sick - biggest ever pot in High-stakes poker. (SPOILERS!)

gamblingIRE

Proof that Real-Life poker is Fixed

http://www.youtube.com/v/5k8mdvx0RWM

you just don't wanna be daniel.

LuckyLloyd

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Tar.Aldarion

Jesus, I would be a little upset.


I was sure the river would be a 6.

That was like car crash TV. Had to watch with my hands in front of my eyes. I'd definitely take a few minutes to myself after that hand...

NickyOD

Here's where KidPoker REALLY goes on Tilt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p166DHaYFs

As much as I think Negreanu is over rated. I really felt sorry for him, because he is such a nice guy. It's much more fun watching things like this happen to Hellmuth.

mewso

Oh come on now you know this would never happen to Phil. He can dodge bullets and probably boats and quads too.

pok3rplaya

I gotta say I'm impressed with the way they bots kept their cool after the hand. No fist pumping and shoving it in the other persons face like you see some people doing.

opr

NickyOD wrote:

Here's where KidPoker REALLY goes on Tilt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p166DHaYFs

As much as I think Negreanu is over rated. I really felt sorry for him, because he is such a nice guy. It's much more fun watching things like this happen to Hellmuth.

I do have a certain amount of sympathy for him but he makes an awful call at the end of this hand.

The only thing he was beating was a bluff and he calls 74 K i think it is to find out !!!

Opr

patmac

Shouldn't this be in the bad beats thread?;) If the OP could edit the post where he feels sorry for Negranu kind of spoils it for the people who haven't seen it. Tough call all the same would anyone have folded in this position?

careca

patmac wrote:

Shouldn't this be in the bad beats thread?;) If the OP could edit the post where he feels sorry for Negranu kind of spoils it for the people who haven't seen it. Tough call all the same would anyone have folded in this position?

I wouldn't anyway. Great check by Hansen on the river though, must have confused Negreanu.

The second hand should have been easy enough to get away from. A smooth call on the flop, smooth call on the turn and all in on the river should have set some alarm bells going. Maybe not quads but def QQ or JJ or even Q8 or J8. They were all hands that could have been played that way.

NickyOD

careca wrote:

I wouldn't anyway. Great check by Hansen on the river though, must have confused Negreanu.

If anything it shoudl have made Hansens hand as transparrant as tracing paper. Negreau could have folded his house that hand.

Waylander

NickyOD wrote:

If anything it shoudl have made Hansens hand as transparrant as tracing paper. Negreau could have folded his house that hand.

How many times have you folded a house with only one pair on the board? Think you are being very harsh there Nicky.

NickyOD

Waylander wrote:

How many times have you folded a house with only one pair on the board? Think you are being very harsh there Nicky.

How often will someone check raise the river on a paired board without out atleast a house? Unless Daniel thinks Hansen has 8-5/9-5 (which he wouldn't check raise the river with anyway) then there is no hand he can beat. It has to be 99/88/55. Hansen is only ever making such a huige river check raise with the stone cold goolies.

Flipper

i don't think anyone in the whole world would lay this down. Anyone who says they would is a liar. I felt that Negreanu was value-betting on the river thinking Hansen might have had the nut straight (knowing the crap he plays pre-flop). If he even had a glimmer of an idea on the river that he was behind, he would have checked the hand down. He had too much behind to put at risk without the stone cold nuts - especially when he only has the 4th nuts. Nicky has already made the point that Hansen's check-raise was so huge that it had to be the nuts on the river. No way it'd be a bluff.

NickyOD

Flipper wrote:

i don't think anyone in the whole world would lay this down. Anyone who says they would is a liar

This from the man who laid aces down preflop 3 handed.

fixer

has kid poker laid down any of those river raises against him?

delanec8

fixer wrote:

has kid poker laid down any of those river raises against him?

Nope, none that ive seen anyway. And, Negreanu realising this should know that there is no way any of the others would try pulling a move on the river against him because they are expecting a call from him.

Hectorjelly

Flipper wrote:

i don't think anyone in the whole world would lay this down. Anyone who says they would is a liar. I felt that Negreanu was value-betting on the river thinking Hansen might have had the nut straight (knowing the crap he plays pre-flop). If he even had a glimmer of an idea on the river that he was behind, he would have checked the hand down. He had too much behind to put at risk without the stone cold nuts - especially when he only has the 4th nuts. Nicky has already made the point that Hansen's check-raise was so huge that it had to be the nuts on the river. No way it'd be a bluff.

I dont understand what your saying here at all (possibly my fault). You seem to imply the following,
1 Daniel should only bet the river with the stone cold nuts, or with a hand that he is 100% sure is the best
2 Gus Hansons All in can only be the nuts
3 You shouldnt value bet on the river with plenty of money behind unless you are 100% sure you have the best hand
4 Everyone one in the world would and should call with the house there despite you saying there is no chance your ahead


point 1 & 3 are wrong and 2 & 4 contradict each other

bohsman

Flipper wrote:

i don't think anyone in the whole world would lay this down.

Alan Betson folded on the river with the nuthouse in last years WSOP main event, his opponent showed the quads.

ianmc38

bohsman wrote:

Alan Betson folded on the river with the nuthouse in last years WSOP main event, his opponent showed the quads.

SICK

luckyvegas7

Hectorjelly wrote:

I dont understand what your saying here at all (possibly my fault). You seem to imply the following,
1 Daniel should only bet the river with the stone cold nuts, or with a hand that he is 100% sure is the best
2 Gus Hansons All in can only be the nuts
3 You shouldnt value bet on the river with plenty of money behind unless you are 100% sure you have the best hand
4 Everyone one in the world would and should call with the house there despite you saying there is no chance your ahead


point 1 & 3 are wrong and 2 & 4 contradict each other

my thoughts exactly....coughing back on granpa's old medicine flipper?...

ocallagh

bohsman wrote:

Alan Betson folded on the river with the nuthouse in last years WSOP main event, his opponent showed the quads.

I heard he flat called his opponents bet on the river with the 2nd nuts instead of raising.. My version could be way off - I can't even remember who told me this.

DeVore

Betson flat called the river bet into him with the top house. This was a good bit into the tournament though and 99% of players there go broke and feel ok about it.
He told me he thought "something was funny" with the way the guy bet into him and the betting before that. Betson has uncanny senses tbh...

DeV.

kraken1800

I wonder how much is for Daniel 300K, probably like for me $300:-) And I would be pretty upset if I lost 300 bucks. Similar thing happened to me when I was playing freeroll so it was nothing comparing to this. He had AA, I had pocket tents, the flop came AK10 then another 10. And it felt really good. I can imagine how good was feeling Gus counting those chips:-)

DeadParrot

tbh, the only players I find hard to work out on that show are sammy and elizra (sp?)
They jump into pots with dirt, of course no-one expects it when they hit dirt gold.

Bp!

Anyone hear much about this... has been no talk about it leadin up to it

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2006/8/million-dollar-cash-game.htm

"The Poker Channel & All-In Sports have announced an exciting new production and the launch of Europe’s biggest ever game of high stakes poker......"

Hasnt the Poker channel closed for business?

careca

DeadParrot wrote:

tbh, the only players I find hard to work out on that show are sammy and elizra (sp?)
They jump into pots with dirt, of course no-one expects it when they hit dirt gold.

I like the way Farha plays, it makes for good tv but does anyone else think he is a prik towards the dealers. Every second hand he tells them "I can count it, I know it better than you, do it this way and so on". Likes to run the show and he is not as much fun this time around when he's being run over. Bad loser I reckon.

DeadParrot

yeah, that did stick in my craw a bit.....
Sammy and elizra's game seems to count on a lot of luck do you not find.
Sammy's "raisey-daisy", is seen, imo, as something of a joke from the rest of the table and dont give either of them respect for their preflop play.

Daniel's main issue, at the moment, is an inability to put down hands. Forget about hansens quads, he should have seen the other guy by a long way after the turn, and esp after the push.
I hate the way he goes through every hand that can beat him and then discounts it, its a major weakness in his game.

Hectorjelly

Eli and Sam are both fish

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Eli and Sam are both fish

It's amazing. The play on HSP most of the time, is not much different from the 1-2 game at the fitz.

ollyk1

NickyOD wrote:

It's amazing. The play on HSP most of the time, is not much different from the 1-2 game at the fitz.

Nicky have you watched the live at the bike episodes where Barry Greestein commentates on the game?

In the most recent episode where he commentates he basically says how most of the players are terrbile no limit cash game players in HSP and he was in shock how bad they are and basically reverted to solid poker against them because it was by far the most long-term profitable way to go. I don't think he rates anyone bar Doyle as a no limit cash game player in that game.

His commentary's are very insightful from my point of view. If he was commentating every week on LATB I'd be paying that $15 a month subscription fee in a flash!!:D

NickyOD

ollyk1 wrote:

Nicky have you watched the live at the bike episodes where Barry Greestein commentates on the game?

In the most recent episode where he commentates he basically says how most of the players are terrbile no limit cash game players in HSP and he was in shock how bad they are and basically reverted to solid poker against them because it was by far the most long-term profitable way to go. I don't think he rates anyone bar Doyle as a no limit cash game player in that game.

His commentary's are very insightful from my point of view. If he was commentating every week on LATB I'd be paying that $15 a month subscription fee in a flash!!:D

Yeah I'd go with everything Greenstein says, but I think Estefandaari, Elahi and Daid Gray have played well from what I've seen. the rest seem to want to play a specualtive game like the early stages of a tournament, trying to accumlate chips all the time. They just don't change grears. It's just not the way to go.