ATM Machines

faceman

ok so we as a race and with our technology:

* Can land on the moon
* can have a machine breath for someone
* have microchipes smaller than what the tip of your finger

but with all our technology advances we cant invent an ATM that asks you a simple multiple choice question - how much money do you want to withdraw and dispense that amount!!

Why does a machine let you select €50 and then tell you it can only dispense in €20 notes??? And then when you go back to select again, €50 is still an option!!

Its harder than Suduko!!

wba88

i know wrecks ur head especially when ur in a hurry!

Sillyaspie

get over yourself,
big deal.
More worrying issues to concern our specie with.

faceman

Sillyaspie wrote:

get over yourself,
big deal.
More worrying issues to concern our specie with.

like what?

subway

hah,
i love them machines that dont take your card inside
"insert card"
"remove card"
"insert card"
"remove card"
"enter pin"
"insert card"

its my favorite game, its a bit like tetris.
can be confusing when your drunk though

LadyJ

It's just ATM. The "m" stands for "machine".

subway

LadyJ wrote:

It's just ATM. The "m" stands for "machine".

zing!

bluto63

faceman wrote:

Its harder than Suduko!!

Is that supposed to show how hard it is?

Ruu_Old

ATMs are great fun, sure I always enter my pin incorrectly just to see it eat my card up. Hours of entertainment going in and out of the bank getting your pin reset.

LadyJ

[Dylan Moran] Just show me the button with the picture of the pint on it! [/Dylan Moran]

faceman

bluto63 wrote:

Is that supposed to show how hard it is?

no you have to work that out for yourself.

Muzzy

It's even worse when the ATM accepts yer card.......Accepts yer Pin......Lets you enter the desired amount......makes noise, you think you got yer money on the way and BANG.....Yer account balence is zip

Could it not have told me when I entered my PIN.



........And yes, I am a student(well, just finished), how did ye guess?

Dooom

What always scares me is the "Enter amount in multiples of 20".
Wtf? I want a friggin' tenner!

stepbar

because someone has taken out too many 20's and there's no more left.... thats why theres only 50's left Okay?

WhiteWashMan

LadyJ wrote:

It's just ATM. The "m" stands for "machine".

all terrain machine?

i aint never seen one in the desert yet

AdMMM

The Multiples of twenty confused me for a while. I used to keep entering in "3" expecting to get €60 only to find an error instead! I don't mind them generally. The "EasyCash" ones that ask you to remove your card before entering in your pin are annoying however. Oftentimes it doesn't register you putting in your card or taking it out and just freezes. Very annoying!

optiplexgx270

When this happens to me i follow this guys example.

http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/index.blog?entry_id=1560245

fly_agaric

LadyJ wrote:

It's just ATM. The "m" stands for "machine".

But its kind of forgivable. No?
ATM is sort of one of those acronyms which has become a word in itself, like Laser, Radar, Lcd, Led etc (although I suppose it really needs more vowels to really become just another word in the way Radar and Laser (and Led?) have....).

L31mr0d

PEBCAK in fairness.

Its an ATM for gods sake, I never have a problem with them... because I know how to use them. Those people that spend more than 20 seconds at an ATM getting money out are to me your archetypal "twelve o'clock blinkers", as in all their appliances in their house are blinking 12:00 constantly. Just learn what is needed of you to get your money out and then repeat that the next time. When withdrawing money, try and choose a value that is a multiple of 20, you will have a greater chance of getting it first try.

andrew163

Don't the UlsterBank (I think.. might be some other bank) ones tell you when you can't have certain multiples?

Nehpets

They're not THAT bad but I agree they could be better

nobodythere

Muzzy wrote:

........And yes, I am a student(well, just finished), how did ye guess?

Students are loaded they just blow all their money on crap.

Yes it is fairly lazy programming indeed, but considering that every single one does it and there's a few different versions of ATM software around there must be some logical reason....



....There's wally.

Sparky

I find the BOI atms bang on. Any of the others are old and slow.

In branch cash machines are a pain in the arse.
I was using one in a spar. I waited 2 minutes then a message came up saying it couldn't communicate with the bank.
Low and behold the cashier was on the phone.

Muzzy

grasshopa wrote:

Students are loaded they just blow all their money on crap.

Buckie & credit is not crap thank you very much!!!

Be nice, you may end up working for me someday!!!! (My tonge is giving me a pain in the cheek now; I hope yer happy!!)

Black Swan

Was behind a guy waiting my turn for the ATM. He apparently was not pleased with what was happening, as he started swearing at the machine. He then wacked it with the palm of his hand and charged off, still swearing. I am always amazed when someone starts talking to machines. No, you are not Neo and this is not The Matrix.

slade_x

faceman wrote:

ok so we as a race and with our technology:

* Can land on the moon
* can have a machine breath for someone
* have microchipes smaller than what the tip of your finger

but with all our technology advances we cant invent an ATM that asks you a simple multiple choice question - how much money do you want to withdraw and dispense that amount!!

Why does a machine let you select €50 and then tell you it can only dispense in €20 notes??? And then when you go back to select again, €50 is still an option!!

Its harder than Suduko!!

Because the problem starts with the spooling and so is not a feature of the system. when you select €50 that input is only queried in the system when it requests to feed the spools. not when it gives you the amount selection

Basically it only knows it can not dispense 2x€20 and 1x€10 when it goes to actually get the €10. it doesnt check the supply when it gives you the amount withdrawal options (eg. €20, 40, 50, 60, 80, etc...).

Its a relatively simplistic system, to overcomplicate it would add to resources and not to mention add more issues to troubleshoot. the ATM is simplistic to keep downtime to a minimum.

Lastly as im sure you may already know the ATM doesnt have a direct feed from the vault so it has to be stocked with a limited amount of notes. hence it will inevitably run out of certain notes.

OR

The simple sarcastic answer you could have come to yourself:

Because its not programmed to!!

As its more cost effective to leave that simple choice up to the human operator, that being you. If you really need €50 and it cant dispense €10's or 1x€50 then whats so complicated about withdrawing €60


Also we as a race dont have the means to execute or have the technology you mentioned available to us anyway. The more important thing to know about us as a race is greed/ cost effectiveness

And to be a complete ass, i think the more pressing question would be, how we as a race with all our technology, do not progress as with our technologies. Of all the other questions to ask ill pose the the question how haven't we eliminated world poverty, etc, etc, etc....

We're still cavemen/ women we just have fancier tools at our disposal, as the only thing that ever changes over time, is our technology and the gods we choose to worship.

Hobbes

heh thought the thread was about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmW_4R81jVU

Although I am not sure if any Irish ATM machines are flawed.

The thing that annoys the fuk out of me is the ATM in clarehall. Card in, withdraw 400.. sorry you have a limit of 200. Withdraw 200, get money, put card back in and withdraw 200 again. get money.

The Gentleman

L31mr0d wrote:

PEBCAK in fairness.

Its an ATM for gods sake, I never have a problem with them... because I know how to use them. Those people that spend more than 20 seconds at an ATM getting money out are to me your archetypal "twelve o'clock blinkers", as in all their appliances in their house are blinking 12:00 constantly. Just learn what is needed of you to get your money out and then repeat that the next time. When withdrawing money, try and choose a value that is a multiple of 20, you will have a greater chance of getting it first try.

I'm with you there.

I get extremely frustrated with imbeciles taking forever to carry out blindingly simple transactions at ATMs.

It would appear that we have a lot of 'first timers' living among us.

nobodythere

Still, once it goes to get the €10 note and realises it ain't there, it wouldn't be a big deal to take €10 off the menu!

Skittlebrau

What annoys me is that when I'm home in Ireland and want to check my AIB balance I have to go to an AIB ATM but in America or Australia I can check my AIB balance from any ATM.

How hard can it be to integrate all the Irish banks?

astrofool

slade_x is kinda right in that they try and keep the machine as stupid as possible to reduce errors that may occur and let the human operating the machine deal with its limitations.

But the real answer in why the machine can't know to remove those values from the menu, is that to update the machine costs money, and banks have never been about spending money unnecessarily.

Tony Danza

Skittlebrau wrote:

What annoys me is that when I'm home in Ireland and want to check my AIB balance I have to go to an AIB ATM but in America or Australia I can check my AIB balance from any ATM.

How hard can it be to integrate all the Irish banks?

I noticed whenever I check my balance abroad it gives me a figure but it's not my balance. Except once in England I checked my balance on an ATM and it was correct (except it said in sterling).

Just came back from America a while ago and the ATM's over there are terrible. You have to put in the amount you want to take out exactly, e.g. 60.00 despite the fact that an ATM won't let you take out 60.50, so what's the point?? Then sometimes it gives you back your ATM card before your cash and other times it gives it back after your cash, so a lot of people would leave their ATM cards after them (know 2 people to do it while over there). And none of the ATM gives 50's so if you take out a few hundred it's all in 20's!! And one last point, if you use an ATM machine thats not your bank you pay around 2 or 3 dollars for the privilage!

So basically I think we have it ok with our ATMs!

Skittlebrau

Tony Danza wrote:

Just came back from America a while ago and the ATM's over there are terrible. You have to put in the amount you want to take out exactly, e.g. 60.00 despite the fact that an ATM won't let you take out 60.50, so what's the point?? Then sometimes it gives you back your ATM card before your cash and other times it gives it back after your cash, so a lot of people would leave their ATM cards after them (know 2 people to do it while over there). And none of the ATM gives 50's so if you take out a few hundred it's all in 20's!! And one last point, if you use an ATM machine thats not your bank you pay around 2 or 3 dollars for the privilage!

So basically I think we have it ok with our ATMs!

1) I would tend to agree with your first point about putting in the exact amount but I do know people who when faced with just a list of amounts have pressed the wrong one by mistake and I also have a mate who has a habit of coming up over your shoulder and pressing 200 when you only want 20 (which is bloody annoying especially if you have an overdraft) so it does get rid of that problem.

Incidentally over here in Melbourne, some of the ATMs ask you to confirm the amount again and even ask what combination of notes you want (way too many questions IMO, it takes too long)

2) I have no sympathy for anyone who forgets their card after using an ATM. There's only 2 things to remember when using one (3 if you get a receipt). It's not exactly rocket science!!!

3) In my experience, the twenty in the States seems to be the "standard" note. A lot of smaller shops don't accept (or at the very least don't like to accept) anything bigger. This is a country that still relies heavily on a $1 bill. A 50 is huge in comparison.

4) The charges are bad I agree 100% with you there. It's the same here in Melbourne too. Enjoy it while it lasts back home. It's only a matter of time before the banks bring it in. To be honest I'm amazed they haven't jumped at the chance to rip people off even more.

Random

There should be some master option on ATM Machines which allows you to "decline reciepts now and forever more, amen."

NeMiSiS

Woman.. checking her balance.. mesmirised by machine... four minutes later.. still waiting.. eventully her card returns to her.. opens bag.. returns it to bag.. proceeds to take out another card.. jaw drops at young man behind her sawing " Do you think I have nothing ****ing better to do than to wait on you bollixing round". Normally I'm a paitent person..

I think they should have male/female/old person bank machines. Young women are fine, but women in the 35 and up bracket don't seem to be able to use bank machines. They don't even think they need their card, that's obviously why they look so shocked when they reach the machine and have to start digging for the ****ing thing.

Random

NeMiSiS wrote:

Woman.. checking her balance.. mesmirised by machine... four minutes later.. still waiting.. eventully her card returns to her.. opens bag.. returns it to bag.. proceeds to take out another card.. jaw drops at young man behind her sawing " Do you think I have nothing ****ing better to do than to wait on you bollixing round". Normally I'm a paitent person..

I think they should have male/female/old person bank machines. Young women are fine, but women in the 35 and up bracket don't seem to be able to use bank machines. They don't even think they need their card, that's obviously why they look so shocked when they reach the machine and have to start digging for the ****ing thing.

What about "training ATMs"? They do them with things as simple as toilets .. so why not ATMs? :P

Fighting Irish

I want an ATM machine that will let you deposit money, one that will take notes and coins.

If i could throw all the change in my pocket into my account everytime i pass an ATM i would be rich

baztard

ATM's on the continent tell you before you enter your amount what notes they have in stock. Plus when you take out say €200, you get 2 x €50, 4 x €20, 1 x €10 and 2 x €5 or something along the lines of that. Also a few of them are touch screen atms, fairly classy.

Draupnir

Whereabouts on the continent is that? Which Continent also?

I'm just back from Paris and I was very impressed with the ATM's there, one bank even had two indoors which they left available through the night.

They didnt dispense fifties either which I liked, 50 euro came out as two twenties and a ten. I liked that.

RainyDay

"To protect the environment, this machine only issues receipts when asked to do so. Do you want a receipt?"

"Yes, please"

"Sorry, we cannot print receipts at this time"

Doh!

Dalfiatach

NeMiSiS wrote:

Woman.. checking her balance.. mesmirised by machine... four minutes later.. still waiting.. eventully her card returns to her.. opens bag.. returns it to bag.. proceeds to take out another card.. jaw drops at young man behind her sawing " Do you think I have nothing ****ing better to do than to wait on you bollixing round". Normally I'm a paitent person..

I think they should have male/female/old person bank machines. Young women are fine, but women in the 35 and up bracket don't seem to be able to use bank machines. They don't even think they need their card, that's obviously why they look so shocked when they reach the machine and have to start digging for the ****ing thing.

That's a general Woman Thing though. They do exactly the same in shops - stand there blankly while the person on the checkout is totting up all the items, then suddenly get all suprised and start hunting everywhere for their purse when they get asked for money.

Aren't they supposed to be better at multi-tasking?

Capt'n Midnight

I've heard it's for security, not to give any clues out about what is in the machine.

Would have thought it would be more secure to tell people it was OUT of money.

Really annoying when there is a queue as it takes ages longer

FranknFurter

Fighting Irish wrote:

I want an ATM machine that will let you deposit money, one that will take notes and coins.

If i could throw all the change in my pocket into my account everytime i pass an ATM i would be rich

Now theres an idea that I think many people would love!
I end up with so many damned coins in my pocket I end up spending them on useless junk I dont want or need just to get rid of em!
Plus, it would mean more deposit / withdrawl income for the various banks!

There has to be a way to make such a machine cost effective that also has a warning overhead flashing so the erm, "person" ( ) behind you will be reminded to find their card before the person on front finishes!

B