PLO Flop top set, dude leads pot

fuzzbox

PLO 10 handed - 2/4
Villain has 1800, I dont know him tho.
I havent been here long and have ~400

Preflop
villain open limps utg, some other limpers, I pot from the button with AAQ7 with a suited Ace, villain calls, one limper calls

Flop (80)
As 7d 4d (I have no diamonds)
Villain leads for 80, limper folds ... I really am considering calling .... anybody like a call?

gosplan

guess it depends on whether you want to gamble,


if so call, if not pot. Even if you repot though he nearly gets 3-1 so chances are you're going all the way regardless.

fuzzbox

gosplan wrote:

Even if you repot though he nearly gets 3-1

....erm ... ???

cardshark202

I was writing a long waffly response about what to do depending if you had the Ad or not. But then i figured, mneh, repotting is best normally, especially against a guy with a large tank who may like to gamble with a smaller set or a weak wrap.

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

I was writing a long waffly response about what to do depending if you had the Ad or not. But then i figured, mneh, repotting is best normally, especially against a guy with a large tank who may like to gamble with a smaller set or a weak wrap.

See the bit above when I say that (I have no diamonds). Theres a hint as to whether I hold the Ad or not.

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luckyvegas7

call , pot a blank turn....

fuzzbox

luckyvegas7 wrote:

call , pot a blank turn....

Why?

cardshark202

fuzzbox wrote:

See the bit above when I say that (I have no diamonds). Theres a hint as to whether I hold the Ad or not.

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oops.

the board is full of draws calling will make life far too difficult on the turn.

luckyvegas7

because you know your ahead and safe to put the rest of your money in the pot... hes probably drawing to alot of outs here maybe 17. Im just giving one approach here...

luckyvegas7

cardshark202 wrote:

oops.

the board is full of draws calling will make life far too difficult on the turn.

i dont think he is folding to a pot bet if he does have a strong draw as he has u well covered, if the turn brings a scare card and he hits, u cant fold as most of your stack is in the middle.

fuzzbox

luckyvegas7 wrote:

because you know your ahead and safe to put the rest of your money in the pot... hes probably drawing to alot of outs here maybe 17. Im just giving one approach here...

I know the options, I want to know why you suggest what you suggested. Thanks.

fuzzbox

luckyvegas7 wrote:

i dont think he is folding to a pot bet if he does have a strong draw as he has u well covered, if the turn brings a scare card and he hits, u cant fold as most of your stack is in the middle.

surely thats an argument for shove ?

Sangre

sounds like one to me

luckyvegas7

fuzzbox wrote:

surely thats an argument for shove ?

shove on a scare card?..why..

im only pointing out that if i call the flop, i can fold the turn... if i pot the flop i cant fold... i know your thinking why wud i fold the turn, but if a D hits i am inclined to... he may check his to flush to you, and hope for the board to pair on the river....

is this a bad approach?....

fuzzbox

luckyvegas7 wrote:

shove on a scare card?..why..

im only pointing out that if i call the flop, i can fold the turn... if i pot the flop i cant fold... i know your thinking why wud i fold the turn, but if a D hits i am inclined to... he may check his to flush to you, and hope for the board to pair on the river....

is this a bad approach?....

yes - it seems like bad reasoning for a call to me. If you feel like you wont know what to do on a scare card, then put your money in on the flop.

luckyvegas7

yea mayb its just all those bad beats ive been getting, make me cautious lol

Mr. Flibble

fuzzbox wrote:

PLO 10 handed - 2/4
Villain has 1800, I dont know him tho.
I havent been here long and have ~400

Preflop
villain open limps utg, some other limpers, I pot from the button with AAQ7 with a suited Ace, villain calls, one limper calls

Flop (80)
As 7d 4d (I have no diamonds)
Villain leads for 80, limper folds ... I really am considering calling .... anybody like a call?

I havn't read any of the other replys but I really do like a call. I would plan to pot any turn when I have still have the nuts or near nuts. It seems possible that he has a massive draw but there are a whole load of cards that can come where ill still have the nuts. If you repot the flop he probably would put you on top set if he dosnt know you. Villan knows any bet by either of us will pot commit me which isnt a great situation to be in unless u want to be in it.


disclamor: i cant play omaha

RoundTower

I usually raise, but then people pay me off with all kinds of crap. I am more inclined to call against an opponent where we have a bit of history, not an unknown.

Mellor

luckyvegas7 wrote:

call , pot a blank turn....

Theres not many blank cards on that board.
alot of cards complete draws, 2 3 5 6 8 and any diamond except the ace. I that only leaves 20 blanks out of the 45 left.

luckyvegas7

Theres not many blank cards on that board.
alot of cards complete draws, 2 3 5 6 8 and any diamond except the ace. I that only leaves 20 blanks out of the 45 left

yes i know, still think id rather see one of those 20blank before the rest goes in.

Samba

Auto-bet-Pot.

If villain knows what he is doing and the turn is a blank/pairs the board on the turn he will most likely shut up shop. Apu - Thank you come again.

If we re-pot however we also hang a sign over our heads advertising we have AA so what hand will call us?

56d6x8x, 56d 7x7x. Top two with the nut diamond draw might come along for a ride.

Calling is not really an option.

I don't know villain, my stack is not deep, i repot and let the poker gods decide our fate. Deep stacked play is the only time to consider a call and i'll only repot with the diamond draw to go with the top set.

RoundTower

Luckyvegas/Samba,
the idea of calling is not so that we don't lose our whole stack if villain has a draw and hits a really obvious scare card on the turn. Rather it is to encourage him to pay us off with something like middle set.

fuzzbox

Results:
I repotted it and he passed. Grumble. ... still its probably better that he did, cos surely he would hit his gutshot.

btw - RT is right about the reason for calling - its to help him stack off with top two or middle set/bottom set that we have crushed. If he has a big draw, then he is most likely going to play regardless of what we do.