Green Bay Packers

FlutterinBantam

Notice that a lot of people support Green Bay...presume its all right to have a thread to comment on the forthcoming season....

I have followed the Pack since the 80s Lindy Infante an all that...been to Lambeau for a few games....so...

Poor pre season for GB.. 1-3.... I know that pre-season is no indicator but I also think that .500 will be good for the Pack this season....I listened to the game yesterday vs Titans and 3rd down defence was poor as it has been ...So any packers fans maybe we can use this thread to discuss the Packers games and do a bit of bitching or praising!!!

Timans

I'm also a Packers man.

I'm expecting a much better season than last year though. New coach will hopefully bring some fresh ideas. Hopefully our draft picks will do some damage.

It's going to be a few seasons before we are a dominant force again though but it will happen.

FlutterinBantam

I'm not expecting much this season.... O-Line is re jigged... new center ..rookies etc...Kicker gone and a shaky one brought in....New coach...hopefully linebacking corps will step up with nick barnett and AJ hawk putting pressure on teams... but I am looking forward to an interesting season which will be a stepping stone to better things

FlutterinBantam

Just noticed packers do not feature in any of Sky's coverage for first four weeks of the NFL.... subject to change ..but i guess we will not see them in Sep.

Pherekydes

Packers' fan here since '82, the days of James Lofton!

The pre-season is notoriously difficult to judge a team by, but they look dodgy. Their runners seem to be going well, and Greg Jennings seems to be something of a find, so I'm hopeful, rather than expectant. Tough first one; should tell a lot...

Iceman_5000

GO Pack Go eh!

Dont think we can realistically expect much, this is pretty much a brand new team. A rookie O-Line is not going to help anybody, what made Favre throw so many INTs last season was the fact there was a very poor running game so we had to pass the ball more add a few injures and your 4-12.

We have a Monday night game in 12th of Oct that'll probaily be on Five.

geoff_nfl

hey i supported packers for years and havent seen them play like they did in their great days coz im only 16 but am hoping they make a big comeback in the next few years!!!!!! well i think the packers will do alright this season. i was looking up the play by play on nfl.com and saw favre threw an 89 pass yesterday against the titans!!!!!! i also think aj hawk will give some strenght to our defense this year compared to last year anyway!!! about our run game, well awful last year other than gado's few exceptional games!!!! ahmen green seemed to play well but lets see how he does in the real season. what does anybody think of aaron rodgers?????

FlutterinBantam

Rogers won't get much snap time unless Favre is injured or has a few total disasters...I lost a post to the system in which I agreed with the fact that the o-Line is shaky and .500 is the best I can hope for... unfortunately I don't get channel 5 and Packers radio network is the best i can hope for with Wayne Larravee and Larry McCarron.

FlutterinBantam

I see they have released Najeh Davenport... cuts down the short yardage options I would think....Surprising???

jdivision

FlutterinBantam wrote:

I see they have released Najeh Davenport... cuts down the short yardage options I would think....Surprising???

Very. He mustn't have recovered very well from the injury he suffered last year (knee I think). I think the Bay will struggle to get to 8-8. I think allowing Favre back was a mistake to a certain extent because there'll be a bigger weight of expectation on the team as a result. O-line is a mess, receiving options aren't great, i think green at rb is past it... think they'll struggle to score this season.

FlutterinBantam

Agree on most points..however they would NEVER be forgiven if they 'cut' Favre... has to be allowed to end it HIS way...

Not so sure A Green is past it.... IMO no matter how good a RB is he will struggle behind an O-line which doesn't punch out the holes for him,and that is part of the problem with the running game.Ever since Frankie Winters retired, the pack O seemed to lack the abrasion required to dominate opposing D's...he was a good one was bag a donuts!!!

jdivision

FlutterinBantam wrote:

be forgiven if they 'cut' Favre... has to be allowed to end it HIS way...

I was under impression Packers asked him to come back and he thought long and hard about it and decided to. If they hadn't asked he would have retired and the long, boring circus of will he won't he over the summer could have been avoided (it's been going on for a few years now and is getting boring). That would have avoided the need to cut him, and I agree I don't think he should have been. They were also worried he might end up somewhere else. At some stage they have to find out if Rodgers has what it takes. Personally I would have thought this was the year. Favre has already hinted that if the season goes badly he'll sit on the bench if needs be to allow Rodgers be groomed. What's the point. He doesn't need the paycheck.
As for Green his rushing average has gone from 5.3, to 4.5 to 3.3 (albeit he obviously got injured last year). That obviously has something to do with the line but also hints that he mightn't have it anymore. I see going 6-10 at best

FlutterinBantam

Yeah... what I really meant was that Favre had to tell the Pack he was retiring and was done with football...as long as he was interested I reckon they felt obliged to give him a chance.. and rightly so.

Even in poor form he is better than most NFL QB's..

What about that guy Brady Quinn as the new man... what would that take... a miracle..or a very bad season:D

csk

Been a Packers fan for last couple of years but have not followed this offseason too closely. however glancing through the roster i noticed there was no sign of Javon Walker. was he released or traded? i am no expert but i thought he the best recieving option the Pack had.

Chucky the tree

Gonna be a tough season for you lot i think. 5-11 is how you lads will finish.

Iceman_5000

What about that guy Brady Quinn as the new man...

Thanks for cheering me up! Wont seem as bad if we are 0-10 into the season. Should be an interesting game against the bears on sunday an o-line with more holes than a golf course against a extremely strong D.

FlutterinBantam

csk wrote:

Been a Packers fan for last couple of years but have not followed this offseason too closely. however glancing through the roster i noticed there was no sign of Javon Walker. was he released or traded? i am no expert but i thought he the best recieving option the Pack had.

yes ..he is gone... under a bit of a cloud... not sure where ...Denver I think as a trade..also gone C Flanagan K Longwell..NT Jackson

csk

FlutterinBantam wrote:

yes ..he is gone... under a bit of a cloud... not sure where ...Denver I think as a trade..also gone C Flanagan K Longwell..NT Jackson

it is a pity walker is gone. i hope they at least got a good trade. flanagan will be severly missed.
hopefully woodson will add some much needed class and consistency to CB.
however with a diminishing Favre at the helm i can only see bad things and we'll be lucky to go 8-8

Padwick

I'm a fan also.

I can see something around 5-11 to 7-9. Should be enough to keep McCarthy in a job as expectations are so low. For the first time in recent years, it'll be the defense that wins a few games and has to make up for the offense. They need Woodson to play like he can and they could be a top 7 unit. The offense is awful though, especiall the interior of the line. Green will be running into a wall all season, and he's already hit the wall of his own anyway. Favre is no longer top 15 in the league and the receivers are very thin, although Jennings looks to be a find, even though he won't be a Walker.
McCarthy's appointment was dubious to say the least (I'd have went with Bates or even made an attempt at keeping Sherman as HC only) but I'd have more faith things are going in the right direction with Thompson as GM. Sherman's moves and drafting were atrocious and this team this season is the result of that.

FlutterinBantam

Najeh Davenport picked up by the Steelers... just as a matter of interest what do people think about the new Packers website?

geoff_nfl

so whats the predictions for tonight packers v bears?????? i think 21-14 to the packers.

FlutterinBantam

Oooh ...that would do just grand..... unfortunately cannot see the Pack winning despite being at home.

One way or t'other they need to produce a good display of hardnosed smashmouth football to set things up for the season....

Padwick

17-3 Bears.

FlutterinBantam

Disasterville 0-25.. at home!!!!!

Can it get worse???











Yes it can

Pherekydes

Yes it can: 26-0.

Oops. Bring back Mike Sherman!!

FlutterinBantam

Slow coach wrote:

Yes it can: 26-0.

Oops. Bring back Mike Sherman!!

And Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi and Mike Holmgren and ..and God:mad:

Padwick

Although I believe Chicago will most likely win the NFC, it's just not good enough against your biggest rival at home.

Iceman_5000

Brady Quinn's playing pretty good....

Padwick

We'll find out by midseason if McCarthy is serious about building a team. If they're at 2 or less wins and Favre is still starting then something will be wrong. That goes for any other near-retirement vets like William Henderson.

Iceman_5000 wrote:

Brady Quinn's playing pretty good....

Adrian Peterson looks better to me...

FlutterinBantam

Padwick wrote:

We'll find out by midseason if McCarthy is serious about building a team. If they're at 2 or less wins and Favre is still starting then something will be wrong. That goes for any other near-retirement vets like William Henderson.



Adrian Peterson looks better to me...

yeah... spot on there..... William is recovering from surgery I believe.... aaaalmost ready.

I can't understand why they don't use Bubba Franks in more passing plays.... jaysus 6' 6" 250... He's big enough to make the catches on the concrete.

other teams seem to use the TE a lot more in these situations.... but I'm no expert.

joe_elway

So how're you Packers fans enjoying McCarthy? As a Niners fan (and a Favre fan) my thoughts when I saw him being hired by the Packers were "There's another Mike McCarthy coaching in the NFL?". Look at his great coaching career... Aaron Brooks and Alex Smith in year 1.

I've a funny feeling the Packers will be worse than the Niners were last year.

I was surprised Favre came back at all. I've yet to hear anythign good about Aaron Rodgers since before he was drafted.

At least yee have a got shot at winning the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. He's deffo got real pro potential. He's not just a 1 college year flash in the pan with a big arm.

I wouldn't take an RB in the 1st. It's a waste. QB is risky but you got to take a chance on real potential.

FlutterinBantam

Not lookin good Joe ..but we live in hope.

RedPlanet

I wish they picked up Steve Mariucci when he left the Niners.
Sure the guy is from Upper Michigan grew up a Packer fan and even played for them in his pro career.
At least it'd be easier to stomach a poor season me thinks.

joe_elway

2 or 3 years ago, Sky read my email that proclaimed Mooch to be a camera mugging, idiot. Boy, was I right! I was doing my happy dance when he was kicked out of San Fran. I'd been listening to Niners games live for two seasons and 1 thing shone through for me... he had no confidence in his own passing game when it came to crunch time. He'd decide to run, run, run in the 4th even if we only had a slender lead. Even on 3rd and long, he'd break out a run. We lost several games in his last season due to this.

It was clear he was the same in Detroit, as well as molly-coddling the players including those Michel Irvin pre-madonnas that they drafted in the 1st, three years running. Training camp was way too soft under him. The Niners run defence would suck for the first month in the regular season because they had so little live tackliong practice in camp.

The Packers may be up $^% creek right now with McCarthy but they'd be much worse off with Mooch.

What'll happen next year? If I was a young hopeful coach I'd steer clear of Green Bay. Favre was talking about sticking around for next year too. That's not good. I loved/hated/feared/admired the guy when he was in his prime but he's past it now. I wouldn't want to be the guy who ousts a legend. And what is there to replace him with? Rodgers does not appear to be the answer. The rest of the roster stinks, much like the Niners last year. I'd be fearful that the franchise has regressed to a point where it's unattractive to players now so they will be harder to both attract and keep.

Padwick

The thing is though that McCarthy will get another year (unless he loses the players during the course of the season) even if the record is horrific because Thompson knows he hasn't given him much to play with this season. Whereas the Ray Rhodes team had higher expectations and stumbled to .500. Even though the current talent level on the roster is lower than in the Sherman days, I still believe the team are paying for Sherman's mistakes and I like where Thomson is going with the team more for the future.
I'd still have hired Jim Bates though.

HeadOfTheManor

we cant take Brady Quinn, we have too much money invested in Aaron Rogers....what we need to do is exactly what the Jets did this year, draft an offensive line, that way we can protect whatever guy we have under centre

FlutterinBantam

Whoah ho... 34-27 defeat by the Saints at home..... Coulda won... shoulda won... shoulda rammed it down their throats in the first qtr and put the game outa sight..... Waaaaaaaah

joe_elway

Anyone know how many snaps Aaron Rodgers has had in regular season? Is is a restricted FA next Feb? If so, what are they going to judge him on? The Packers may consider what they have invested to be a lot now but mid-low 1st round money is nothing compared to what they will have to pay next Feb to keep him while he remains "Mr. Potential".

Boomer23

thats true but we still need an offensive line first, and you dont have to Draft someone to become QB, most are not ready the first year, just look at Leinert!

i would prefer to go down the road of the Saints and Dolphins in looking for a decent free agant QB, that way after drafting an offensive line we can protect him, and maybe get a running game going

joe_elway

Boomer23 wrote:

i would prefer to go down the road of the Saints and Dolphins in looking for a decent free agant QB, that way after drafting an offensive line we can protect him, and maybe get a running game going

Can understand that but here's my thinking. I can only see one quality backup QB out there who I'd consider (that kid in Atlanta at #2 QB). And I'm sure the Raiders and Dolphins are second guessing the FA starting QB pickups right now. Don't get me started on the Titans either :eek:

I would not wait until I have a stable team to draft a young QB. By the time the QB is up to NFL speed you'd have lost half the team to free agency.

I'd consider the draft and sit the draftee for 2 years. In those 2 years he'd be learning from a decent veteran, probably not a pro-bowler but someone who knows the ropes and is willing to teach, e.g. a Trent Dilfer type. In those two years, I'd draft O linemen, CB's and DE's with high picks. I'd also have the young QB in class every day of the off-season. This works wonders with a QB ... see the difference between Jeff Garcia when he first replaced Steve Young versus his second year. The big improvement is only seen after year two when they've had a full off season with the team. I'd pay bonuses to WR's and TE's to be around the campus in the off season to work on timing (look at the timing/relationship the Cinci and Indy QB's have). Then in year 3 ... that QB in on the field. Some QB's you can accelerate, sure. The ones who played in pro offenses in college against top competion can play earlier but anyone else sits for me.

FlutterinBantam

"24-21 Packers...early in the third.... Pack as usual giving up the big pass plays.... ... could be a slugfest.....

Boomer23

joe_elway wrote:

Can understand that but here's my thinking. I can only see one quality backup QB out there who I'd consider (that kid in Atlanta at #2 QB).

yeah, i like Matt Shaub as well, but there a lot of people looking at him this off-season....only reason he didnt go was the question marks surrounding Michael Vicks future as a starter. with the way Vick has started i can see Shaub going at the end of this season, and hopefully to the Packers, i see him as the best hybrid QB in the league (can scramble but can pocket pass as well)

joe_elway wrote:

And I'm sure the Raiders and Dolphins are second guessing the FA starting QB pickups right now

yeah, Raiders, Dolphins and Ravens....but look at what they took....running QB's. They dont last more then 5-6 years, look at Young and Garcia, a few amazing seasons, then injury, then crap.....running QB's, by nature, get injured by putting themselves in harms way so longevity is a no-no, so after an injury taking them is bound to fail................New Orleans saw this and took an injured Brees over everyone else

FlutterinBantam

Woooo 31-24 Pack... ugly ..but wel'l take it:D

geoff_nfl

hey a wins a win!!!!!!! did anyone get to watch the match??????? i could only see some highlights which were of mostly the lions!!!!!

joe_elway

Boomer23 wrote:

yeah, i like Matt Shaub as well, but there a lot of people looking at him this off-season....only reason he didnt go was the question marks surrounding Michael Vicks future as a starter. with the way Vick has started i can see Shaub going at the end of this season, and hopefully to the Packers, i see him as the best hybrid QB in the league (can scramble but can pocket pass as well)



.... look at Young .... a few amazing seasons, then injury, then crap

Steve Young was pretty old when he had to reture. He'd way too many years making more money than most starters while he warmed the bench. Concussions really wrecked him... though the really bad one resulted by a complete whiff-block in pass-protection by Lawrence Phillips.

Matt Schaub is going to get really rich next Spring. He's scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent.

Boomer23

joe_elway wrote:

Concussions really wrecked him

yeah, he had way too many, became dangerous, but it was only because of the type of QB he was, Manning will never have a problem with concussions because he is a pocket passer, only running QB's get hurt that bad on a regulat basis. its dangerous being a RB and and QB at once.

and the only reason he went on so long was his name, The Great Young, why else is Garcia a backup in Phillly, his "name" as the west coast master......we all saw how good he was last season in Detroit.

i do agree with Shaub though, gonna be a very rich boy

joe_elway

Re Steve Young

Boomer23 wrote:

yeah, he had way too many, became dangerous, but it was only because of the type of QB he was, Manning will never have a problem with concussions because he is a pocket passer

I agree Manning may never have the same concussion problem. I disagree about the reason, though. Young didn't run as much in the 90's as he did when he was younger. Did he run? Yes. A modern NFL QB has to be able to run to be effective. Concussions generally came because he was getting sacked and hit behind the line. Part of the problem was the old mangement regime refused to draft O Linement before the 4th round so it became swiss cheese.

But the real difference between Young and Manning is Young wanted to win. Young would hold onto that ball to make a pass. He put himself at more risk of taking head shots. Manning is a regular season player. He and his brother are no better than their Dad. He may put up huge numbers but he collapses mentally when it counts.

I don't buy the argument that runing QB's are more prone to concussions. I think it's the opposite. If you're in the pocket you are prone and not able to move/protect yourself when things collapse. If you hook-slide your head is left wide open, e.g. Trent Green. If you run and protect yourself you are less likely to take concussions. I am against taking it too far, e.g. a younger Steve Young or Mike Vick. That's just asking to be taken apart and a quality oppostion can scheme that out of your gameplan to hurt you.

Evidence? How many running backs retire because of concussions? Much lower % than QB's. Who gets hit more? RB's. Is a RB's skull/brain constructed differently? I hope not. Do RB's have higher quality helmets? No. RB's run aggresivle but protect themselves. QB's should be taught to so the same.

spooiirt!!

Have to agree with Joe elway here. If a QB scrambles he generally slides or goes out of bounds before the tackle. Of course Elways helicopter comes to mind, but thats more the exception than the rule.

FlutterinBantam

Hesu... Another bad beating in Philly last night... no touchdown scored....St Louis in Lambeau next week.... 1-4... lookin likely:(

Pherekydes

FlutterinBantam wrote:

Hesu... Another bad beating in Philly last night... no touchdown scored....St Louis in Lambeau next week.... 1-4...

Detroit scored 34 against the Rams, away, so Favre is gonna have a field day. 2-3.

FlutterinBantam

Coach I wish I could believe you...

Packers are rudderless.....only Aaron Kampmann seems to be the only one to show a bit of spunk.... Remember #36 Leroy Butler..#52Frankie Winters.... #25Dorsey Levens...#93Gilbert Brown...Reggie White and Sean Jones...two best ends ever for the Pack.. Santana Dotson...#73?

Anyway I take solace in the fact you believe the Pack will roll over the Rams

Il'l have a fcukin beer if you are right