Traditional Jujitsu clubs?

The Bored One

Howdy, a friend of mine is looking for a traditional jujitsu club in dublin, anyone know of any?
He's interested mainly in it for historical purposes, not self-defence, so probably be a fairly formal club he's looking for.
Thanks.

Nothingcompares

There is a jujitsu club in Coolmine Sports Centre. It's 5 mins from the blanchardstown shopping centre. I think They train tuesday and thursday.

Dyr

ooohh "traditional" is a very dangerous word in jujutsu circles :eek:

if, by "traditional" you mean "jujutsu that actually came from japan as opposed to jujutsu that pretend's it did" then the genbukan might be up his street, or there's a few ryo shinto ryu schools around which are japanese jujutsu.

Now "historical" is a whole nother kettle of fish...

The Bored One

Bambi wrote:

ooohh "traditional" is a very dangerous word in jujutsu circles :eek:

if, by "traditional" you mean "jujutsu that actually came from japan as opposed to jujutsu that pretend's it did" then the genbukan might be up his street, or there's a few ryo shinto ryu schools around which are japanese jujutsu.

Now "historical" is a whole nother kettle of fish...

Hehe I know what you mean about historical, I've yet to ever seen any martial art give an entirely accurate history of itself.
He seems to be looking for proper japanese jujitsu, not anything that has been modified too thoroughly. As I said its nothing to do with self-defence, just an interest in formal style jujitsu training.

Any ideas where the Shinto Ryu stuff is?

The Bored One

Well I found one anyway.

Kyushoshinjitsu

Hehe, I always find it funny how dismissive traditionalists seem to be of sport styles. I mean no one acts like a trained boxer would be easy pickings, so why should it hold true for any other martial art that has a sporting element?

Dyr

The Bored One wrote:

Hehe I know what you mean about historical, I've yet to ever seen any martial art give an entirely accurate history of itself.
He seems to be looking for proper japanese jujitsu, not anything that has been modified too thoroughly. As I said its nothing to do with self-defence, just an interest in formal style jujitsu training.

Any ideas where the Shinto Ryu stuff is?

Look on it this way, When people say "historical" in the context of Japanese martial arts they nearly always mean "men in armour chopping each other up and all that cool samurai stuff". Now there are schools in japan that date back to the warring states era (ie choppy up samurai times). They're hundreds of years old and considered to be intangible cultural assets. Most of them are primarily weapons based and those that do have grappling/empty hand stuff dont use the term jujutsu as it wasnt in common use back then.

what do you think your chances are of finding this stuff in yer local community hall in ireland? yup, zilch. However, as with all antiques, there's plenty of people who'll sell you a cheap imitation. You want to study "historical" stuff for real then get on a plane, but bear in mind, these are antique's, and therefore are rare and not easy to get access into, no sign for the monthly direct debit and bobs your uncle.

Most authentic ju jutsu comes from the meiji period when major battles werent an issue and are focused on fighting with or without personal weapons. This is where stuff like yoshin ryu and daito ryu came from. And guess what? you wont find any of them in Ireland either. Plenty of stuff that pretends it is though. However, the genbukan and ryoi shinto ryu originate in Japan, unlike just about every other "traditional" jujutsu system here so they're his best bet

Now if your mate wants to play at being a samurai then anything will do, hell i've a black belt in a "traditional" jj system i'll happiliy play samurai's with him for a silly amount of money

However, if "historical" is really that important to him, hes gonna have to get on a plane to japan or somewhere else and hope for the best...

The Bored One

Bambi wrote:

Look on it this way, When people say "historical" in the context of Japanese martial arts they nearly always mean "men in armour chopping each other up and all that cool samurai stuff". Now there are schools in japan that date back to the warring states era (ie choppy up samurai times). They're hundreds of years old and considered to be intangible cultural assets. Most of them are primarily weapons based and those that do have grappling/empty hand stuff dont use the term jujutsu as it wasnt in common use back then.

what do you think your chances are of finding this stuff in yer local community hall in ireland? yup, zilch. However, as with all antiques, there's plenty of people who'll sell you a cheap imitation. You want to study "historical" stuff for real then get on a plane, but bear in mind, these are antique's, and therefore are rare and not easy to get access into, no sign for the monthly direct debit and bobs your uncle.

Most authentic ju jutsu comes from the meiji period when major battles werent an issue and are focused on fighting with or without personal weapons. This is where stuff like yoshin ryu and daito ryu came from. And guess what? you wont find any of them in Ireland either. Plenty of stuff that pretends it is though. However, the genbukan and ryoi shinto ryu originate in Japan, unlike just about every other "traditional" jujutsu system here so they're his best bet

Now if your mate wants to play at being a samurai then anything will do, hell i've a black belt in a "traditional" jj system i'll happiliy play samurai's with him for a silly amount of money

However, if "historical" is really that important to him, hes gonna have to get on a plane to japan or somewhere else and hope for the best...

I think his interest lies more in doing the formal jujitsu stuff msotly, rather than any major interest in playing samurai. So in the case of traditional training, I think he's looking more for what is generally accepted as tradfitional, rather than completely historically accurate.
When you say the Genbukan jujitsu, are you referring to the KJJR?

ninjawitatitude

Hey Bored One,
For traditional Ninpo and Ju Jutsu try Genbukan.org

For Ryoi Shinto Ryu try Tony Carrick in Lucan.

Hope this helps

The Bored One

ninjawitatitude wrote:

Hey Bored One,
For traditional Ninpo and Ju Jutsu try Genbukan.org

For Ryoi Shinto Ryu try Tony Carrick in Lucan.

Hope this helps

I've trained with the Genbukan before and while its fun, Im not sure its what he's looking for.
Will give the SHinto Ryu a shot.
Thanks mate.