Bio-Etheric Energy

stevenmu

This is a thought that's been bouncing around in my head for a while, so I thought I'd jot down some bits and pieces and see what others think.

If we are to hypothetically assume that some/all paranormal phenomona do actually occur, then I think we can postulate the existence of some form of energy with which we are currently un-aware. Maybe I've watched Final Fantasy:The Spirits Within one too many times, but given it's nature 'Bio-Etheric Energy' seems to be a good name for it for now. Also, it may be equally possible that there are multiple forms of energy responsible for the different paranormal phenomona, either individually or in some combination, so then 'Bio-Etheric Energy' becomes almost a catch-all for several different potential energies. Now while we 'know' absolutely nothing about BEE (even if it exists or not) we may be able to infer several things about it (from assumptions we make, all very hypothetical of course).

First of all, assuming BEE exists, we know that it in some way interacts with living tissue. It may interact strongest with brain tissue, possible due to the complex structures formed by it, or it may simply be that that is where it's affects are most noticeable. As it interacts with our brain tissue and affects our thought patterns, allowing for say telepathy, but it may also interct with our other tissues giving the healing affects associated with some alternative therapies. There are several possibilities as to the nature of BEE and it's interaction with us. It's possible that BEE 'fields' are generated by living tissue, which can then in turn interact with other BEE fields, it's possible that BEE fields exists independantly of living tissue but become associated with it, or it's possible that there's some universal BEE field which we all interact with. All 3 possibilities have corresponding ideas in the paranormal and spirituality, but I can't think of any firm reason to choose between them, or there may be some combination of the 3.

There are often connections made between the paranormal and electromagnetism, with many believing that some form of electromagnetism provides the mechanism by which many (if not all) paranormal phenomona occur. For example there was a study done by scientists in the uk which found funny unexplained EMF fluctuations in supposedly haunted areas (can't find the link now, 6th did you post it originally ?). Many people are also sensitive to EMFs. This may suggest that BEE can convert into electrogmagnetism and/or vice-versa through some mechanism, similar to how electromagnetism can convert to/from light,heat,kinetic etc

If we assume that BEE allows for the transmission of information over a distance, as in telepathy, remote viewing etc, then we must assume that BEE fields can take on some pattern which can then be sensed and recognised, in much the same way that patterns of light can be recognised and interpreted by our vision system.

It's also generally said that these effects happen almost instantaneously over a distance. While I really need to read more about string theory, I believe it would allow and energy to operate on dimensions above our own, meaning that a pattern created in a BEE field could instantaneously exist elsewhere with our 3 dimensions. This multi-dimensional nature also gives us a convenient excuse as to why telepathy or other remote sensing effects aren't accurate and clear like a TV picture, and are really more like impressions which must be interpreted.

If we accept that BEE is operating on dimensions beyond our three, then I believe this also allows for effects involving the transmission of information across time (seeing the future/past). If time is in itself merely another dimension, then I believe a pattern created in a BEE field could be also present at other points in the time-line.

Now I know this isn't exactly scientific, but I think it's important to have some element of science involved, so I'll propose a test for the existence of this BEE. Basically, if BEE exists, it should be possible to affect the electrical activity of a brain from a distance and with no normal means of contact. I have heard of tests carried out on chains of rodent brain cells whereby an electrical 'input' could be applied and the 'output' could be predicted. If BEE exists it should be possible to alter the 'output' to one other than that which was predicted, altough I think the tests done only involved short chains of neurons and I believe a pretty complex structure would be required for this test. (anyone willing to donate a complete healthy human brain ? )

Anyway, that's just some thoughts I've had, I've more to add later. Anyone got any thoughts, questions etc ?

6th

I'm still reading your post but is this the link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3044607.stm

ladybirdirl

Is there BEE - I'd have to say yes I agree there is some sort of energy/force. As you say. it's probably what therapists describe when they talk about tingling in hands and feet of healers or the warm sensation you get when you have healing done. As a matter of fact, the question whether or not it exists is probbably mute, it's more our unawareness of it that is at question(is unawareness in fact a word)

but I would take issue with saying that the EMF sutff is an extension of BEE - that seems a bit of a stretch to me. would you really agree that almost all paranormal activity is EMF based and that some 'mechanism' converts BEE to EMF and vice versa. If it was as simple an explanation as that would it not have been tested/investigated more thoroughly?

You could very well be right, I just have trouble with the notion that something 'paranormal' or 'spiritual' or whatever can be passed off as EMF, to my mind it's all BEE we just don't know how to tap into it. EMF is the only thing we can measure and explain given our level of awareness so we blanket that as a theory.

So in fact I suppose what I'm saying is not a million miles away from your original thought - I just wouldn't go so far as to say there's any mechanism/method moving BEE to EMF or vice versa - I think we just don't have the skill to recognise BEE so we pass it off as something we can explain

Ladybird

stevenmu

6th wrote:

I'm still reading your post but is this the link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3044607.stm

Nope wrong one, the one you had before (I'm fairly sure it was you) was specifically about a team taking very detailed EMF readings at known 'haunted' locations and finding odd fluctuations they could not explain. They made no conclusions as to whether ghostly activity created the EMF fluctuations or whether people sensed them and interpreted them as paranormal.

LB wrote:

but I would take issue with saying that the EMF sutff is an extension of BEE - that seems a bit of a stretch to me. would you really agree that almost all paranormal activity is EMF based and that some 'mechanism' converts BEE to EMF and vice versa. If it was as simple an explanation as that would it not have been tested/investigated more thoroughly?

Ok, I could have explained that clearer. When electricty passes through a wire, some of the energy converts to thermal energy, so if a wire appears to be getting warmer we can deduce that electricity is flowing through it. Similarly when some metals become hot enough, some of that thermal energy converts into light, so when we look at a metal giving off light, such as the filament in a light bulb, we can deduce that it must be very hot, and in turn deduce that there must be an electrical current flowing through it.

What I'm trying to say in relation to BEE/EMF, is that I don't think that EMFs are directly responsible for paranormal effects, BEE is, but since we can't directly detect BEE, if there is some form of link between BEE and EMF, we may be able to detect funny EMFs and use that as a means of sensing BEE (like looking at a light bulb to see if there's electricity going through it)

(I really should come up with a name that gives a better acronym than BEE )

Zillah

Hahaha. I love that you're sitting here discussing the possible ramifications of the "Bee Field"

On a more serious note, what is it about this energy that makes it so absolutely invisible to science? Considering the fantastical things they have discovered, hypothesised and experimented upon, why has this energy never been been detected? Why have their mathematical models of the universe (relativity, quantum mechanics etc) not even implied the existence of such an all pervasive force?

6th

ok steven, is this it?!?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3046179.stm

Oh and does quantum consciousness fit in anywhere here?

kshiel

Ok I am not sure if I am getting this correctly, so bear with me. Are these people saying that there is an energy field or force which has not yet been detected or harnessed but may explain why some people experience something that may be seen as paranormal, like feeling a presence?

It has been said by some people that spirits use our energy or energy within the atmosphere to appear, but I am sure some people have also said that poltergiest activity can be the energy (from the subject who is supposely been targeted by the polergiest) sort of bursting from them in waves causing the objects etc to move. Every living thing at least has some form of energy field and I suppose it is not a giant leap to consider that our energy interacts with other energies within the same atmosphere, but engery cannot be destroyed so therefore where does the energy etc from a living thing go when the mortal body ceases to function, could this be an energy form that has not been detected either by science as to date? or am I just wrong on all points or going in the wrong direction on this?

Oryx

Interesting theory Steve, the first thing it makes me think is that I really need to do that Dr Whatsits Brain Training on Nintendo. :rolleyes:

However.... I agree with you that there must be something out there, (whether you call it BEE or white light or... anything really) that causes paranormal things to happen. I wouldnt even class it as an energy as such, even though you give it that name I think for convenience more than anything else.
As for Zillah asking why we havent detected it yet, science makes new discoveries (planets, prions, etc) every day. The just havent got to this yet. I suppose I refuse to accept that all paranormal activity has to be fraud or misinterpretation, something real has to be making it happen.

My apologies for not being able to get the brain into gear sufficiently to discuss the science here.

LostinBlanch

You might like to take a look at this then.

The website of Lynne Mctaggart who wrote the field a couple of years ago.

http://www.wddty.co.uk/thefield/noflash/index.asp

Or this it's about the hidden messages in water, the series by Masaru Emot, which shows how praying, meditating, or even playing music can change the crystal structure of water.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/LOVE-THYSELF-Message-Water-III/dp/1401908993/sr=8-4/qid=1158875254/ref=pd_ka_4/026-6740614-7207627?ie=UTF8&s=books

Stoner

“Many people are also sensitive to EMFs. This may suggest that BEE can convert into electromagnetism and/or vice-versa through some mechanism, similar to how electromagnetism can convert to/from light,heat,kinetic etc”

This is a very interesting post Stevenmu, I’ve thought along these lines before but never extended the theory as far as you have. I take it that from your comments to Kshiels that you are not suggesting that electromagnetism can convert into other forms of energy and that this has noting really to do with your statements, you are suggesting that as a result of something unexplained happening EMF fields can result???
This could then mean that when we are reading an EMF we are in fact reading more or less useless information possibly apart from its existence, in the same way that the heat produced from the piece of wire that you mentioned tells us nothing about the nature of the current that caused the heat, its just heat, all we can do is measure it.
This BEE you mentioned could possibly have its own way of uniquely identifying people etc like unique electric/magnetic fields, if not how would individuals and specific periods in time be identified?
The medium through with this BEE would travel would be what in your opinion? (no pun intended I’m generally interested in what you think it may pass through, bearing in mind that some where along the way it produces an EMF, this could be a 1,2,3,…n step process but still)
Like other forms of energy will it have a frequency? Possibly yes or no? if it has a frequency then how it gets to and from people is a function of time,
You have also suggested that time is removed from the equation, this explains a lot of theories, with the simple step of removing time from the equation I can imagine that the instantaneous messages you speak of as being a possibility.
I like the theory but I do find it hard to shake up enough mental capacity fit it all together.
• Time variable removed from the equation
• Free to move through time
• Able to uniquely identify people, and different stages in time while remaining independent of it
• Possibly produces an EMF field at some stage.

I don’t know it’s interesting alright

“I believe it would allow and energy to operate on dimensions above our own, meaning that a pattern created in a BEE field could instantaneously exist elsewhere with our 3 dimensions. This multi-dimensional nature also gives us a convenient excuse as to why telepathy or other remote sensing effects aren't accurate and clear like a TV picture, and are really more like impressions which must be interpreted.”

This is the only bit I don’t really get and I’ll tell you why, I think that discussing how muddled messages are is based on huge a assumption. It’s based on the assumption that people have contacted each other but the message is unclear, like a bad line on your mobile, the caller id says Stevenmu on the screen and Stoner on the other phone but the line is so bad that we can only get an impression of what the other is saying. That’s what I don’t get, that’s why I suggested doing an experiment in Ross with two people almost face to face transmitting the simplest of information, if this worked then I’d say it was worth taking further.
I discussed that if both people knew what was being transmitted from a choice of about 3 things this would filter the information down considerably, as we all know ones and zeros is all we need for computer communication.
Next I discussed having the people so close to reduce the effects of distance in the experiment.
I have just realised something else though, using just two people will also make it simpler for reasons discussed above as in the unique identifier etc.
If I could see two people communicating in this simple way in satisfactory conditions I would be amazed. Yet theories are developed where people take huge steps based on huge steps.
I really like the idea of BEE. It really explains the production of EMFs and using the whole hot piece of wire that was heated by a current was a great example, it shows that at investigations that we have attempted of measure something that apart from its existence is worthless, like using a thermometer to measure the amount of current that caused the heat (before anyone pops in I know this can be doe if all the variables are present, but I hope my point stands).
I love these interesting theories, but I hate all the ifs lol.

6th

Ok I havent really commented on this as i've alot of reading to do before I can add anything to it. Anyway I came across this article HERE:

Harnessing Your Etheric Energy

It is an unfortunate reality that society has inadvertently categorized the natural abilities associated with bio-etheric energy as a form of entertainment.

Classifying skills such as precognitive event recognition alongside amusement attractions such as stage illusion have undermined the acknowledgement of etheric energy itself, impeding the acceptance of a wide spectrum of very natural, very real capabilities.

Why, then, are etheric-related abilities seemingly so rare? The answer is multidimensional.

Identifying Your Etheric Energy

All human beings have the ability to recognize, embrace, and utilize their bio-etheric energy, or the energy produced and emitted by all living organisms. Once harnessed, bio-etheric energy can allow a being to:

* Gain a broader, deeper perception of physical and/or emotional surroundings

* Achieve greater use of the brain’s traditional and extra-sensory functions

* Increase knowledge absorption by participating in conscious bio-etheric energy exchange

* Attain a working knowledge of etheric-related capabilities such as precognitive event recognition

The easiest analogy to recognizing etheric energy is that of electricity. Had mankind never harnessed the natural phenomena of electrical current, entire civilizations would have evolved in the absence of telephones, computers, televisions, and an array of other technologies that now seem second nature in our daily lives.

Though a closely integrated element of both individual and collective existence, bio-etheric energy and its uses have only begun to be identified and embraced by society. As we seek to become fully acquainted with this energy type, a new, yet common understanding of etheric energy and its properties has presented itself: the energy exists, and the ultimate question is how to make complete use of it.

Harnessing the Intangible

In seeking to gain a working comprehension of bio-etheric energy, one must be willing to adapt a new dimension of faith, both in self and in the Universe. Faith is a plain transition between the physical, and the etheric; the tangible, and intangible. In bridging the gap between science and the unexplained, faith allows for confident progression into new endeavors to gain additional understanding of the mind and body.

Because mastering the properties of bio-etheric energy includes the development of abilities or metaphysical advantages often regarded by society as paranormal, spontaneous occurrences of precognitive event recognition, remote viewing, telepathy, or other etheric-related abilities are commonly dismissed as subconscious “noise.” This misnomer can be attributed to the school of psychology, whereas the science of bio-etheric energy and its related properties are based in the field of physics.

From a physics perspective, bio-etheric energy can participate in the transfer or exchange of particle energy with other bio-etheric bearing life forms through an exchange of nanophotons, or energy particles smaller than that of ordinary photons.

In theory, nanophotons have the capacity to pass through solid matter and travel at speeds significantly greater than the speed of light, and are capable of transportation between predefined destinations through the fabric of space-time. The smallest building blocks of existence, nanophotons allow for the exchange of “information” between beings capable of utilizing the neural receptors responsible for decoding bio-etheric energy.

Brain Training

Harnessing bio-etheric energy and related abilities requires a focused effort to flex and exercise the frontal lobes, or the region of the brain associated with bio-etheric activity and interpretation. This “training” is similar to the efforts necessary to acquire control over equilibrium and motor functions when learning to walk. Later in life, frontal lobe development is analogous to learning to write with the opposite hand. Although a challenging task requiring determined effort, exercising the frontal lobes is necessary to stimulate the neural receptors responsible for interpreting bio-etheric energy.

There are a number of exercises designed for frontal lobe development, both basic and advanced, many of which are available on the Internet or in related texts. While most of these activities can be performed anywhere with little preparation, a quiet, comfortable atmosphere will provide the maximum result from each training session.

Frontal lobe exercises, such as meditation and memory retention activities, and even simplistic biochemical enhancements such as brainwave stimulators or incense will effectively stimulate the synaptic pathways and neural regions associated with etheric energy interpretation.

What to Expect

Increased stimulation of the frontal lobes will promote spontaneous etheric response. Contrary to preconceived opinion held by some individuals who have yet to achieve a strong working knowledge of the energy, increased etheric control will compliment, rather than complicate, traditional thought processes and mental activities, both voluntarily and involuntarily.

A few results of increased etheric control include:

* Knowledge is retrieved with greater accuracy and speed, with less effort

* Increased empathic ability, allowing for more precise interpretation of others’ emotions, intentions and honesty

* Advanced sense of self (right and wrong, patience, will power)

* Expanded problem-solving abilities, creativity, and cognitive comprehension skills

Recognizing the emotional and physical responses associated with controlled etheric activity will allow for increased control of bio-etheric abilities, long-term. Interpretation of etheric information has a distinct, unique flavor as compared to internal dialogue or imagination. Differentiation between these independent streams of neurological feedback will improve as focus on etheric activity improves.

It is important to note that abilities and skills associated of increased etheric control are not limited to more commonly discussed processes such as precognitive event recognition, remote viewing, or even telepathy. Just as advances in modern technology resulted from an increased understanding of the application of electricity, advanced etheric control will present new applications of the control to existing functions.

As you begin a program for increasing bio-etheric control, write down your etheric-related experiences as they become evident to you. Your abilities and their accuracy will notably increase over time. Recording your progress will provide tangible benchmarks for charting progressive development.

Advanced Techniques

Those with an existing or advanced comprehension of etheric energy will benefit most from direct employment of related abilities to maximize and increase identified potential. Recommended exercises for individuals with developed or expanded bio-etheric control include:

* Target- or beacon-based Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) sessions

* Precognitive forecasting activities, such as previewing playing card colors, suits, and numbers

* Precognitive event recognition

* Telepathy between parties with equal or greater skill

Both independently and as a collective, as we begin to explore and cultivate a complete understanding of bio-etheric energy, the potential for application of this energy to civilization is virtually limitless. Like any skill, development of etheric energy control requires a disciplined, focused effort to achieve notable results. Accomplishment of a thorough familiarity with bio-etheric energy and its purposes may enrich mankind in ways yet to be considered.

SkepticOne

from the article quoted by 6th wrote:

Because mastering the properties of bio-etheric energy includes the development of abilities or metaphysical advantages often regarded by society as paranormal, spontaneous occurrences of precognitive event recognition, remote viewing, telepathy, or other etheric-related abilities are commonly dismissed as subconscious “noise.” This misnomer can be attributed to the school of psychology, whereas the science of bio-etheric energy and its related properties are based in the field of physics.

From a physics perspective, bio-etheric energy can participate in the transfer or exchange of particle energy with other bio-etheric bearing life forms through an exchange of nanophotons, or energy particles smaller than that of ordinary photons.

In theory, nanophotons have the capacity to pass through solid matter and travel at speeds significantly greater than the speed of light, and are capable of transportation between predefined destinations through the fabric of space-time. The smallest building blocks of existence, nanophotons allow for the exchange of “information” between beings capable of utilizing the neural receptors responsible for decoding bio-etheric energy.

Can this stuff just be made up or are there rules?

Zillah

SkepticOne wrote:

Can this stuff just be made up or are there rules?

They can be made up. Whether you accept them or not is purely up to your own personal opinion. Unsuprisingly, I do not.

SkepticOne

Zillah wrote:

They can be made up. Whether you accept them or not is purely up to your own personal opinion. Unsuprisingly, I do not.

For me the issue isn't really whether you or I accept this but rather what possible motivation could someone have for writing it.

I can imagine circumstances where somone might genuinely believe they have seen, for example, a ghost, but can you think of a situation that might lead someone to genuinely write this? Is it possible to experience what you think might be a "nanophoton" travelling faster than light?

That is why I'm wondering if there are any rules that govern whether this stuff is believable or not or whether it is freeform writing. I'd be keen to know what others think.

6th

stevenmu wrote:

If we are to hypothetically assume that some/all paranormal phenomona do actually occur, then I think we can postulate the existence of some form of energy with which we are currently un-aware.
..............
First of all, assuming BEE exists,........

Zillah & SkepticOne I draw your attention to the original post for this thread. The subject of this thread is an interesting "idea" based on assumptions. As far as threads go its like say "lets assume a 6 headed purple dragon lives in my kitchen" then someone comes in and says "6 headed purple dragons dont exist".

6th

SkepticOne wrote:

That is why I'm wondering if there are any rules that govern whether this stuff is believable or not or whether it is freeform writing. I'd be keen to know what others think.

Well then start a thread yourself in a forum suitable for that discussion.

Stoner

stevenmu wrote:

the one you had before (I'm fairly sure it was you) was specifically about a team taking very detailed EMF readings at known 'haunted' locations and finding odd fluctuations they could not explain. They made no conclusions as to whether ghostly activity created the EMF fluctuations or whether people sensed them and interpreted them as paranormal.

It's a pity this thread has so few replies I think it’s great, and I'm only going the road of repeating myself on some of the points, but I do agree with SkepticOne to some degree. The above point is very important in my opinion “they made no conclusions”
I mean there's taking huge jumps and there's taking huge jumps. According to the article quoted by 6th

6th wrote:

Identifying Your Etheric Energy

All human beings have the ability to recognize, embrace, and utilize their bio-etheric energy, or the energy produced and emitted by all living organisms. Once harnessed, bio-etheric energy can allow a being to:

* Gain a broader, deeper perception of physical and/or emotional surroundings

* Achieve greater use of the brain’s traditional and extra-sensory functions

* Increase knowledge absorption by participating in conscious bio-etheric energy exchange

* Attain a working knowledge of etheric-related capabilities such as precognitive event recognition

I think all of these are huge steps to take. I'm prepared to consider each one but stuff is posted so it can be knocked in my opinion. At the end of the day it can be hard to identify an authority on these forums but sometimes there is a general vagueness in the posts is this a fact or fiction discussion? Obviously we all know of each other etc and I know that this is only for discussion, but I actually think that some of these articles belong in a Sci-Fi forum; they are based on what could be, if what hasn’t been proven was true.

I'll talk about electric and magnetic fields to anyone who wants. I mean actually discuss them, not just what they could be capable of, but what they are, and also what we can experiment with/develop. I fail to see how someone could take such huge jumps without proving tiny ones. I've pointed out tiny examples before under some more controlled conditions. But what could be carries more weight sometimes as its more exciting etc.
To contribute to these theories simple building blocks need to be developed.
Starting with stuff like
There is proof that fear in people produces fluctuating EMF readings
That's something that could be worked on, but jumps like
When we are scared we produced fluctuating EMF readings, therefore we can gain abilities like precognitive event recognition.
I know that nobody here wrote these articles I'm just going after their content not people here.
People can get narky with me etc and pick at what I've said with comments like "that’s not what the article says" that's fine I’d accept that as I’m driving at a general point here. These theories take huge jumps without proving that little steps have a pattern.

I've read theories about how the brain tries to produce an answer for whatever it picks up. This was used to explain how our culture can determine what we see, for example Leprechauns are explained to Irish people, and they have reported seeing them (little people) all over the world, other cultures have similar things and their people see them outside their countries. I always liked the sound of this theory as I can imagine the brain trying and trying to explain what you have just experienced to you and picking out the nearest example it has in its memory. This "mistake" that the brain makes could explain a lot of things.

I’d like to state that I recognise that these theories are feasible and I’m not just knocking stuff for the sake of it, I have no such abilities myself but I do believe that some people have, I also think that some people really want to but don’t. It would be very interesting to see what could develop from actually analysing people’s potential in this area. It’s also important to remember our basic chemistry and physics and how electrons hold atoms together, elements/ electrons form everything we see and feel, they are attracted/repelled to each other.
I know this is basic and beneath most of the readers here but I’m stating it to point out that electric and magnetic fields exist for a basic and fundamental reason they are not a complete mystery, we have a lot to learn from them even compared to other animals but still it’s a science.
Has anyone any links to sites etc that have made some of the small steps I have alluded to? Once again this is a question asked with interest not menace.