did i play this right?

RichieLawlor

Cash Table $2 $4nl
Im in the small blind with 6d 6h and its folded into me i raise to 15
BB is a rock has played 5 hands in previous hour AK QQ were two i saw
He re-raises to 40. Im sure he has AA KK or QQ minimum. i decide to call the 25 extra knowing if i hit my set ill get the lot. (i have $600 he has $550)

Flop 4c 5c 6s now this is where i try to get tricky i lead for $50 still have him on big pp and like i expect he raises to $125. i call. Turn Kh. dont like this so i decide to check call his bet $100 ( too small i now feel he just turned a bigger set) tbh im not really sure where i am now but i find it too hard to release a set.

River 3c Bingo i think i can push him off this now. I push he insta calls with Kc Kd.

Questions, was i wrong to

(a) call pre-flop knowing i was behind
(b) push on the river in that spot

could i have played it better or was i unlucky to find a guy who would not lay down in that spot.

any comments

Hectorjelly

Preflop is marginal
Flop lead is good
Turn, once there is that much money in the pot and you have a set dont worry about him having a bigger set. Just try to get all in.
River, your plan is insane. He has no reason to think you have a straight, and noone folds sets anyway.

RichieLawlor

Hectorjelly wrote:

River, your plan is insane.

it was i 3c it completed the straight and possible flush. i just felt i could move him off it

Hectorjelly

RichieLawlor wrote:

Hectorjelly wrote:

River, your plan is insane.

it was i 3c it completed the straight and possible flush. i just felt i could move him off it

Sorry didnt notice the flush, anyway its probably best to never try and get some one off a set

cardshark202

I thinking folding preflop would be a mistake after he re-raises.
Flop lead is good, maybe lead for a little more, about 60.
I would try get it all in on the flop though.
As the flop was played, I would definately try and get it in on any turn card.
As HJ said, river play is madness. People don't fold sets.

Backstreet Moyes

I dont see how u could be critiscised here u read the guy perfect. The only way you could have won was by pushing all in and unlucky u found a guy unable to put down a set on that board which i think he probably should have it was a great bet a little unlucky

eggie

id bet more on the flop, results wise you're going broke no matter what once he calls the flop bet. Dont think he will fold set of K's evewn with flush possibility on board, only other option is to fold which i wouldnt do either.

dvdfan

Im newish to this game and still learning and was suprised that nobody taught it was wrong to call the re-raise. This would be my thinking of the same situation.

Everybodys folded to me, i have pocket 6's, not a great hand but a chance to hit the set, ill raise and try and steal the blinds. I raise and am re-raised (not called) by 'a rock' solid player so i know he has something. Even if i do call he could well have Pocket 10's,J's,Q's,K's Or Aces so even if i do hit my set im not going to be very sure if anything on the flop is 10+. So am i willing to call another 25 and put in another big bet after the flop (only way to determine if he has a top hand if the board has an overcard) with a pair of 6's.

I would fold immediately, unless there were already a couple of calls previous and the pot was too good to turn down. My thinking is it was a good shout to try and steal the blind but the odds werent great when i was re-raised so now i should cut my losses. Even if i had won with the set of 6's i would have felt it was dangerous play preflop.

So can anyone explain the logic behind this to give me a better understanding please!

brianmc

dvdfan wrote:

Im newish to this game and still learning and was suprised that nobody taught it was wrong to call the re-raise. This would be my thinking of the same situation.

Everybodys folded to me, i have pocket 6's, not a great hand but a chance to hit the set, ill raise and try and steal the blinds. I raise and am re-raised (not called) by 'a rock' solid player so i know he has something. Even if i do call he could well have Pocket 10's,J's,Q's,K's Or Aces so even if i do hit my set im not going to be very sure if anything on the flop is 10+. So am i willing to call another 25 and put in another big bet after the flop (only way to determine if he has a top hand if the board has an overcard) with a pair of 6's.

I would fold immediately, unless there were already a couple of calls previous and the pot was too good to turn down. My thinking is it was a good shout to try and steal the blind but the odds werent great when i was re-raised so now i should cut my losses. Even if i had won with the set of 6's i would have felt it was dangerous play preflop.

So can anyone explain the logic behind this to give me a better understanding please!

I think the general concensus is that it was a marginal call. Personally I'd put it slightly to the bad side of marginal.

The nice thing about hitting a set is that most players find it very hard to spot somebody playing a set against them so if you hit a set you have a very good chance to try and take somebodys entire stack. Thats the argument FOR calling here. You're calling to try and win his stack not to win the pot as it stands.

Against calling - you have the fact that this particular opponent is a rock and hence not only will you have to hit your set, he will need a real hand to pay you off too. Also, his stack and OPs stack aren't deep enough to make it a worthwhile call IMO.

ollyk1

brianmc wrote:

Against calling - you have the fact that this particular opponent is a rock and hence not only will you have to hit your set, he will need a real hand to pay you off too. Also, his stack and OPs stack aren't deep enough to make it a worthwhile call IMO.

I think when people say rock in these spots Brian they are talking preflop only. These guys probably go all the way with an overpair so to answer whether this is marginally good or bad we need to know more about the "rock" in question.

In the example given in this post our hero decided he had implied odds to stack the rock becasue the guy can't fold overpairs (well thats what the post implied to me).

Then he changes his mind and decides he has bluff outs when they guy has a set. This is a little confusing but may make sense if I was "there" as it were. I don't think its profitable trying to get guys to fold sets in general.

corc

you raised 4 times the big blind with pocket 6's into what you know to be a solid player and then he raises u 3 times that. Think this was probably your time to get out of the hand.

Flop was beautiful for you and dont think maybe you should have pushed all in when he reraised you after it hit. BTW I think your bet was way to small on the flop it was 50 into a pot of 80 or so. Think you should have bet the pot here but thats neither here nor there as the guy with an overpair to teh board will call.

All in on the river was risky especially when you had a read on the guy and as stated previously noway he was going to put you on the straight draw but the flush draw was a possibilty and he made a call he could not be 100% of winning. Good bet but its damn hard to lay down down a set of Kings but when possible flush out there I would have put you on that.

PokerSquid

Nuts102 wrote:

I dont see how u could be critiscised here u read the guy perfect. The only way you could have won was by pushing all in and unlucky u found a guy unable to put down a set on that board which i think he probably should have it was a great bet a little unlucky

really? putting myself in the other guy's position...

What does SB raise with here? Anything? Fine...but what does he CALL my raise with? A/10+ or 7/7+?

after the flop, I'm probably putting the lead bet on pkt pair worse than mine but not one that made a set. OR...possibly A/x suited.

once the turn misses him and hits my set, and he calls my bet, do i still put him on club draw? do I put him on 7/7 for an open straight draw?

I guess the river would be a "scare card". but I don't think I'm so tight to fold top set regardless. And would chalk it up to bad luck if he did stay with A/Qc or 7/7.

Sangre

HU I don't think its wise to ever try and push someone off a set, especially when you put him on top set. What hand could he have possibly put you on, on the river that would make him fold? You lead the pot and called the reraise preflop and on the flop itself.

I might have jammed it on the flop but a call isn't too bad if you think you can get him all in on the turn/river. I probably would have tried to check call it down once the K fell but its unlikely you'd get an easy call on the river.

Enigma365

Flop - should have put him all in after he raised, imo. You were pretty sure he had pocket AA/KK/QQ and as someone else said, he would prob put you on high pockets but lower than his and call.

River - Would a more believeable bluff not be to check, wait for his bet, then after a deliberate pause, re-raise all in? Still don't think you'd come close to bluffing him successfully, but it would be more believeable than what you did imo.

The other thing is, it seems very unlikely that you would:

a) Call such a big preflop raise with any cards that could make up a straight in this hand.

b) You would stay in after big bets on the flop and turn simply on a flush draw.

So, I think you made a small mistake on the flop and a huge mistake on the river.

Heaton

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RoundTower

Heaton wrote:

Hi RichieLawlor, Though I don't know much about online gambling but with my few years of experience I can say that you make the right move at the right time. My friend if you were little bit more patients though then I think you can win much bigger bet.:D
Thanks
Heaton

Good to have you here Mr. Heaton, I think you could be the next HJ.

igoe

I dont see how u could be critiscised here u read the guy perfect. The only way you could have won was by

igoe

I dont see how u could be critiscised here u read the guy perfect. The only way you could have won was by........

igoe

...him not having KK, given the stacks