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Game series that you've lost faith in?

  • 11-09-2006 9:41pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭


    I'm sure many of us have lost faith (or interest) in series that, when we first played them, cemented out love for games. But poor sequels or lack of innovation have changed many people's feelings for these games.

    The biggest danger lies in plot-driven games. Lots of people went "Wha...?" at the end of MGS2, or felt a bit insulted by the Charlie's Angels-esque plot of FFX-2. I found my loyalty to these series wavering because of their incomprehensible/stupid plots.

    While MGS3 has restored my faith in that series, FF has yet to do so. Of course, the recent plundering of FF7 has made me interested, but it kinda screams cash-in. Even if fans have demanded for years, it's no excuse to realise sub-standard products (Dirge of Cerberus).

    The plot isn't always the problem, of course. Resident Evil's problem was that it used the same tired old engine for years! Clever Capcom finally rectified the problem with RE4. Although I must confess, in my rampant RE fanboyism, I think I would've still bought and played every RE game even if they'd never changed the engine.

    Has anyone else lost interest in series because of these or other problems? And does anyone realise that they'd buy anything with a certain label on it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    Final Fantasy for me too. Can't really think of anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭4Xcut


    GTA, it just better pull it together for gta 4. london/2/3/vice were all brilliant but the last 2 releases have screamed cash in louder than an ea board meeting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    GTA
    Doom
    fifa (they were good <96)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    final fantasy, doom, mario, sonic and quake for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,957 ✭✭✭trout


    Tekken ... peaked at Tekken 3 ... Tekken Tag was pointless drivel, Tekken 4 was slow drivel and Tekken 5 was glitzy,slow and pointless drivel

    I have yet to see Tekken on the PSP ... lost faith & interest:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Gonzo wrote:
    mario
    The new games for the DS are actually very good (New-SMB and Partners In Time). Mario Galaxy (Wii) is also supposed to be shaping up nicely, although I never cared much for the previous Mario 3D games (Sunshine and, yes, Mario64 - didn't see the attraction).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Definitely lost faith in anything Id will ever do again.
    "Wow these graphics are nice... pitty I'm bored shítless"
    I'll just download 3Dmark next time I think of buying the next doom or quake... as a gameplay reminder.

    UT is walking a fine line... after seeing the 2007 preview avi, I'm getting tired of the same theme being rehashed over and over.

    Actually, I've almost completely lost faith in fps as a genre... I thought Deus-Ex was going to usher in a whole new era of "thinking mans fps/rpg", but it's like it never happened.
    HL2 (+expansions) seems to be the only game that's really trying to push new ideas IMO.

    Haven't lost faith in the GTA series though... for some reason I can't get enough of that game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Sgt. Politeness


    I agree with GTA going downhill. GTA3 broke the mould and the subsequent sequels are just GTA3 with bells and whistles. And alot of them are pointless bells and some of the whistles are just boring or stupid.
    MGS aswell, both 2 & 3 failed to grab me like MGS1 did. 4 is gonn have to be special.
    And above all else, the battlefield series is having its good name dragged through the crapper by EA's shameless money grabbing, with poor game support, crap expansions and 'booster packs', and the iminent release of the shameless BF2 with lazers bastard offspring that is BF2142


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,181 ✭✭✭✭Jim


    Battlefield.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Rainbow 6, they really *really* screwed that one up. With the first 3 games they had a pretty unique concept, and carved out a little niche for themselves in the marketplace with a pretty big, and very loyal, fanbase. Then some idiot marketing guy decided that generic run-and-gun shooters make more money then their specialised little one so that's what they should turn it in to (R6: Lockdown, or Letdown as it quickly became known). Big mistake, R6 players didn't want a generic run-and-gun shooter, that's why they played R6 in the first place, and generic shooter fans didn't like all the squad-based baggage the R6 series brings.

    R6: Vegas looks like it might be fun in a summer-blockbuster-action-movie kind of way, and they seem to have some interesting tactical gameplay concepts in it, but I'm very doubtfull it'll be a return to what made the series great in the first place (and I won't be at all surprised when the PC version gets binned).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    bf
    quake


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,383 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Final Fantasy. FFX-2 was just a pointless cash in that played awfully and changed everything I loved about the characters from FFX. FFXII might be great but I've a feeling that it just won't feel like a Final Fantasy game. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was a boring and needlessly complicated game and was nowhere near as good as the amazing Final Fantasy Tactics on the PS1. I've actually lost a lot of faith in Square-Enix as a whole since they haven't made a decent game since they fired Hironobu Sakaguchi and lost most of their talent to his new studio. Anything that has been good has been developed by 3rd parties such as Factor 5 and Tri-Ace. Actually there really haven't been many decent RPGs this generation.

    I lost a lot of faith in Suikoden after the awful Suikoden 4. Thankfully I'm hearing that Suikoden is something really special and rivals the fantastic Suikoden 2 in story terms.

    R-type. No other game series has such a high pedigree other than zelda. Every R-type game has been an instant classic in the shmup genre. All except R-type Final. You would expect for the final chapter of it's much loved franchise Irem would pull out all the stops and make the best game they could. R-type Final is really boring with shoddy level design and a framerate so bad that many levels are played in 'bullet time'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Excellent post idea Mr.K

    I am a big fan of everything game related. Infact i enjoy watching someone playing computer games just as much as i enjoy playing them myself. A bit of a voyeur

    MGS2 put me off playing MGS3, I heard it was very good but i just wouldn't give it the chance

    While i don't like playing FF games i will happily watch my housemates playing them for hours on end and i agree completely that FF-X-2 was the biggest load of crap ever

    In an RPG you have to love/respect the characters you play as, you have to want to improve them. They have to be badass enough for you to want to be like them or wish they were your best friend. Taking it a bit far i know but you get what i mean.

    FF are losing that. Even in x, i wanted Tidus to die at every single opportunity, he was such a c.u.n.t

    Any EA sports title = cha ching.

    Loved battlefield also but its constant list of bugs that were unfixed patch after patch turned me off it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    Battlefield.

    Seconded. I'm not going to get suckered into buying yet another BF game that'll be bug-riddled forever, and they'll never fix, and then just release a new one. Up yours, EA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    Pro Evolution Soccer.

    Why may you ask? Sure its still probably the best soccer game out there.

    But, has it changed in any significant way since PES3? It peaked with PES3, sure the lure of Xbox Live PES3 in enticing, and I probably will buy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Gonzo wrote:
    mario

    Dont know how you can say Mario. It is the one series that seeks to innovate at any opportunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    Definitely lost faith in anything Id will ever do again.
    "Wow these graphics are nice... pitty I'm bored shítless"
    I'll just download 3Dmark next time I think of buying the next doom or quake... as a gameplay reminder.

    UT is walking a fine line... after seeing the 2007 preview avi, I'm getting tired of the same theme being rehashed over and over.

    Actually, I've almost completely lost faith in fps as a genre... I thought Deus-Ex was going to usher in a whole new era of "thinking mans fps/rpg", but it's like it never happened.
    HL2 (+expansions) seems to be the only game that's really trying to push new ideas IMO.

    Haven't lost faith in the GTA series though... for some reason I can't get enough of that game.
    couldnt agree with this more, deus ex1 was one of my favourite games of all time.
    HL2 and its "episodes" just sounds like a cashcow to me, worse then EA and the sims.
    GTA4 will be the first game after GTA3 that has a completely new engine so hopefully that will restore everyones faith in the GTA series :D
    BF is still a great game and has more potential its just EA and their rush to get a another version out and more money is destroying it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭magick


    Battlefield

    bf2 looked so promising then it was destroyed by half arsed patches over powerful weapons as well as a hostile community (bf2 community).
    I think i threw it in after the booster packs crap,

    I have no faith in 2142.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭Kristok


    Burnout, revenge did nothing worthwile.

    Command and qonquer, after tib sun everything just got rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭Revelation Joe


    I was never going to buy another Driver game after 3 but got Parallel Lines cheap and it has (partly) restored my faith. Still don't see the need for guns though :confused:
    Someone said FIFA and I agree after 2003. The subsequent ones try to cram in too much IMO

    Del


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Definitely lost faith in anything Id will ever do again.

    Second that.

    id don't do single player. That was fine in the days of Doom when we were just so impressed that we were actually "in the game" (tm)

    Since Half-Life showed everyone how a story can be used in a FPS id seem to be the only ones who were not paying attention. Doom 3 and Quake 4 single player was boring and repeative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Still don't see the need for guns though :confused:

    But...
    but... but...

    But GTA has guns!!!

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭Pugsley


    Command and Conquer series really lost it after EA took over, every game after BF1942 was also dire. Heroes of Might and Magic series has lost it aswell, HOMM3 was an incredably good game, then 4 came along and tried to change everything, but blew, then HOMM5 came around and tried to be HOMM3 again with pretty graphics, but it blew aswell. Age of Empires also took a pretty steep dive with AoE3, AoE3 was a better skirmish game, but multiplayer was just no fun at all (cuirassairs, win), Age of Mythology was also dribble, still play Age of Empires2: Conquerer's when I can.

    I actually enjoyed the Quake4 singleplayer, the mapping was incredible, and all the guns felt pretty good to use, so havent lost all faith in ID just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Rainbow 6, they really *really* screwed that one up. With the first 3 games they had a pretty unique concept, and carved out a little niche for themselves in the marketplace with a pretty big, and very loyal, fanbase. Then some idiot marketing guy decided that generic run-and-gun shooters make more money then their specialised little one so that's what they should turn it in to (R6: Lockdown, or Letdown as it quickly became known). Big mistake, R6 players didn't want a generic run-and-gun shooter, that's why they played R6 in the first place, and generic shooter fans didn't like all the squad-based baggage the R6 series brings.

    Yes! For me, the series peaked at Rogue Spear, and the subsequent move to the mainstream really diluted the quality of the series. I wonder how the series would have progressed had it followed the thread that the original started and Rogue Spear continued.

    GTA peaked at III. Vice City was good, San Andreas was a spectacular step in the wrong direction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Sgt. Politeness


    Wicknight wrote:
    Second that.

    id don't do single player. That was fine in the days of Doom when we were just so impressed that we were actually "in the game" (tm)

    Since Half-Life showed everyone how a story can be used in a FPS id seem to be the only ones who were not paying attention. Doom 3 and Quake 4 single player was boring and repeative.
    But HL2s story is almost non exsistant, at least int he sense that absolutely nothing is explained at all. Youre as clueless at the end as you are at the beginning. Its a great game but not exactly story driven.
    Quake 4 was a really enjoyable single player. The story was nice, some great setpieces, very enjoyable. Doom 3 will always have a place in my heart due to giving me nightmares about the fat zombies after playing it for hours on end on release day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭CombatCow


    C&C after Tiberian sun and Battlefield after..errr 1942 :D


    CC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭Revelation Joe


    But...
    but... but...

    But GTA has guns!!!

    :rolleyes:

    Yebbut to me, one of the main attractions of Driver was that it *wasn't* GTA :D

    Del


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    But HL2s story is almost non exsistant, at least int he sense that absolutely nothing is explained at all.
    HL2 has a long and complicated story :confused:

    It has detailed characters, plot lines, character development, and backstory.

    Just because nothing is explained at the end doesn't change that. Sure nothing was explained at the end of XFile TV series that that was over flowing with story.
    Its a great game but not exactly story driven.
    It was completely story driven. Even level and character had a purpose in the over all story.

    I think you just didnt notice because it was done so well, and so seemlessly.

    When it is done well you don't know that Valve have just explained the history of a town through your interaction with Eli. You don't notice that Valve have explained the purpose of the invasion throught the different monitors of Breen. You don't notice that Valve have detailed the history of the resistence from you talking to Barney a few times.
    Quake 4 was a really enjoyable single player. The story was nice, some great setpieces, very enjoyable. Doom 3 will always have a place in my heart due to giving me nightmares about the fat zombies after playing it for hours on end on release day.
    The stories in Quake and Doom were simply tacked on at the start and the ends. They were little more than set up for the next level. Basic in the extreme.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,677 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Star Wars licences, aside from the Lego and Knights of the old republic series.
    Couldn't believe how broken Rebel Strike on the GC was, Bounty Hunter, Episode 3 and CloneWars all sucked, even Battlefront 2 didn't do an awful lot.
    Given how much enjoyment I got out of Rogue Squadron, Rogue Leader, Starfighter, TieFighter/X-wing/Alliance, its remarkable how low a series can go, and what slop a IP owner can permit to be released in its name.

    I really liked single player Quake/2, Doom/2, Final Doom, Doom3 all good fun.
    Love to see a return to the lovecraft stylee of the first quake, get away from the Aliens clone the series has become, along with the other copies, yes Prey, I'm looking at you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭evad_lhorg


    I notice a few saying C&C after tiberian sun.... tbh I thought tiberian sun was the boring one and red alert 2 was the last great one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭tman


    Most definitely GTA
    To go from the magnificence of Vice City to the all around "meh"ness of San An is just unforgivable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    surprised nobody has mentioned the hiccup that was sonic the hedgehog's translation to 3d.

    I actually loved Sonic adventure, and while sonic adventure 2 was enjoyable plot wise its gameplay was a massive step in the wrong direction.

    Sonic Heroes continued the trend by overcomplicating a gamestyle that was celebrated for its ease. Though the return of metal sonic stopped me from giving up.

    Then Shadow the Hedgehog hit, aweful plot, aweful gameplay and really really cheap. The game killed my support of the franchise.

    Now the upcoming sonic ps3/360 looks like the same sh*t different engine, so not going to bother with it.

    But someone somewhere had a bright idea and sonic and the secret of the ring might save the series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭cregser


    Good topic. What does everyone think of the GC Mario Kart? I prefer the older ones.

    I agree mostly with C&C after Tiberian Sun and aprés GTA3 (I've never been so amazed playing a game for the first time). PES has been slowed down by the PS2 (I predict a big leap for PES7).

    Halo2 was a big let down for me. Also Tony Hawks has become a bit of a joke. The WWE games were fun even when the 'real' thing was crap but they all had the same bugs.

    Series I'd most like to see extended:
    Warcraft (not the role playing version).
    Far Cry (made by CryTek)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,383 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Starcraft. I'm fed up waiting for a sequel!

    I'm finding the unwillingness of GTA to evolve really off putting. It desperately needs a new engine. The combat overall is awful. The aiming is terrible and the AI just as bad. I'm surprised that another GTA wannabe hasn't overtaken the series since it can be improved in so many ways. Games like Gun have done combat so much better (but still not perfect).

    Both HL games have cliched B movie sci-fi plots. What makes them excell is the way they are told, no cutscenes and therefore a lot more immersion into the world of the games. Still I wouldn't say I've lost fate in the series. HL1 was the better game but HL2 was a cracking FPS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Mr. K


    Thanks Vegeta! You should give MGS3 a lash, I beat it in a weekend. But WHAT a weekend! And I replayed it again about a year later and loved every second of it all, it hadn't lost any of it's appeal.

    BlitzKrieg, I totally agree with you about Sonic! I know many of us loved the old games, but since the transition to 3D, the games have gotten worse and worse! I enjoyed SA1 and 2, I thought Shadow (the character) was really cool. But my brief experience of Heroes put me off completely!

    Driver 3 really did suck, I didn't bother playing a free demo of PL because I disliked 3 so much. I might dig it out sometime. But Ubisoft got the licence recently, didn't they? They could revitalise the series.

    Retr0gamer, I haven't played any Suikoden games aside from 2. Are 3, 4 and 5 bad? They released a two-pack of 1 and 2 for PSP in Japan, that and MGS Portable Ops would make one worth a look!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Anything from Lucasarts. They used to be my favourites back in their graphic adventures/xwing/tie fighter days, then they just turned into a bunch of whores churning out crappy star wars game after crappy star wars game.

    The Battlefield series also let me down. BF1942 was an excellent game. BF Vietnam was alright - i liked the music :). BF2 was initially interesting but ultimately sh1t, due to being inherently broken and then patched/expansion packed to death. The fact that there are so many complete ****tards playing it doesn't help either. The upcoming BF2142 just looks stupid to me.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,383 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Mr. K wrote:
    Retr0gamer, I haven't played any Suikoden games aside from 2. Are 3, 4 and 5 bad? They released a two-pack of 1 and 2 for PSP in Japan, that and MGS Portable Ops would make one worth a look!

    Suikoden 1+2 were fantastic, especially 2 which had such a fantastic, tragic and epic storyline. Suikoden 3 was rather good. It started extremely well but the ending didn't live up to the beginning. Major battles were a major letdown. Well worth playing but only available in America. Suikoden 4 was awful. Rubbish storyline, looked like a first gen PS2 game and had a really annoying random battle rate. I've had the PAL Suikoden 5 for the last 2 weeks (not out yet but I know someone in Konami) and haven't played yet. However I've been told it's excellent with a storyline rivalling Suikoden 2 despite a deliberately slow start. The reviews are about high 80's but people are saying it's getting underrated just like Suikoden 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    CiDeRmAn wrote:
    Love to see a return to the lovecraft stylee of the first quake, get away from the Aliens clone the series has become

    I've been hoping for that since being impressed by the advances graphically in the series, but wanting to play the original Quake with good graphics! :D
    BlitzKrieg wrote:
    Now the upcoming sonic ps3/360 looks like the same sh*t different engine, so not going to bother with it.
    But someone somewhere had a bright idea and sonic and the secret of the ring might save the series.

    Couldn't agree with you more, but Sonic Rush on the DS restored my faith in Sonic Team to be able to come up with the goods!
    cregser wrote:
    What does everyone think of the GC Mario Kart? I prefer the older ones.
    I enjoyed Double Dash, particularly 2-4 player races, and the hecticness of the battles in 4 player! Single player could have been better though. Mario Kart DS is a real return to form though, my favourite Mario Kart by far! :)
    Stephen wrote:
    Anything from Lucasarts. They used to be my favourites back in their graphic adventures/xwing/tie fighter days, then they just turned into a bunch of whores churning out crappy star wars game after crappy star wars game.
    Much like LucasFilm then! :D
    The last quality graphic adventure game they made was Grim Fandango, I was really quite disappointed in Escape From Monkey Island.
    Hopefully the ex-LucasArts guys over at Telltale Games can give us a great new Sam & Max game! :D With Steve Purcell involved too it should deliver. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Battlefield series, since bf2 i really have lost faith in EA/Dice games in general :mad:


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    I enjoyed Double Dash, particularly 2-4 player races, and the hecticness of the battles in 4 player! Single player could have been better though. Mario Kart DS is a real return to form though, my favourite Mario Kart by far! :)

    The original Super Mario Kart (SNES) was the best by far. On 150cc it was genuine difficulty - since the advent of the miraculous blue shell in double dash it has become cheap in its difficulty. In the original, expert driving and control rewarded you with a win - there was very little luck involved - nowadays you're gunning for the line in rainbow road to win the game and a poxy blue shell comes out of nowhere. Pah that's not difficult its unfair - which I hate as it points to lazy developing.
    Hopefully the ex-LucasArts guys over at Telltale Games can give us a great new Sam & Max game! :D With Steve Purcell involved too it should deliver. :D

    If I won the lotto I'd fund a company who developed good old point and clickers again. Full Throttle, The Dig, Grim Fandango, Sam and Max, etc. etc. Golden Stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Epic/UT - I thought they were pretty damn good with UT, with every successive iteration since its more obvious to me that they just fluked it.

    Oh yeah and CA/Total War - Its still the best real time strategy series around by miles and miles, but theyre getting lazy, rehashing the same thing without taking it forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    I loved the Close Combat series. As a WW2 RTS they kicked ass. And then some idiot comes up with the idea of changing it to a couple of years in the future and making it into a first person shooter! Pure genius :rolleyes:

    Another than let me down was Sin. The original was overshadowed by the release of Halflife, but was a pretty cool game in it's own right. Things like having to go into dos prompts on computers to get info and, what I thought was soooooo cool at the time was seeing the effects of your ations in later levels, for example, in the first level you were maning a gun on the side of a chopper flying around a bank. If you shot a billboard, it came crashing down into the bank and when you later get into the bank, you can find the billboard smashed through the roof. It was the little touches that got me excited :D

    But then Sin Episodes came out and it really feels like a by-the-book cash cow, bleeding of HL2's popularity. Bit disappointing, really :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭DingChavez


    Rainbow Six...yup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭BOHSBOHS


    rainbow six good
    rogue spear good
    raven shield good
    ----ubisoft lose heads
    lockdown crap
    lasvegas probably will be crap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭uberpixie


    jomanji wrote:
    I loved the Close Combat series. As a WW2 RTS they kicked ass. And then some idiot comes up with the idea of changing it to a couple of years in the future and making it into a first person shooter! Pure genius :rolleyes:

    TBH Close Combat 2 and 3 were the best in the series, anything before or after was crap.

    Only other series I have really lost faith in would be Fallout.

    1 and 2 were great.

    Tactics was alright: not a bad slant on the series, but really lacked a bit of atnosphere.

    The brotherhood of steel games do not exist as far as I am concerned.

    (How exactly did interplay decide to ditch fallout 3, which would have sold like hotcakes regardless on how bad it was, to make a sequal to a crap console 3rd person shooter that didn't sell well and got crap reviews?)

    Fallout 3 I have very little hope for. Bethdesa will be doing it.

    Didn't like Oblivion, due to how shallow the game was. Doubt Fallout 3 will have the same magic the previous 2 games had.


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