I think I played this badly but......

mfitz20

Cash Game PL Holdem 1 2
first hand after moving table No Reads
my stack 325 villian 700

Dealt Ad Jd in MP I raise to approx 20 after 3/4 limpers villian calls
flop As 8s 9c

I bet pot 60(approx) Villian raises to 150 I push making it another 100 approx for villian to call
Villian dwells but finally calls with 6s 7s
Turn 10s river Ac

Was this ridiculous play on my part?
I had decided that i had been too passive and had been bet out of several hands on previous table. Was this just costly aggression or muppet play ?

Appreciate any comments.

cooker3

I don't think you played it particulary well, the raise to 20 seems a tad high, I probably make it 15 with about 3 or 4 villians if I raise at all. What was the aim of the raise, to eliminate some players, to take pot there and then? I think with AJ, I may flat call and go for flush or just plain lay it down, you are raising 10bb with AJ and are oop, this is not a receipe for success.

On the flop, a bet of 40 would do same job as bet of 60, your just further inflating the pot with marginal hand, when you get raised then you really have to be wary, what do you put him on, I assume you think he had a draw and thought you were ahead, well if so then I suppose your following your read which is reasonable, if he is sort of person who raises with draw then I suppose his range is wide enough to call and seeing as your so short, if your calling then your raising so I can live with this play.

Overall I think your main mistake is pre flop by raising so much, btw his call is terrible imo.

phantom_lord

I wouldn't play aj anywhere near as hard as this. I'd prob fold to a big reraise, and wouldn't have raised so much in the first place.

Wallko

yeah i was at the table when this happened, if you had been at the table for even five minutes you would have folded so fast it would make your head spin, your man was a complete rock,

just pointin out that you didnt reraise all in for 100 more, it was actually 170 more.. to be honest i couldnt believe the hand you turned over, i thought you had at least ak, probably aces.

given the fact that you had no read on your opponent i still think it was a crazy move, there is no hand really he is going to call with that you are ahead of, basically you got stacked for 350ish wit aj on an ace high flop, crazy

Wallko

also after you left we were discussing the hand with the guy, he said he nearly folded after your reraise, we asked him if he knew that he was basically 50/50 with a set of aces.. he said he did but still nearly folded!!

Wallko

Overall I think your main mistake is pre flop by raising so much, btw his call is terrible imo.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious???:eek:
he has 150 already in and its only costing him another 170, plus hes 50/50 against any set and ahead of the rest of his possible hands suck as ak

cooker3

Wallko wrote:

Overall I think your main mistake is pre flop by raising so much, btw his call is terrible imo.

Are you serious???:eek:
he has 150 already in and its only costing him another 170, plus hes 50/50 against any set and ahead of the rest of his possible hands suck as ak[/QUOTE]

sorry should it made it clearer, his call pre flop was bad, he clearly has to call the re-raise on the flop with that hand.

Gholimoli

The raise pre flop is fine as long as you don’t do it every time.
AJ from middle position is not that bad to chase out limpers with.
Your hand is prob the best hand right now the early players have not shown that they have a better hand so its correct to charge them and make them pay for limping.
So your pre flop raise is not that bad.
You could also limp behind there with AdJd to play a multiway pot but you have to be careful if you do this your really playing for flush/Str value and your TP here loses value so be careful not to go broke on A or J high flop if you decide to limp.

You fecked it up post flop really.
Your bet was too big (which is not all that bad) but when you bet that big and get reraised the villain clearly has got something and its not that hard to be ahead of AJ really is it?
You should have released the hand there and then IMO unless you new the villain was donkey or a very aggressive player in which case your push would have been fine on this board.
Bet a little less next time,if you get raised either fold or just call and if turn completes flush/str just check fold.

ianmc38

I dont see a problem with this hand. You got outdrawn.

I think the preflop raise is fine and betting the pot on an ace high flop is standard. If the guy's a total rock, there's no shame in letting it go when he raises you on the flop, a sthere's not much that you're beating.

Bandana boy

your figures seem a good bit off as to what you could raise pre and on the flop

mfitz20

Bandana boy wrote:

your figures seem a good bit off as to what you could raise pre and on the flop

Yeah ur prob right. I left the table str8 away so i was a bit hazy on the details. L8r I remembered playing a final tournament table with the villian and I remembered his rock like play. so if there's any lesson(s) to be learned one of them is probably to do with taking a few hands to suss out the table.

thanks everyone for the comments.