Micro limits NL

poker4life

All the advice here is generally concerned with medium/high limits.
I've never played on the web, and want to start at probably 5cent/10 cent NL on Paddy Power, or Betfair.
Can anyone admit they play at these levels, and give some advice/comments?
Like how much could you reasonably expect to make per hour? Are the players really crap at that level?

Lafortezza

How experienced are you in poker? The usual recommendations are to start with Single Table Tournaments at the $1-$5 levels. You get more poker for your money at these, and they can be handy in teaching the basics of winning.
I think every site has micro limits, expect very loose players and to be outdrawn alot. But they should be profitable if you play sensibly. I've no idea how much you could make per hour, depends on alot of things.

Sangre

try and see flops really cheaply with drawing hands

raise big pf with premium hands aj+/jj+ - AI any favouralbe flop really.

don't bother disguising hands.


Basically bet very hard when you hit, never slowplay. And don't bother trying to read this players.

RoadSweeper

also, i found you should paly any low pockets if its reasonably cheap. 22-99. If you hit your trips these players never pick up on it.

ArmaniJeanss

poker4life wrote:

Can anyone admit they play at these levels, and give some advice/comments?
Like how much could you reasonably expect to make per hour? Are the players really crap at that level?

I'd agree with Lafortezzas advice re playing STTs at the $1 to $5 level. I think you get a better grounding in many aspects of the game in STTs. I played at these 'low' levels for about 6 months from Jul-Dec05.

If you are a total beginner then you can expect to lose for at least the first couple of weeks.

Quick learning will turn this round and 25% return is readily achievable in a short space of time. (i.e, could expect to earn ~55c in every $2 STT you play, $1.35 in a $5 STT etc). Your average time in an STT will be about 40 minutes so double tabling will let you play an average of 3 an hour.
However its very non-linear, even a successful player at these level will get 10 in a row unplaced quite often.

Cash games I can't help you with sadly.

AJs.

bohsman

Seem to remember Iago giving a good guide to micro limits on tribeca

edit: it was Jaden http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=210582&referrerid=&highlight=guide+to+poker

poker4life

Thanks for that info lads - that thread by Jaden was fantastic!

cooker3

Actually this is interesting point for me.

I have played online for a year now, I mainly play mtt's but also like to play SnG's and so far they have been profitable, I have about $2000 in the account now but I I am trying to move on to ring games now as it has generally been shown here that best players are ones who did well in ring games as you can play each street instead of tournaments which especially in the late stages are predominatly about how you play pre-flop.

Now I decided that I will start of playing .05-.10c games and try to beat them, now I know I have bankroll to play .25-.50 and also probably .50-1 but figure it's better to start low, try to beat it and move up, in a sense ignore my bank roll to begin with and try to beat each level and earn my stripes so to speak before I move up. Does anyone think this is good or should I play at a higher level?

Sangre

Forgot to add I started at 1/2c blinds with a $5 free and now play the 25/50c with ambitions of 50/1 soon. Haven't ever deposited money.

Don't listen to people who say they're too bad to beat. Its a very beatable level. Just play super ABC tight poker. Push AI on any flop where you've hit 2+ pair etc.,

poker4life

Sangre wrote:

Forgot to add I started at 1/2c blinds with a $5 free and now play the 25/50c with ambitions of 50/1 soon. Haven't ever deposited money.

Well that is incredible, I love hearing things like that!
Fair play - so you wouldn't agree with Jaden's advice to generally slow play and min raise with premium hands pre-flop?

gerry87

I'm not too sure about no limit, i seem to be a bit of a donkey in low stakes no limit ring games. But limit is very easy at these levels, just play solid and people just throw money at you. It's good for building a bankroll.

Rnger

I would disagree with slowplaying big pairs preflop. Open pushing pf with AA/KK isnt a bad idea at these levels. You get maximum value if your called and you do get called far more often than at any other level. You be surprised at what calls you

Sangre

poker4life wrote:

Well that is incredible, I love hearing things like that!
Fair play - so you wouldn't agree with Jaden's advice to generally slow play and min raise with premium hands pre-flop?

Absolutely not, I'd advocate the complete opposite. Push, Push, Push any good flop, turn, river for you. Preferably flop!

If you've a premium pair push with it if there is any raise before you. If not open it up to about 6xBB (more if they'll call it) - bet big/push any non draw flop you're over to pretty much.

If you've raised with AJ+, don't continue bet on the flop oop, or even at all if they'll keep calling. Because even on a rag flop with their calling range they could have easily hit it.

Remember these players will never notice a tight playing pattern, so it doesn't matter if you're very easy to read.

Limp in with any suited connectors/good drawing hands, don't raise even with position. Ax suited can be great if you can get in for cheap. Limp in any pair below JJ for set value, it will never occur to them you're flop push is a set.

You'll be amazed at what people call at these levels on scary boards. I think a lot of them have a slowplay mentality, so if you overbet into them they'll assume a bluff.

Start multi-tabling when you've a bit of a bankroll, its quite tedious playing this tight. Few tables will liven it up.

Expect some horrific outdraws though

poker4life

Thx again for that, it sounds like solid advice to me! I'll be following that plan so.

spectre

cooker3 wrote:

Actually this is interesting point for me.

I have played online for a year now, I mainly play mtt's but also like to play SnG's and so far they have been profitable, I have about $2000 in the account now but I I am trying to move on to ring games now as it has generally been shown here that best players are ones who did well in ring games as you can play each street instead of tournaments which especially in the late stages are predominatly about how you play pre-flop.

Now I decided that I will start of playing .05-.10c games and try to beat them, now I know I have bankroll to play .25-.50 and also probably .50-1 but figure it's better to start low, try to beat it and move up, in a sense ignore my bank roll to begin with and try to beat each level and earn my stripes so to speak before I move up. Does anyone think this is good or should I play at a higher level?

With this size bankroll, you should start at no less than .25/.50

There are plenty of good advise threads for low limit cash games on boards that should help you get started. If you are disciplined you can easily beat this limit.

Quick pointers:

-Don't bluff (certainly not as much).
-Bet good hands strong. e.g. if you are in the BB with 55 in a raised pot.
Flop comes A T 5, bet it. Slowplaying will cost you money.
-FOLD TOP PAIR when faced with resistance.
-Play tight preflop, paricularly in EP.
-Learn to play after the flop (most people who start off playing tournament poker will not have much post flop skills).
-Invest in PokerTracker.

Do it now.

PokerSquid

you know, I play these limits, and I typically don't do well. for two primary reasons:

1) I'm not that good and make some bad calls/folds/decisions, which are IMO directly caused by...
2) the play can be erratic. guys limping (0.25?!?! really???) with Qs or calling big raise with A/7o.

So I tend to have no idea where I am. If I have top pair, is it good or did that boob limp with big pair? I've done well enough sometimes, but others, I bust out when I think I have the best hand and don't b/c some boob is playing j/4 suited UTG or if I know I'm beat on the flop but have a good (50/50) draw and just don't get lucky.

I'd say there are more ridiculous plays (and players) at this level, but from what I've read that's just not true.