can women really only play pocket Queen's?

corc

ok. this is one of those hands that looks ohhh so beautiful in your hand but playing them always seems to end in tears and the loss of so many chips.

two weeks in a row now i got skint with poket queens and not 2 mention how many times they have cost me in the past. Ive seen women play these and hit houses, trips and so on. two weeks ago I ran into a straight to the J after the flop came 7,8,9 rainbow and the dude I was betting into flat calling me with 10,J off suite. took me for a lot of chips with no over cards to the Q on the table all the way to the river.

then last week down 2 5 of us on the table and im in the big blind. everyone to the button folds and the button raises to 1800 (3* BB) and SB folds so i look at my cards and see 2 pretty ladies. look at the guys stack and i know the type of player he is and guess he is playing position with maybe A or K with a bad kicker. So i raised him to 4000 which made him put in an additional 40% of his chips which he hummed over. flop hit K 8 3 with no flush draw on. Didnt like the K so checked and he went all in with what he had left after some hesitation. I know the player and how he works and felt a weekness but know a K had me beat. after some deliberation I called and sure as could be he showed me K 4 and he was ahead and held up.

point is, why do overcards always hit when I have pocket queens or when they dont the straight hits me?

just bad luck?
am I the only guy who cant play pocket queens?
Any guy out there that has played the ladies with success?
any guys out there who have same problem as I do?
any ladies even that get beating with the ladies?


end of rant!

5starpool

They are powerful when played right. you have to learn when to let them go though. Just because they are an overpair doesn't mena you have to die with them. Saying that, I have had a few brainfarts with QQ too.

Sinfonia

If you're interested in Doyle Brunson's methods, Super System (2) has a good few pages devoted entirely to playing QQ in no limit hold'em

RoundTower

u shuld go ALL IN its the olny way the fish understand to fold that MUCK!!!!!

Corben Dallas

one for the stato's.......

Player at table 2 wks ago was spuing (<yes its a word:D ) out stats and outs on ppls hole cards/boards etc and one thing he said re Queens was that u have a 60% chance of an over card (A,K) on the flop with QQ.

would have thought it was closer to 20% (15%?) meself? (8cards v 40 cards (not counting other Q's <not a over card?))

+pls explain yur process, thx

Killme00

I think the odds of flopping an overcard to your pocket queens is more like 49% (8/50 + 8/49 + 8/48)

Pls correct me if i am wrong

Personnally i like pocket queens but sometimes have alittle trouble letting them go when there are no overcards on board

corc

all in is a good move when someone raises into you pre flop alright and something i would be inclined to do in furure but again all they need is a K and an A and they hit it. Hate the freaking hand with a passion now and yeah i can lay her down alright after 2 recently costly experiences.

as i said they look beautiful and can lul one into a false sense of confidence. Then again aint that the truth with all ladies, poker or real life!

ntlbell

Corben Dallas wrote:

one for the stato's.......

Player at table 2 wks ago was spuing (<yes its a word:D ) out stats and outs on ppls hole cards/boards etc and one thing he said re Queens was that u have a 60% chance of an over card (A,K) on the flop with QQ.

would have thought it was closer to 20% (15%?) meself? (8cards v 40 cards (not counting other Q's <not a over card?))

+pls explain yur process, thx

I wish eddie the eagle would f*ck off with this!

eggie

Killme00 wrote:

I think the odds of flopping an overcard to your pocket queens is more like 49% (8/50 + 8/49 + 8/48)

Pls correct me if i am wrong

Personnally i like pocket queens but sometimes have alittle trouble letting them go when there are no overcards on board

Chance of an overcard:

1 - (42/50 x 41/49 x 40/48) = 41%

luckyvegas7

I wish eddie the eagle would f*ck off with this!

LMAO...he had a nice earner yesterday on ppp

sprocket1

yea hes being goin on about this for weeks and he's wrong of course
(but im too polite to correct him)
its 41% or 1.4/1 if u prefer ,that if u have Q's there will be either an A or K on the flop

Bandana boy

might want to re word your post title it sounds a little like women can only play pocket qs and cant play any other hand

ionapaul

Eddie told me this TWICE last week, twice I tells ya, two different nights in the SE.

Killme00

eggie wrote:

Chance of an overcard:

1 - (42/50 x 41/49 x 40/48) = 41%

I know i may sound stupid bit i dont really mind but...

how can i be so far out here with (8/50 + 8/49 + 8/48)

I accept that you are correct with (1 - (chance of undercards)) but am a bit confused about why i cant get it to work the other way round

Linford

Killme00 wrote:

I know i may sound stupid bit i dont really mind but...

how can i be so far out here with (8/50 + 8/49 + 8/48)

I accept that you are correct with (1 - (chance of undercards)) but am a bit confused about why i cant get it to work the other way round

There was a whole thread on this last week - it explains all
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054982174

patmac

I'm not homophobic, I think the rock band are ok, I have nothing personal against her majesty so why are Queens giving me such a hard time. I have been knocked out with Queen related hands all last month and again last night. It started a month ago in a MTT on PPP was heads up all in on a Ah Qh 10h flop with 9h 5h villian has QJ turn J river Q, and been mullered by Queens ever since some examples last night all in AJ beaten by QJ with Q on the turn. All in with QQ beaten by AJ, AQ beaten by KQ. I would say in my last 10 tourneys I have been knocked out by the dreaded ladies when I have been ahead each time. I know this should probably be in the bad beat thread, but it is seriously wrecking my head and affecting my play. Maybe we can start a support group or something.

Hitman Actual

ntlbell wrote:

I wish eddie the eagle would f*ck off with this!

How did that bet go in the end, Brian?

Here's a site that does all those overcard stats:

http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/calculator.php?card1=12&card2=12&chance_format=percentage&decimals=1

gosplan

corc wrote:

all in is a good move

Is it really though?

If I push with queens and you're behind me then whats your range to call?

AA/KK/JJ or AK?

In reality I think getting all in is pretty much just getting yourself into a 50/50position.

I prefer a decent raise and re-evaluate on the flop.

gosplan

patmac wrote:

Maybe we can start a support group or something.

Last time I was in the fitz friday scalps game. Early days, no-one knows me but hadn't played a hand apart from to steal a round of blinds with a decent ace. Playing tight and get pocket queens. 1 raiser(maniac) raises, 2 calls, I push for more or less the starting stack. 1 calls, 2 folds. 1 turns over KQo :eek:

Table murmurs, king flops and that's it.

Next hand he called off all my chips when against AK with something like Q9 on a board of 23578.:mad:

I just realised that this goes against my previous posts but this guy was way out of his league, a total beginner(although we all start somewhere). IMO you will not find many of these at decent games.

kraken1800

I think everybody has his/her unlucky hand. And your is pocket queens. My unlucky hand is AQ. I lose with this hand 80% of time and it is the hand I more likely use to bust from tournaments even when I hit ace. And when played against me I lose as well. Maybe it is in our heads that we do not feel with this unlucky hands confortable and it affects our play. Maybe it's the bad vibration when you look at them at say what the **** again?:mad: I am now playing this hand (AQ) extremely cautious and unless I do not get two pair or straight I am not interested. And I haven't got two pair or straight with this evil hand so far:-)

5starpool

gosplan wrote:

Last time I was in the fitz friday scalps game. Early days, no-one knows me but hadn't played a hand apart from to steal a round of blinds with a decent ace. Playing tight and get pocket queens. 1 raiser(maniac) raises, 2 calls, I push for more or less the starting stack. 1 calls, 2 folds. 1 turns over KQo :eek:

Table murmurs, king flops and that's it.

Next hand he called off all my chips when against AK with something like Q9 on a board of 23578.:mad:

I just realised that this goes against my previous posts but this guy was way out of his league, a total beginner(although we all start somewhere). IMO you will not find many of these at decent games.

Was this guy from mainland europe somewhere and wearing a black tee shirt with the European circle of stars on the sleeve? If not it sounds a lot like him.

He was the biggest maniac I have ever seen at a table. He would raise, reraise, or call a big allin bet with cards such as A2o, 46s, 89o, A3o, K5o etc. I managed to get him allin for 14000 preflop against him at the 200-400 level with TT against A2o, but he hit his A of course. This guy got to the final table and I seen the hand he went out on. All in preflop A3o vs AKo.

Madman.

Sangre

Over about 3500 hands, QQ is my 2nd biggest losing hand
Mainly due to 2 big hands, one I was outdraw by a gutshot draw on the turn and the other was the biggest donk tilit push I've ever done.

gosplan

Don't think so, pretty sure he was an irish guy and I saw him leave well before the final table.

In truth I've only played that game 4 or 5 times but I feel there is a few donkeys there usually and it's a well playable game. It's just a matter of repeating the exercise till they don't hit their outs.