Supplements

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Nothing really. Just the ultra fine oats mix in a shake. You could grind normal porridge oats for a shake as well.

But there's no nutritional difference.

Did you ever try mixing the shake in a nutri bullet? I don't get the grainy effect because it disintegrates the oats.

Alf Veedersane

EmptyTree wrote: »

Nice one, great suggestion, I like the convenience of a ready made supp, but id definitely be willing to give this a go. I really like the idea of knowing what I'm getting, hate all the rubbish that's out there being sold at top dollar.

I get the attraction of the convenience - it is ultimately why people use shakes.

But for something like post-workout shakes or mass gainers are more simple than they are pitched as being. And, to be fair, there are plenty of alternatives for getting the calories on board that would cut out supplements.

But oats and whey is all the mass gainers are and in enough quantity to get you decent calories on board

A coffee grinder would also save you a few quid long term cos you could grind up ordinary porridge oats

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Did you ever try mixing the shake in a nutri bullet? I don't get the grainy effect because it disintegrates the oats.

No, I don't have a nutri bullet. I only have the fine oats cos I got them on a promotion - I don't use gainers.

But anything that grinds up the oats would do the job and save you buying the fine oats

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

No, I don't have a nutri bullet. I only have the fine oats cos I got them on a promotion - I don't use gainers.

But anything that grinds up the oats would do the job and save you buying the fine oats

How much are your fine oats?

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

How much are your fine oats?

I got a 5kg bag free but it'd cost about a tenner to buy.

EmptyTree

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But for something like post-workout shakes or mass gainers are more simple than they are pitched as being. And, to be fair, there are plenty of alternatives for getting the calories on board that would cut out supplements.

But oats and whey is all the mass gainers are and in enough quantity to get you decent calories on board

A coffee grinder would also save you a few quid long term cos you could grind up ordinary porridge oats

Yes, I had been adding milk to get a few extra cals, I'll sit down and do the sums tomorrow to try to make it equivalent but your previous post have me a good starting point. I never really thought about making my own, wouldn't have known where to begin even if I did! Thanks Alf.

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I've added good peanut butter and some nuts along with the above to get some extra calories in too. Also adds a lot of protein to the shake too

Good idea. Come to think of it, I've a feeling there was an old thread on this a while ago, I'll dig it out tomorrow.

Alf Veedersane

Plenty of options for good extra calories away from supplements alright.

But the the basic makeup of those mass gainers is a very straightforward mix of protein and carbs in a P:C breakdown of about 2:3 with about 400 kcals in there.

Doesn't need to be oats+protein, per se, but it's a lot cheaper to make yourself without sacrificing too much convenience

Sundance_Kid

Hi, what website is cheapest/best quality for supplements? I have used MyProtein before and notice there is a Bulk Powders forum on here also.

Thanks

Dtp1979

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

Hi, what website is cheapest/best quality for supplements? I have used MyProtein before and notice there is a Bulk Powders forum on here also.

Thanks

Price one against the other. They both have sales on daily

power pants

Finding SO nutrition isolate whey is giving me really bad farts and making me **** all the time, first time taking this

Used to always go with ph diet or golds

anyone else find the SO nutrition hard to stomach?

Danye

What's people's opinions on the quality of the brands - Natures Aid and Solgar?

SpaceCowb0y

Danye wrote: »

What's people's opinions on the quality of the brands - Natures Aid and Solgar?

Don't know too much about Natures Aid but Solgar are a well established brand of vitamins & supplements. Quite expensive though.

Tar.Aldarion

Danye wrote: »

What's people's opinions on the quality of the brands - Natures Aid and Solgar?

I use Solgars B12 supplements, very cheap and good. (Demonstrated in blood tests)

arayess

USN Whey in Lidl - 908g - 21.99

Sugar Free

arayess wrote: »

USN Whey in Lidl - 908g - 21.99

Actually pretty poor value compared to (for example) MyProtein, where most flavours work out at the same price for 2200g. I'm sure the convenience factor will be handy for some though.

arayess

Sugar Free wrote: »

Actually pretty poor value compared to (for example) MyProtein, where most flavours work out at the same price for 2200g. I'm sure the convenience factor will be handy for some though.

jaysus - do you lads ever get off the myprotein/bulk powders soapbox.:(

it's not the same fcuking thing.
It's cheap for USN, that's the comparison.
discount supplements sell this for 29,99 - lidl 21.99
that's the comparison.

It's also 908g not 2200g , bulk buying is 99.9% cheaper cost per unit but it's not a fair comparison.

Plus as you say it's convenient cos one is not paying 5e delivery when one only wants some protein and one only has 22e in their bank,

I use bulk powders myself but i'm fcuked if I'm droning on like some bore to another lad who like branded stuff that my way of life is superior.

you have successfully ruined what should be a happy event.

Yes I have completely overreacted but you mentioned a pet hate of mine which is the smug superiority of bulk powders/myprotein users.

Alf Veedersane

All he's done is said you can get something cheaper because some people will read it and think "Oh cool. I can get 2 lbs of protein for only €21.99".

It's not smugness. It's trying to be helpful.

arayess

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

All he's done is said you can get something cheaper because some people will read it and think "Oh cool. I can get 2 lbs of protein for only €21.99".

It's not smugness. It's trying to be helpful.

i disagree.
myprotein <> branded stuff.

you can get 2lb of USN 100% whey for 21.99 which is quite cheap.

Alf Veedersane

arayess wrote: »

i disagree.
myprotein <> branded stuff.

you can get 2lb of USN 100% whey for 21.99 which is quite cheap.

Not sure what the symbol in bold means but anyway, yeah its cheaper for USN. Someone suggesting a cheaper alternative doesn't have to be smug.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!

arayess

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not sure what the symbol in bold means but anyway, yeah its cheaper for USN. Someone suggesting a cheaper alternative doesn't have to be smug.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!

*
<> is "not equal too" .

No. this is the internet.
it's an internet forum for fitness.

so expect (Hatred) ^ 2

Dtp1979

arayess wrote: »

i disagree.
myprotein <> branded stuff.

you can get 2lb of USN 100% whey for 21.99 which is quite cheap.

25% off all proteins today @ myprotein
Code PROTEIN25

Sugar Free

that escalated somewhat quickly!

No smugness intended, I'm surprised it was picked up that way. If people prefer branded stuff or a particular brand, I certainly don't feel I'm superior to them. If their preferred brand is USN and Lidl are offering it cheaper than other sources all the better.

As Alf said I was merely comparing two sources of whey protein of similar quality (I certainly know MyProtein and Bulk Powders are good quality for the price you pay) and mindful that to someone casually reading this thread, there are cheaper options available, should they choose.

It's a valid point about delivery charges but most people I know who order from the 'Big 2' generally order the 5kg/11lb pouches, which is usually enough to get free delivery.

Alf Veedersane

arayess wrote: »

*
<> is "not equal too" .

<> ≠ ≠

Hanley

When people say "branded whey".... y'all know myprotein is a brand too?!

arayess

Sugar Free wrote: »

that escalated somewhat quickly!

No smugness intended, I'm surprised it was picked up that way. If people prefer branded stuff or a particular brand, I certainly don't feel I'm superior to them. If their preferred brand is USN and Lidl are offering it cheaper than other sources all the better.

As Alf said I was merely comparing two sources of whey protein of similar quality (I certainly know MyProtein and Bulk Powders are good quality for the price you pay) and mindful that to someone casually reading this thread, there are cheaper options available, should they choose.

It's a valid point about delivery charges but most people I know who order from the 'Big 2' generally order the 5kg/11lb pouches, which is usually enough to get free delivery.

i know -

you are baring the brunt for the dislike I have of the myprotein gang... you know they type ...can't mention a protein with them mentioning myprotein....kinda like a vegan crossfit animal rights activities.

anyway have a nice day ,i hope we can be friends again.

arayess

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

<> ≠ ≠

maths was beaten into me using "not equal" as "<>"

my keyboard seems to lack the fanciness of yours...although maybe you are on a phone

nonetheless we are where we are.

Alf Veedersane

arayess wrote: »

maths was beaten into me using "not equal" as "<>"

my keyboard seems to lack the fanciness of yours...although maybe you are on a phone

nonetheless we are where we are.

Yes, you're at HATRED^2 and I'm at smug^2

Alf Veedersane

Hanley wrote: »

When people say "branded whey".... y'all know myprotein is a brand too?!

Actually, saw a couple of Bulkpowders ads up on the Dart yesterday too.

arayess

Hanley wrote: »

When people say "branded whey".... y'all know myprotein is a brand too?!

yes indeed.
but is it "branded"? which was the word I used
I'd consider myprotein to be more on par with "shops own" or "generic" brands. of course you may disagree as is your right.

take for example cornflakes.
kellogs are considered branded..tesco's are not.
they are both "brands" and cornflakes. i guess.

sorry to be pedantic....but you brought it up and I do know my food.

the groutch

So Arayess, what is the actual difference between USN and MyProtein/Bulkpowders, other than a brand name and some clever marketing?

Alf Veedersane

the groutch wrote: »

So Arayess, what is the actual difference between USN and MyProtein/Bulkpowders, other than a brand name and some clever marketing?

Arayess might be able to add more but MP/BP would have a higher protein content.

runawaybishop

arayess wrote: »

yes indeed.
but is it "branded"? which was the word I used
I'd consider myprotein to be more on par with "shops own" or "generic" brands. of course you may disagree as is your right.

take for example cornflakes.
kellogs are considered branded..tesco's are not.
they are both "brands" and cornflakes. i guess.

sorry to be pedantic....but you brought it up and I do know my food.

Myprotein and ON have been independently tested and both are very high quality, MP a teeny bit higher. ON costs a lot more though. Both are Brands, with a big B.

Re your earlier post: Its just like the crap that used to be around HDMI cables, anyone that came on asking which 75 euro gold plated lead is best was swiftly told a 2 euro lead is the same. I don't think anyone is an evangelist for myprotein/bulkpowders/go nutrition, if any other site pops up selling good quality product at a good price they will be recommended.

WarZ

The Bulk Powder love in continues.

Posters should be aware that a lot of the people that continously big up this brand are actually paid reps by the company.

Sugar Free

Seems counter-intuitive given that they pay boards.ie to have their own forum... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1717

power pants

enough about lidl and my protein stuff, can someone answer the more pressing issues regarding supplements? my dicky tummy for starters

power pants wrote: »

Finding SO nutrition isolate whey is giving me really bad farts and making me **** all the time, first time taking this

Used to always go with ph diet or golds

anyone else find the SO nutrition hard to stomach?

runawaybishop

WarZ wrote: »

The Bulk Powder love in continues.

Posters should be aware that a lot of the people that continously big up this brand are actually paid reps by the company.

How do I become a rep?

Alf Veedersane

Don't forget the paid MyProtein reps posting here.

I think they get paid in discounts on protein.

Zombienosh

Don't forget the fitness reps posting here,

They get paid in fitness points. Which they use to increase their quality of life.

BULK POWDERS Ireland: Tom

An interesting discussion, particularly around 'branding'. We're as much as a 'brand' as ON and USN.

Just to point out we have no reps on the forum

JJayoo

BULK POWDERS Ireland: Tom wrote: »

An interesting discussion, particularly around 'branding'. We're as much as a 'brand' as ON and USN.

Just to point out we have no reps on the forum

Any chance you could pop out another 30% discount code Pleassseeeeeeeeee

Omega28

ON Whey or Kinetica?

SpaceCowb0y

Omega28 wrote: »

ON Whey or Kinetica?

Even though Kinetica are an Irish company I would still have to say ON is a superior product.

Omega28

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Even though Kinetica are an Irish company I would still have to say ON is a superior product.

Why so?

SpaceCowb0y

higher protein content (slightly) 78% to Kinetica's 76%, ON is also lower in fat BUT it does have a higher amount of cholesterol in it. Personally i always try to buy a whey with the highest protein content, personally I woudlnt use either anymore but have done in the past. I go online and use the wholesale sites that are frowned upon mentioning in this thread :rolleyes:

caviardreams

As an aside, ON (and BSN I believe) are now owned by Glanbia who are Irish.

Hanley

caviardreams wrote: »

As an aside, ON (and BSN I believe) are now owned by Glanbia who are Irish.

Correct. For the last couple of years.

Omega28

Is it produced in Ireland?

Alf Veedersane

Think it's produced in Middlesbrah.

Dtp1979

Has the quality of the protein not got to do with digestive enzymes too? And according to an inside source in glanbia, ON is the best

Omega28

Flavour recommendations?