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Dunphy the tv pundit

  • 14-09-2006 05:22PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭


    I've always been a fan of Dunphy , whether his radio show , or his analysis with Giles on RTE. He has over the years had many instances where he looked like he was losing it, but has always returned stronger and more controversial than ever . Am i alone in thinking he is losing it again, as a football pundit, and are his extreme and sweeping statements just becoming boring .. I thought his attack on Ferdinand last night was proof of this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    he's always making sweeing statements and huge generalisations, smacks of someone who dosnt have a clue tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    yes, he called ferdinand 'a clown'. He also has a love affair with cannavaro.

    but he's the guy that makes us tune into RTE. He's what makes them money. He is the engine room of RTE football. Much like Keano, if you take him out, the panel is left leaderless, bland and average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭gustavo


    Sometimes he talks sense but hasnt a clue about any football apart from English , but likes to pretend he knows all about Italian and Spanish football , at least Giles doesnt even feign knowledge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭el rabitos


    in fairness though, ferdinand is a clown and compared to cannavaro he's a bad clown

    i know i'm going to be accused of commiting "hate crimes" against utd there and "hate-orizing" and all that jazz but anyone who thinks ferdinand is worth the tranfer cost or the weekly wages he's on has to be smoking some funny ciggarettes

    as for dunphy, he does make huge generalisations and the players he does pin point for critisism, that critisism is usually over-done, but 99% of the time theres an element of truth to his rants. he's just not very good at getting his point across. he's funny to watch though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭DaBreno


    Dunphy is a cranky old man,the type you see in on his own in the corner of an Old pub. The locals make a point of avoiding him but know he's usually good entertainment when he's had a few and he starts ranting for no reason in particular. People laugh awkwardly, shaking their heads going "Good old Eamon, there he goes" but deep down they feel sad, wondering what happened to make him such a shell of a man.

    Maybe its coz he was a footballer himself and never acheived much beyond solid employment at Milwall. He loves Keane because he got close to him, got to touch greatness. Maybe it only fans the flames of his bitterness. It would explain why he tears into anyone that would dare offend his deity.

    As a pundit, he is loud, brash and utterly sensationalist. He offers nothing even approaching insight and often contradicts himself.

    Meh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭Big Nelly


    Dunphy is great for soccer and Hook is great for the Rugby. Great entertainment which keeps you enjoyed and waiting for the half time analysis in a boring game. Better than BBC or UTV anyday, I dont even mention the TV3 team, come on Packie Bonner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    smemon wrote:
    He also has a love affair with cannavaro.
    So do I. :o Dunphy is the reason I can't stand watching Ireland and Celtic games on RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,985 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Give me Hooky over Dunphy anyway, at least Hook has some intelligence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭RefulgentGnomon


    I couldn't stop laughing last night when the pundits were talking about Saha being maybe a better striker than RVN and Giles adds to it with "And more honest too"!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭ullu


    I'd prefer Dunphy's over the top generalisations as opposed to the bland, sitting on the fence punditry provided by both of the UK terrestrial channels any day.

    At least he's expressing some sort of opinion which is what pundits are supposed to do, no matter how black and white they tend to be (the "Roy Keane is right about everything" springs to mind).

    An example of RTE analysis might sound something like this :

    "Looking at the second goal there Bill, you've got to attribute a lot of the blame to the constant playing of the offside trap. The pace in the opposition attack was always going to exploit that. What dire defending by the centreback though this is hardly the first time his lack of positional awareness has been exposed for all to see. What an overrated donkey!"

    BBC/ITV analysis is more like this :

    "That second goal was scored by the pacy winger. Winger's are generally fast."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭Andrew 83


    I couldn't stop laughing last night when the pundits were talking about Saha being maybe a better striker than RVN and Giles adds to it with "And more honest too"!!!


    Think it was Brady who chipped in with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭ullu


    I couldn't stop laughing last night when the pundits were talking about Saha being maybe a better striker than RVN and Giles adds to it with "And more honest too"!!!

    It's quite the claim but I think the point they were trying to make was that while RVN would score loads of goals, they were primarily poachers goals. Saha's display last night showed that he can do a lot more with the ball at his feet and threaten the goal from far more positions than RVN. Saha hasn't had a proper season at Man Utd since he joined them so it will be good to see what he can do in a hopefully injury free season as first choice striker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Love the guy. I'm just waiting for the next time he feels "tired and emotional".

    He does make some sweeping statements and sometimes gets it horribly wrong, but he's not afraid to speak his mind no matter how unpopular the opinion is. I remember when the nation was going wild at Michele (I piss whiskey - honest!) Smith's miraculous gold medals - almost everyone else in the Irish press said it was down to "new training methods"; Dumphy called her a cheat.

    In two words: "World Class".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭Reganio 2


    I like him even though all he does is complain about Liverpool. I remember when we won the Champions League and he still wouldn't give us the slightest bit of credit. It was Milan's fault rather than Liverpool being good.
    He was forever calling Traore a donkey, very funny. At least he tells you what he feels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    I like him.

    He's not afraid to call it as he sees it, sweeping generalisations or no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Slightly off topic:
    I watched the full game Lyon v Real Madrid and Cannavaro was shockingly poor. Worse than Ferdinand ever has been. Dunphy bases his adoration of Cannavaro on his outstanding world cup displays, a world cup where Ferdinand also performed to a high level.
    Cannavaro is world class, but I just dont think its fair that Dunphy lauds him up to try and expose Ferdinand when he's probably only seen Cannavaro play a dozen times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭ullu


    Nunu wrote:
    Slightly off topic:
    I watched the full game Lyon v Real Madrid and Cannavaro was shockingly poor. Worse than Ferdinand ever has been. Dunphy bases his adoration of Cannavaro on his outstanding world cup displays, a world cup where Ferdinand also performed to a high level.
    Cannavaro is world class, but I just dont think its fair that Dunphy lauds him up to try and expose Ferdinand when he's probably only seen Cannavaro play a dozen times.


    I'm not so sure about Dunphy only picking up on Cannavaro during the World Cup. He's been an established and well regarded player for over a decade now and Dunphy can't have helped but see him in European and international games during that period so a dozen games is probably far too low as an estimate. Regarding Cannavaro's performance, I'm only speculating but perhaps the move from Italy to Spain means he'll take a bit of time to settle into the Spanish way of playing and just to fit into a new team generally.

    I don't really know how you can say Ferdinand performed to a high level during the WC. My main memories of his play are constant, aimless long balls against Trinidad and Tobago and the dire marking (by the entire defence to be fair) against Swedish corners. I don't remember any crucial or otherwise memorable contributions on his part akin to the goal line clearance by Ashley Cole against Ecuador. That's not to say he was a weak link or anything but he hardly performed noticeably well in a team that played dour, uncreative football for five games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭Bateman


    Whether WE think Cannavaro is world class or not is one thing, but for Dunphy to laud Cannavaro at every opportunity, and then claim that Real Madrid "have made no progress", is complete rubbish and makes him seem completelt dumb. Out of the 3 pundits Brady, Dunphy, and Giles, all have admitted at one time or another that they never watch Spanish football at the weekend because they are always footballed-out after the monotony of the Premiership on a Saturday and Sunday. So how they can pronounce judgement on Real Madrid's progress or lack of, I don't know. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    DaBreno wrote:
    Dunphy is a cranky old man,the type you see in on his own in the corner of an Old pub. The locals make a point of avoiding him but know he's usually good entertainment when he's had a few and he starts ranting for no reason in particular.

    As a pundit, he is loud, brash and utterly sensationalist. He offers nothing even approaching insight and often contradicts himself.

    I agree. Dunphy, if an unknown in a pub, you would just think of him as a git in the corner, and someoe that hasnt got a clue. To be fair to him, at times he even recognises that as well and he admits it on camera.

    Yet, still, people tune in. Yes, it is entertainment, and its more like Pre-match and then there is Apres-match. Both are comedy sketches! But why should the licence payer pay big dosh to him and his host, O'Herlihy, who is more clueless than the clueless. Even Dunphy on a rant will first state on an answer to a question from Bill - "you haven't got a clue Bill". I dont mind having them on the box, and they beat the UK "analysts" any day, but they should not be paid big money to be idiots.

    Brady is ok, and as people are saying on another thread, just watch out for his Arsenal involvement, but I think to be fair to him he keeps this under control to a great extent. Giles is the most neutral of the lot and the most honest and calls most things nearly right from an analytical point of view. Of course he can get things 'wrong', although in football, many things are opinions and we all do. However, at times he gives in too easily to Dunphy's "bullying/loudmouth" tactics and can be swayed and give in on his points. He avoids heated arguments, whereas Dunphy relishes them, whether he's in the right or the wrong, and its usually the latter.

    redspider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    seansouth wrote:
    I like him.

    He's not afraid to call it as he sees it, sweeping generalisations or no.
    Exactly. Thats why he's there! To give his opinion - not the PC one that won't upset some donkey getting multiples of my yearly salary in one week! That said, he's raking in the licence money - which I ain't so happy about! ;) But as a pudit, I think he's entertaining.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭Andrew 83


    Bateman wrote:
    Out of the 3 pundits Brady, Dunphy, and Giles, all have admitted at one time or another that they never watch Spanish football at the weekend because they are always footballed-out after the monotony of the Premiership on a Saturday and Sunday. So how they can pronounce judgement on Real Madrid's progress or lack of, I don't know. :mad:


    While Giles has said that in that exact phrase I don't remember Brady saying it, though he may have. Dunphy however has frequently made reference to how often he watches spanish football, sometimes making comparison to how Giles doesn't watch football he isn't paid to watch etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Dunphy was at it again last night , having a right go, and in my opinion, unfairly at Rio .
    Yes Rio is overpaid , yes he is not the greatest Defender in the world , but hes not the worst ... they didnt concede last night , nor really look like conceding.
    But Eamon seams to be enjoying having a right go at United, particularly Rio and Ronaldo , unfairly i believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    i dont the fact that rio is overpaid is what gets at dunphy, rio is a player that really annoys me and i couldnt give a toss about how much he is paid -thats between him and utd - but its the fact that and english pundits throw undeserved praise at him and belive him to be the best defender in the pl but he is shaky and hugely overrated. i would take terry, carragher, carvalho, gallas and king above him anyday.

    its like lampard - he is the most overrated player in the world and wouldnt make my england team but everyone (including irish pundits) go on about him being the best midfielder in the world when in reality he is a good player with a great team built around him to shoot all day(the WC shows what happens when tactics arent built to suit him)

    so although i'm not mad about dunphy he is not afraid to say what he thinks compared to other pundits who tend to be sheep and full of praise.

    also does anyone remember in one of the WC games on RTE the panel was dunphy, brady, souness and giles and Dunphy was making a point about great midfield players and he said "he's not a player like brady, giles, souness or Xabi alonso" i thought that was hilarious. he can be a huge suck up especially when there are more important people around him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    the best way i can describe or rate rio is (and Id say people wil agree with me)

    rio ferdinand on his day is a great defender, not an excellent or world class defender...but an great one non the less. However, his day only comes around 60-70%, making him a 7.5 or 8 out of ten CB in terms of class.

    I agree with nearly everything E Dunphy has said in the past. Who can deny that Cannavaro is exceptional. Or that John O Shea, Fletcher and co are simply ordinary footballers that make mistakes in almost every game. Sure he went a little ott on rio, but his comments in general are spot on.

    Ronaldo comment was perfect. He didnt say he had no quality, no fitness, no ability etc...he said he was braindead. That to me means in a blunt sense that Ronaldo has some talent but cannot channel it and use it for the good of the team when on the football pitch.

    Lampard is a good player, but wouldnt make my England team. Neither would Carrick or Rio


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭mada999


    Trilla wrote:

    I agree with nearly everything E Dunphy has said in the past. Who can deny that Cannavaro is exceptional. Or that John O Shea, Fletcher and co are simply ordinary footballers that make mistakes in almost every game. Sure he went a little ott on rio, but his comments in general are spot on.

    Ronaldo comment was perfect. He didnt say he had no quality, no fitness, no ability etc...he said he was braindead. That to me means in a blunt sense that Ronaldo has some talent but cannot channel it and use it for the good of the team when on the football pitch.

    Lampard is a good player, but wouldnt make my England team. Neither would Carrick or Rio

    Agreed.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,326 ✭✭✭Zapp Brannigan


    From watching The Premiership and the CL coverage last night I've noticed Dunphy seems to be 'bigging up' Liverpool alot these days! Kinda odd.

    As for a pundit, to be fair he ain't great but he is entertaining. And, for the mostpart, he can pronounce players names unlike Giles who struggles with any name with more that 3 syllables.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    RTE commentators speak their minds unlike the Jamie "I'm happy for him" Redknapp. Thats why I listen to them, if they think a player isnt doing good when he's suppose to be, they won sugar coat it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Dempsey wrote:
    Jamie "I'm happy for him" Redknapp.

    :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Slurms wrote:
    As for a pundit, to be fair he ain't great .

    why aint he great? what do you want? andy gray and his little chess board


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,985 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Not many of these pundits have any clue on football outside the premiership/CL, Especially Andy Gray

    Bar maybe Brady (Italy) and Gerry Armstrong (Spain)

    Actually Gerry 'Have a look' Armstrong is probably the best pundit/commentator going


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