IPC Hand - Whats the opinion?

Poker & Pints

So My hand got some print time in lenny's blog...so since I am still smarting from my exit on this hand I figure I'll get some opinions.

two tables left and I pick up 88 in MP with blinds 8k/15k 3000ante, I have 120K in front of me. I have played very tight up until this point except for one push when I was very short stacked. So I decide to raise, I contemplate an AI, but decide that I can make my 88 look stronger if I make a strong raise. So I make it 60K to go, leaving me with 60K. Fold to the SB who calls, waht seemed rather reluctantly. We are both about the same in chips. The guy has played any A for most of the night. So I read is semi-reluctant call as A8,A9,A10 maybe suited, but really not much more. I figure AJ, AQ, AK or another pair comes back over the top at this stage...What good does it do to call half your stack if you might have to lay down post flop? Well, flop cam KKJ, he checked and as I didn't put him on the K I figured the only way I could win was to bet the rest of my stack....he turned AK over and thats the end of my run(out in 16th).

Should I have pushed allin preflop? Limp with the 88 maybe, then I could get away from them post flop? Should I check the flop? and lay down to a bet?

What I should have done is push with my 810spades when on the button and I would have tripled through Eoin and a Tyrone player by hitting a flush.

brianmc

Are those stack sizes and bet sizes correct?

If so, I wouldn't see a raise to 60K as a strong raise - it's a min bet. Also, I wouldn't be able to see any other move other than push or fold. You have 4BBs and there's an ante to contend with as well.

El Stuntman

Poker & Pints wrote:

So My hand got some print time in lenny's blog...so since I am still smarting from my exit on this hand I figure I'll get some opinions.

two tables left and I pick up 88 in MP with blinds 15k/30k 3000ante, I have 120K in front of me. I have played very tight up until this point except for one push when I was very short stacked. So I decide to raise, I contemplate an AI, but decide that I can make my 88 look stronger if I make a strong raise. So I make it 60K to go, leaving me with 60K. Fold to the SB who calls, waht seemed rather reluctantly. We are both about the same in chips. The guy has played any A for most of the night. So I read is semi-reluctant call as A8,A9,A10 maybe suited, but really not much more. I figure AJ, AQ, AK or another pair comes back over the top at this stage...What good does it do to call half your stack if you might have to lay down post flop? Well, flop cam KKJ, he checked and as I didn't put him on the K I figured the only way I could win was to bet the rest of my stack....he turned AK over and thats the end of my run(out in 16th).

Should I have pushed allin preflop? Limp with the 88 maybe, then I could get away from them post flop? Should I check the flop? and lay down to a bet?

What I should have done is push with my 810spades when on the button and I would have tripled through Eoin and a Tyrone player by hitting a flush.

with 4BB left I would be getting it in like Flynn (Beverley, not Padraig) in this spot

pre-flop

Poker & Pints

brianmc wrote:

Are those stack sizes and bet sizes correct?

If so, I wouldn't see a raise to 60K as a strong raise - it's a min bet. Also, I wouldn't be able to see any other move other than push or fold. You have 4BBs and there's an ante to contend with as well.

Edited sorry, 8/15 blinds.

Hitman Actual

Hey man, didn't realise you were a Boardster, sorry. HL on 16th.

The hand was kind of tricky, as you were in relatively early position and had a lot of players to get through. But the table was so tight that I think I might have just pushed. I think there's a good chance that the AK would even fold here, he was playing so tight. Plus, every hand had about 35K in pre-flop, so it was always well worth winning.

As it happens though, he obviously got lucky. He played it poorly; he really wants to see all five cards with AK.

brianmc

Poker & Pints wrote:

Edited sorry, 8/15 blinds.

In that case I can see why you were tempted to do what you did, but I'd like to think that I'd push in that spot. Especially with the antes in the pot.

I don't see the logic to holding onto half of your stack preflop. You know it has to go in on the flop. Use it now to steal the blinds and antes.

Poker & Pints

brianmc wrote:

In that case I can see why you were tempted to do what you did, but I'd like to think that I'd push in that spot. Especially with the antes in the pot.

I don't see the logic to holding onto half of your stack preflop. You know it has to go in on the flop. Use it now to steal the blinds and antes.

I thought about it, seriously. I made sure and looked at my hand as soon as I had both cards, so that I could have extra time to think. My thinking here is that someone would think a push as being a steal. This bet actually worked on the Tyrone player to my left as I think he might have been more apt to call an AI than the raise(just a sense). BTW, the guy told me after that he was thinking of folding but decided to call at the last moment. He then said that he would have insta called an AI raise...which I giggled at because I don't quite see the logic. When he called I figured he called preflop with KQ, not AK. I think I would have pushed allin with AK, like was said, so all 5 cards can be seen.

MrPillowTalk

I think its an auto push, your too short to pass pre flop.

If you make it 60 and someone calls yout too short to not put it in on the flop.

Hence you have to push increase your fold equity and if someone calls hope its a race.

As it happens the Kildare man is never folding no matter what you do, you have to race at some stage.

Folding is never an option imo

Mellor

But, even with a push I think he was going to call.
So if you pushed, you were out nd cursing the deck.

Daithio

Mellor wrote:

But, even with a push I think he was going to call.
So if you pushed, you were out nd cursing the deck.

Yeah based on the result of this particular hand it doesn't make a difference, but a push is definitely the better play. You're getting a much bigger range of hands to fold with a push than just a raise. Auto push for me with that much in the middle.

Poker & Pints

Cool..thanks!

So the AI push seems to be the consensus with the stack I had at the time.

Shoulda made the 810s push on Mrpillowtalk so we could have had a lively discussion on my luckbox ability.

padser

Yeah its an auto push for me too. I think sometimes people try to get over tricky. A push is double the amount of chips, (in this case) and in the vast majority of games the bigger the raise the better the chance that people will fold.

5starpool

At this stage of the tournament it was firmly embedded in crapshoot mode for most players and calls were being made with hands far weaker than AK so to be honest with a push (usually) from someone every hand to try and pick up the chips in the centre a lot of hands were calling you one way or another. Best option in this case is to make it as expensive as possible if you are playing at all.

I think I lost my train of thought in the above ramble, but I can't be arsed to delete it, so sorry for wasting precious seconds of your life.

Gholimoli

this is a no brainier auto push.
You don’t have enough to fold this and you certainly don’t have enough to behind to pass post flop.
By not pushing your also leaving your self vulnerable to all sort of pre-flop and post flop plays. Some 1 may figure your raise to be weak and make a play pre flop and come over the top of you with 9T or something. they would never consider calling an all in with 9T but by playing it the way you did your leaving your self open to these kinda plays.