Live Cash hand

spectre

Table is not too mad. Effective stacks:

Player A: 75
Villain: 300+
Button: 300+
Hero: 220

I make it 7 from EP with two black Aces. Player A calls, he is the loose non-believing type. Villain in CO makes it 20. This is the first time he has re-raised preflop and means TT+/AK. Tight young guy calls on the button. Blinds fold.

I am 90% sure that unless villain has QQ/KK/AA, he will fold along with everyone else if I reraise. I decide to flat call, I am prepared to let it go on a bad flop. Player A calls.

Flop is:

9 K 7, two hearts (80)

I check. Player A moves all-in for 55. Villain flat calls. Button folds.

I shove.

Comments?

Norwich Fan Rob

re raise pre flop
as played shove seems ok but hard to know where u stand. (wouldnt like it if u were much deeper)
fine to just flat call if liable to be heads up, not if liable to go to flop 4 ways.

El Stuntman

spectre wrote:

I am 90% sure that unless villain has QQ/KK/AA, he will fold along with everyone else if I reraise. I decide to flat call, I am prepared to let it go on a bad flop.

this I like not a lot, or even a little

punish him most excruciatingly pre-flop

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

spectre wrote:

Table is not too mad. Effective stacks:

Player A: 75
Villain: 300+
Button: 300+
Hero: 220

I make it 7 from EP with two black Aces. Player A calls, he is the loose non-believing type. Villain in CO makes it 20. This is the first time he has re-raised preflop and means TT+/AK. Tight young guy calls on the button. Blinds fold.

I am 90% sure that unless villain has QQ/KK/AA, he will fold along with everyone else if I reraise. I decide to flat call, I am prepared to let it go on a bad flop. Player A calls.



Flop is:

9 K 7, two hearts (80)

I check. Player A moves all-in for 55. Villain flat calls. Button folds.

I shove.

Comments?

I really don't like your flat call preflop. I repot here everytime. Aces four-way is rarley a good spot to be in, especially as you will be out of position, thus making it more difficult to exercise pot-control. If you have a player who is willing to get a lot if not all of his tank with QQ preflop, then you should go for it.

As for the flop, do you belive villian will call you with AK here? If not, you are effectively bluffing, in fact, given the range you put him on, his most likely hands now are AK/KK. If he folds AK to a shove then this is all pretty bad.

EDIT: A greater description of villian would help. Is he tight-passive/supertag? Does he like to slowplay big hands, even on a twotone board?

RoundTower

reraise preflop, you can make it fairly small if you like. As played I like the flop play.

eggie

Id reraise pre flop also, agree with pushing the flop as you did also- hoping its AK and not KK.

spectre

cardshark202 wrote:

A greater description of villian would help. Is he tight-passive/supertag? Does he like to slowplay big hands, even on a twotone board?

Villain is reasonably loose preflop. I don't think he can fold TPTK. He generally raises preflop/on the flop when he has the goods. I haven't seen him slowplay big hands before, though I really couldn't say for sure if he would just call the 55 with KK.

Norwich Fan Rob

spectre wrote:

Villain in CO makes it 20. This is the first time he has re-raised preflop and means TT+/AK.

Villain is reasonably loose preflop. I don't think he can fold TPTK.

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Either way, the raise pre flop is a must, and the flop shove is fine as it stands given the stacks, but if u are behind its most likely the fault of your pre flop play.

spectre

cardshark202 wrote:

I really don't like your flat call preflop. I repot here everytime. Aces four-way is rarley a good spot to be in, especially as you will be out of position, thus making it more difficult to exercise pot-control

The problem is that if I reraise, I must pot it to 90, I'm pretty much telling them I have AA/KK. Although against so many players I agree that it's pretty much mandatory.

I'm not sure if pot control is too relavent if I reraise, as if I get a caller the rest is going in unless I see a KKQ flop.

cardshark202 wrote:

As for the flop, do you belive villian will call you with AK here? If not, you are effectively bluffing, in fact, given the range you put him on, his most likely hands now are AK/KK. If he folds AK to a shove then this is all pretty bad.

The pot is now 390, it will cost him a further 145 to call. I don't think he will drop AK here with the possibility of me being on a flush draw or KQ (not that I would play either of these hands that way but he doesn't know that).

You are right however in saying that I am bluffing if I think he folds AK

If I lead the flop, he will fold everything but AK/KK (I don't think he has 99/77). If I check-call the flop, I must push the turn as he will probably take a free card with QQ/JJ/TT - So why not get all-in on the flop instead of giving him a cheap turn?

spectre

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

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Villain is quite loose when it comes to calling and making raises preflop, however since I haven't seen him reraise preflop before, i'm assuming that his range is big PPs and AK. What's wrong with that analysis?

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

Either way, the raise pre flop is a must, and the flop shove is fine as it stands given the stacks, but if u are behind its most likely the fault of your pre flop play.

Agreed

cardshark202

spectre wrote:

Villain is reasonably loose preflop. I don't think he can fold TPTK. He generally raises preflop/on the flop when he has the goods. I haven't seen him slowplay big hands before, though I really couldn't say for sure if he would just call the 55 with KK.

ok flop push is fine so. your original post made him seem pretty tight, possibly post flop too.

cardshark202

regardless of all this, i think not re-raising preflop is a big mistake.

RoundTower

spectre wrote:

The problem is that if I reraise, I must pot it to 90

Really? Why not make it 70 here? You might get the short stack to fold but it's going to be hard for the others to fold TT or JJ given the price they are getting.

Also I don't think you're "bluffing" if he often folds AK here, he certainly isn't going to fold a better hand than yours. Maybe he has hearts, for example.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Really? Why not make it 70 here? You might get the short stack to fold but it's going to be hard for the others to fold TT or JJ given the price they are getting.

Also I don't think you're "bluffing" if he often folds AK here, he certainly isn't going to fold a better hand than yours. Maybe he has hearts, for example.

Going on the range we have been given, if he folds AK then we ARE bluffing, especially since he can only have hearts if he has AKhh, and that would have to mean that the K is not a heart on the flop. But i guess no-one folds TPTK in a live cash game in general so the more I think about it, the flop play was pretty good given the new bit of info.

spectre

Villain called pretty quickly. The turn was a brick, the river was a third heart but helped no-one.

I declare Aces and they both muck. I later find out that villain had AK.