Live action in the Fitz PLHE

spectre

Effective stacks:
SB 600
BB 600
MP 400
Hero 250

Bad player in MP makes it 7 after an EP limper, I make a loose
call with K6c in LP. The blinds both call as well as the EP limper.
The flop is:

2 4 5 two clubs (35)

Checked around to PF Raiser who bets 20, I call. Both blinds call.

The turn is the 7 of clubs giving me the second nuts (115)

Action is checked around to me, I bet 75. The SB raises to 150. The BB
thinks for a about a minute before making what appears to be an
agonising fold. The PF Raiser calls 150!

The small blind is a good player. I'm not too worried about the preflop raiser.

Action on me.

El Stuntman

spectre wrote:

Effective stacks:
SB 600
BB 600
MP 400
Hero 250

Bad player in MP makes it 7 after an EP limper, I make a loose
call with K6c in LP. The blinds both call as well as the EP limper.
The flop is:

2 4 5 two clubs (35)

Checked around to PF Raiser who bets 20, I call. Both blinds call.

The turn is the 7 of clubs giving me the second nuts (115)

Action is checked around to me, I bet 75. The SB raises to 150. The BB
thinks for a about a minute before making what appears to be an
agonising fold. The PF Raiser calls 150!

The small blind is a good player. I'm not too worried about the preflop raiser.

Action on me.

you got what you wanted

push

Gholimoli

Betting the flop is certainly an option here and I would prob bet the flop here.
By not betting the flop and calling bets on that board your pretty much screaming your drawing and its hard to get paid of good players when you hit.
If you bet the flop you’re building the pot if you hit and your also somewhat disguising your hand.
As played I think I go to the felt with this hand with the amount already in the pot and the amount I have behind me. any one of them could have a str or a lone A of clubs so shove it all in there.

eoghan104

knowing this game i wouldnt waste much time in getting my chips in here. id guess you were against the straight and an overpair.............. get them in!

El Stuntman

ah just read your blog...

ul Spectre

most of the time you are way ahead here

spectre

Gholimoli wrote:

Betting the flop is certainly an option here and I would prob bet the flop here.

I have position. I called a flop bet. Are you suggesting raising the flop bet? At the time, I considered raising, but I know that my fold equity is round about zero against this bettor, so decide to flat call. Generally I raise with a decent draw + when I have FE. Is my thinking flawed here?

spectre

El Stuntman wrote:

most of the time you are way ahead here

The small blind is a good solid player. Does he ever check-minraise with the Queen-high flush or less here?

Gholimoli

spectre wrote:

I have position. I called a flop bet. Are you suggesting raising the flop bet? At the time, I considered raising, but I know that my fold equity is round about zero against this bettor, so decide to flat call. Generally I raise with a decent draw + when I have FE. Is my thinking flawed here?

No your thinking is not flawed here.
But the raiser cant really like that board. He will make a stab at it because the hand is checked to him but that is a scary board and one, which you can manoeuvre on in position. as I said your making it expensive for ppl behind you to call with a draw so they will have to fold or pay too much for a draw which is both good for you.
Also its not that bad if you the raiser doesn’t fold .you have outs here and there are two more betting rounds with you having position .if raiser has an over pair he is going to have a really hard time playing it on the turn with another rag there when you have reraised his bet.
Also again by just calling bets your telling ppl exactly what you have which will allow them to play better against you. But if you raise your disguising your hand really here which give you a chance of getting paid if you hit and some chance of taking the pot down if you don’t hit.
Its very important to disguise your hand and some times raising with your draws in these spots will allow you to do that.

Lafortezza

spectre wrote:

Action is checked around to me, I bet 75.

"I might have a straight or a flush or anything really"

The SB raises to 150.

"I definitely have at least a straight, maybe a flush."

The BB thinks for a about a minute before making what appears to be an
agonising fold.

"Goddamn straight no good here "

The PF Raiser calls 150!

"I have the Ace of clubs, w00t!"

Action on me.

"I'll dwell up for a bit and then push, heh"

ianmc38

K6s for a raise is a meh.

I call or raise the flop and go broke on the turn to most players if they have the nut flush.

spectre

Well, I jammed it and sure enough, the small blind had the nut flush. I still don't think it's as clear-cut a decision as the rest of you believe, but I think in general, unless you have a very good read, this hand is almost impossible to lay down.

RoundTower

god they could easily both have 2 pair or a 6 and a T high flush draw or any kind of ****e, this would be a terrible fold. Especially if the SB really is a "good player" he shouldn't make this move with only the nut flush here.