who beat Tyrone and Westmeath beat Galway in Salthill to make the Quarter-final and got promoted so people should not be surprised by that ranking either.
The five-year ranking could be used for seeding in the qualifiers with the lower teams having home advantage.

Gobán Saor

Nice idea - I like it - needs a wee bit of fine tuning, though.

Firstly, 4 points for a championship draw doesn't make sense. Not for the winner anyway. If A beats B at the first time of asking, A gets 8 ranking points. If A beats B after a replay, A gets 12. No logic there.

Secondly, not all wins are equal, I'd propose giving higher weight to wins in each successive round of the championship. Winning a AI semi-final is worth more than a 1st round provincial championship or qualifier.

Flukey

You should also be including the other competitions, like the O'Byrne Cup, MCKenna Cup, McGrath Cup and Connacht League. You'd have to include Kilkenny too.

squire1

Yes, your weighting system needs to be tweeked. As said winning an AI semi Final against Kerry should be worth more that winning a first round provincial match against Longford. i.e beating higher ranked teams should be worth more than beating lower ranked teams.

Good idea tho'

patmac

squire1 wrote:

Yes, your weighting system needs to be tweeked. As said winning an AI semi Final against Kerry should be worth more that winning a first round provincial match against Longford. i.e beating higher ranked teams should be worth more than beating lower ranked teams.

Good idea tho'

Not a good idea to pick on Longford as they beat Derry who beat Tyrone reigning All-Ireland champs and ran the Dubs to two points, the weighting system would be difficult , I would say over five years that most counties would have an easy game as in Connacht every team plays New York on a rotating basis. We could offer 12 bonus points for AI semi-final winners, but to get to the SF's they would have had to play at least 3 games so would have accumulated 36 points anyway.
I take in the idea of getting 12 points for a team who wins after a replay I will try and adjust that one, but might need help some help with it. I don't see the point in adding in the O'Byrne Cups etc as they are only used to try out players and are not taken seriously by the stronger teams.
Is everybody happy with the league points situation?

cournioni

blackbelt wrote:

Yes there are teams who are higher than they should be.I'm surprised with the Westmeath ranking even if they are a good team.Longford I feel would beat Cavan if the two were to play and Derry are better than Meath and Offaly and Tyrone are too far down that list.I would at least place them in the top ten even if they were brutal this year.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Cavan will be a completely different team when get back their key players (remember they were missing 7 key players this year). I am confident with Keogan in charge, that Cavan will do very well next year.

blackbelt

No offence Pornapster but I feel Longford would beat Cavan if the two were to meet.Remember,Cavan had a very short season in 2006 while Longford played the best football of their lives running every opposition to the final whistle.They certainly gave a better account of themselves against Kerry than Mayo did and they nearly upset Dublin.

Derry who are very big potential banana skins were beaten by a determined Longford outfit that wasn't going to ly down and be knocked out in such a tight match.As a Dublin man,I would be more cautious and edgy if we had to play Longford again next Summer.They were a completely different team to 2005.

cournioni

blackbelt wrote:

No offence Pornapster but I feel Longford would beat Cavan if the two were to meet.Remember,Cavan had a very short season in 2006 while Longford played the best football of their lives running every opposition to the final whistle.They certainly gave a better account of themselves against Kerry than Mayo did and they nearly upset Dublin.

None taken. But I feel if you had Cavan's strongest team out against Longford's strongest team it would be a completely different story. Cavan had severe injury problems last year and although I agree with us being ranked 26th on performances from last year, I think we will jump up at least ten places on that next year when we get the likes of Forde, Walsh, Lyng, Rabbitte, Paddy Brady, Jason Reilly and possibly Trevor Crowe and Pierse McKenna back onto the team.

ardmacha

A team that reaches the quarter finals unbeaten needs to have a higher rating than one that had been beaten. In the table above Laois has a higher score for 2006 than Armagh when Armagh as provincial champions and unbeaten should have been higher than Laois who had been beaten.

homerjay2005

how about something like this, this would be a good way of "weighting" the results.


provence -

prelim round win - 3 points, draw 1 point
round 1 win - 4 points, draw 1 point
semi final win- 5points, draw 2 points,(bonus - participation 2 points_
final win - 8 points, draw 3 points,(bonus - participation 3 points)


qualifiers

round 1 win - 2 points
round 2 win - 4 points
round 3 win - 6 points (bonus - participation 2 points)
round 4 win - 8 points (bonus - participation 3 points)

Quarter finals
Win - 12 points, draw 4 points (bonus - participation 4 points)

Semi Final
win - 15 points, draw 6 points (bonus - participation 6 points)

Final

win 25 points, draw 12 points (bonus - participation 12 points)

now id like to see someone work that out!!!!

to make it more complicated -

league if you wanna add it in -

4 points for every league point gained

add in some bonuses then like -
bonus - 20 points if more than 10 goals scored throughout the whole campaign
bonus - an extra point, for every 10 points scored through the whole campaign
10 points for making semi finals
15 points for making the finals
20 for the winners

patmac

homerjay2005 wrote:

how about something like this, this would be a good way of "weighting" the results.


provence -

prelim round win - 3 points, draw 1 point
round 1 win - 4 points, draw 1 point
semi final win- 5points, draw 2 points,(bonus - participation 2 points_
final win - 8 points, draw 3 points,(bonus - participation 3 points)


qualifiers

round 1 win - 2 points
round 2 win - 4 points
round 3 win - 6 points (bonus - participation 2 points)
round 4 win - 8 points (bonus - participation 3 points)

Quarter finals
Win - 12 points, draw 4 points (bonus - participation 4 points)

Semi Final
win - 15 points, draw 6 points (bonus - participation 6 points)

Final

win 25 points, draw 12 points (bonus - participation 12 points)

now id like to see someone work that out!!!!

to make it more complicated -

league if you wanna add it in -

4 points for every league point gained

add in some bonuses then like -
bonus - 20 points if more than 10 goals scored throughout the whole campaign
bonus - an extra point, for every 10 points scored through the whole campaign
10 points for making semi finals
15 points for making the finals
20 for the winners

Off with ye go then.

patmac

OK thanks for the feedback I have adjusted this to suit,
rankings based on the following criteria:
Championship win: 8pts Championship draw 4pts only 4 pts for winning a replay giving a total of eight for the win.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :36 pts
Provincial winners:24 pts League winners:8pts.
So for 2006 (2005 in brackets).
Kilkenny added:
1(3) Kerry 122
2(9) Mayo 86
3(4) Dublin 70
4(2) Armagh 60
4(9) Cork 60
6(9) Laois 56
7(24) W'stm'th 42
8(19) Donegal 40
8(26) Fermngh 40
10(5) Galway 38
11(14) Meath 36
12(20) Offaly 34
13(28) Longford 30
14(12) Kildare 28
15(1) Tyrone 26
16(8) Derry 24
16(16) Down 24
18(12) Wexford 22
18(15) Sligo 22
20(17) Louth 21
21(21) Limerick 19
22(6) Monagha 18
22(24) Roscomm 18
24(17) Clare 14
25(22) Carlow 12
26(6) Cavan 10
27(31) Tipperary 8
28(22) Leitrim 6
29(26) Antrim 4
29(30) Waterfor 4
31(29) Wicklow 2
32(32) London 0
32(32) New York 0
32(32) Kilkenny 0
5 year period:
1(2) Kerry 480
2(1) Tyrone 406
3(3) Armagh 398
4(5) Dublin 292
5(4) Galway 266
5(6) Mayo 266
7(7) Laois 243
8(13) Cork 198
9(12) Fermngh 190
10(14) Donegal 182
11(10) W'stm'th 168
12(8) Derry 160
13(9) Meath 146
14(11) Roscommo132
15(18) Limerick 131
16(19) Offaly 127
17(15) Sligo 126
18(17) Kildare 125
19(16) Cavan 116
20(20) Wexford 114
21(21) Down 110
22(22) Louth 93
22(24) Longford 93
24(23) Monaghan89
25(26) Clare 67
26(28) Tipperary 63
27(27) Leitrim 59
28(25) Carlow 57
29(29) Antrim 44
30(30) Wicklow 28
31(31) Waterford9
32(32) London 2
33(33) New York 0
33(33) Kilkenny 0

Blackjack

patmac wrote:

OK thanks for the feedback I have adjusted this to suit,
rankings based on the following criteria:
Championship win: 8pts Championship draw 4pts only 4 pts for winning a replay giving a total of eight for the win.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :36 pts
Provincial winners:24 pts League winners:8pts.
So for 2006 (2005 in brackets).
Kilkenny added:
1(3) Kerry 122
2(9) Mayo 86

list continues....

Looks good - the rankings from this year seem reasonably accurate from how the championship and League ended up, and the 5 year span appears to be OK from what I can see as well. Good work!.

sonic juice

indeed.

il gatto

Pighead wrote:

Well the obvious flaw would seem to be Tyrone. Surely you don't think Meath, Fermanagh Offaly and Longford are better teams. And thats only 4, you could argue a case for Tyrone being better than a couple of others in the top 10 as well.

Oh and Louth should be higher. One of the most improved teams in the country. Better than Sligo who are ahead of them. Still an interesting idea.Pighead anticipates a lot of anger in this thread!

Louth have proved nothing yet. Sligo were robbed by a point by Westmeath (a point that was a yard wide) in the third round. They'd beaten Down in the first, Leitrim (no biggie, I know) and then that refereeing debacle which left three Sligo players off and a dodgy score awarded. Louth managed a draw against Tyrone, and were beaten in the replay. And Tyrone were poor this year. They exited in the next round. In the Championship, Sligo would beat Louth. And the Championship is what matters. Louth may be the most improved team, but look where they were starting from.