Another IPC hand. I hate Queens sometimes

NickyOD

About half way through Day 1 of the IPC. Rob, HectorJelly, and NTlBlell all at my table.

I'd imagine my table image is very tight, but not the tightest at the table. Everyone at the table probably knows I am capable of loosening up but at the momemt I'm playing tighter than I normally would.

Blinds are 100-200 and I make it 650 from UTG with QQ. At the start of the hand I have 10.5K.

Folded around to a Sligo player in the SB who has been very active and I've been doing my best to try and get under his skin but, to be fair I don't think he ever really got out of line (atleast no one caught him) and the deck had been really good to him.

As he looks at his hand he says "oh ****" and calls. I immediately think this must mean has TT/JJ.

The flop comes T-X-X (ten high) and he bet out just 500. I call. Turn is another brick. Now he bets 3000.

Does anyone like folding the turn here? What about raising the flop?

cardshark202

NickyOD wrote:

Does anyone like folding the turn here? What about raising the flop?

No but i like calling the turn with a view to getting it in on a blank river.

Flushdraw

NickyOD wrote:

About half way through Day 1 of the IPC. Rob, HectorJelly, and NTlBlell all at my table.

I'd imagine my table image is very tight, but not the tightest at the table. Everyone at the table probably knows I am capable of loosening up but at the momemt I'm playing tighter than I normally would.

Blinds are 100-200 and I make it 650 from UTG with QQ. At the start of the hand I have 10.5K.

Folded around to a Sligo player in the SB who has been very active and I've been doing my best to try and get under his skin but, to be fair I don't think he ever really got out of line (atleast no one caught him) and the deck had been really good to him.

As he looks at his hand he says "oh ****" and calls. I immediately think this must mean has TT/JJ.

The flop comes T-X-X (ten high) and he bet out just 500. I call. Turn is another brick. Now he bets 3000.

Does anyone like folding the turn here? What about raising the flop?

I reckon " oh **** " is more an AK than a TT. reraise the flop and you take it down 9 times out of 10. he has to respect u as u raised UTG. If he reraises u on the flop, re-evaluate but for me, dont let him catch his A or K. take it down now

Mellor

Is A-10 unlikely here? Or maybe he fancies his JJ as its over the board.

NickyOD

cardshark202 wrote:

No but i like calling the turn with a view to getting it in on a blank river.

So if I call and the river is a 2 I should autmoatically get all my money in if he puts me al in?

tacker

Make it 2000 on the flop and see what he does.

cardshark202

NickyOD wrote:

So if I call and the river is a 2 I should autmoatically get all my money in if he puts me al in?

Yes.

Hectorjelly

this hand has a surprise ending

opr

I think we should re-raise on the flop. By calling we have no idea were we are at.

As played i am not so sure about getting it all in here I mean he only bets 500 on the flop ...... looks like he is begging for a call then when you call he is happy to fire a bigger shot with the second barrel.

Opr

fuzzbox

I call him down.

NickyOD

I called. The river was a 2 and I folded for 4K. Ntlbell told me he flashed him Tens.

I'd be interested to know if HJ, Rob or Brian thought I misplayed my hand.

connie147

NickyOD wrote:

I called. The river was a 2 and I folded for 4K. Ntlbell told me he flashed him Tens.

I'd be interested to know if HJ, Rob or Brian thought I misplayed my hand.

Just wondering Nicky,if you called the turn bet was it only to hit a queen on the river? If I call this turn then I'm definately calling the river bet when a 2 comes.

ianmc38

I believe the hand was T8 or so I'm reliably informed.

opr

NickyOD wrote:

I called. The river was a 2 and I folded for 4K. Ntlbell told me he flashed him Tens.

I'd be interested to know if HJ, Rob or Brian thought I misplayed my hand.

Why call the turn if you have no intention of calling a river bet even when a blank comes ?

Opr

Hectorjelly

After the hand was over nicky showed his queens, the bald guy then tried to muck his cards but flipped them over, only one could be clearly seen and it was a ten. Im pretty sure the other was an eight or a jack, it didnt look like a ten. The only reason I could see this was because I was at the other end of the table, I think Rob saw it as well. The guy really didnt want to show his cards and it seemed pretty clear to me he didnt have a house - Either the turn or the river paired the board so even if he had flopped two pair QQ would of won.

This guy had a huge chip stack and was clearly playing very aggressively and badly so i personally thought the river fold was bad. I thought you played it very well up to that point.

NickyOD

So why did Brian say he had Tens? Did anyone actually see the other card? I'm amazed he had anything like that From his reaction preflop.

poorbarman

gotta call the river with the 2.otherwise why call the 2000 on the turn?

mdwexford

12500 in the pot and its costing you 4000 to call, you've commited close to half your stack already
if you thought you were ahead after the turn why did you all of a sudden not feel confident enough to call a bet on the river. you cant call the turn bet and pass on the river imo

NickyOD

I know it seems silly to call the turn and not the river. If this is online I'm not folding. I had him on one of 2 hands from the beginning so when I called the flop bet my plan was to also call a turn bet very quickly. I figured that if he has Jacks he slows down and Tens gets pretty excited. By the river I felt I had to be behind. I never thought for a second he might have that kind of garbage. I'm pretty sure no one caught him at all day. I knew he was a gambler but I didn't think he was stupid. I didn't think it was possible for him to play a hand like that against me, with my table image after a UTG raise. his reaction to his hand preflop also suiggested to me that he must have had something decent, why whould he look at T8 after a tight player has raised and immediately go "oh ****" Perhaps the fact that I was part of a team effected my decision on the river but I just felt he had me beat with TT. NTlbell was sitting on his right between him and the dealer and would have gotten the best view of his cards. He told me it was two tens. Maybe that was just to make me feel better. I wish I'd raised the flop.

Hectorjelly

The guy was playing far more than his fair share of hands. He called shortstacks raises a few times and put them all in out of position. I think putting this guy on tens considering the way he was playing is crazy, and thats not just because I saw his cards. If he happened to have TT here I would still think its a dubious fold, the way the hand played out you induced a bluff, and a player like that once he starts betting will keep going without any thought, ie he could well have JT and have no idea if he was bluffing or value betting.

The range you afforded him is insane, and probably led to the fold. Putting someone on such a small range based on a feeling (and no real information) is going to lead to mistakes. Also you are giving him far too much credit. 99% of the people who you play poker are at a much lower level than you are. I would bet a large amount of money that he had no idea what position you raised from or paticularly cared.

On a last point, you played the hand the way a good player would have an overpair with a club. (maybe even without). You also played the hand the way a bad player would play the lone ace of clubs. Do you think this guy can tell the difference? Im pretty sure I couldnt if I didnt know who you were.

Hectorjelly

NickyOD wrote:

So why did Brian say he had Tens? Did anyone actually see the other card? I'm amazed he had anything like that From his reaction preflop.

Im pretty sure he didnt actually show brian his cards, if he did I would of asked to see them myself. (Its possible this happened without me noticing). But when he mucked this was a bit of confusion, one ten was seen and the other card was tilted up so that it could be seen by our end of the table but not the other.

Norwich Fan Rob

im spoke to brian about this at the break, and im pretty sure the sligo dude had T9.
he was in a lot of pots, and i gave him credit for big hands early on also, i think he did have a few, and he showed aces once.
he min raised a few times, and showed later in the day, hes not afraid to bluff.
he ended up donking off his massive stack early on day 2.
i think because he had been in so many hands, i mightnt have given him credit here, i didnt think u were as strong as queens watching the hand until i saw u fold them.

another hand he played earlier he min raised in late pos, flop come QQx, he bets 3k and gets called, turn a blank, check, check, river an ace, he bets 12k, i reckon he had AA in that hand, hate the min raise into about 3 players from late pos.

ntlbell

That was the min raise on the button we were talking about not this hand Rob.

Basaically anytime I wasn't involved in a hand the guy was constantly picking up his cards and looking at them and he would flick them towards me I'm not sure if he was doing this on purpose or he didn't realise I could see them.

He was holding TT

Norwich Fan Rob

was he, i was sure i heard it was T9, maybe thats what daragh said.

so good fold then, perhaps the first idea that he was a total rack for the first few hours was correct.

i know the "AA" hand was a diff hand, was just pointing out that he "seemed" to have a lot of monsters early on.

I guess he was just a rack then, and its easy enough to play top set, no matter how good you are.

Everything i bet into him, he raised, he was bugging me a bit.

However, he donated it all away in about an hour on day 2, so i guess he just got lucky on day 1.

ntlbell

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

was he, i was sure i heard it was T9, maybe thats what daragh said.

so good fold then, perhaps the first idea that he was a total rack for the first few hours was correct.

i know the "AA" hand was a diff hand, was just pointing out that he "seemed" to have a lot of monsters early on.

I guess he was just a rack then, and its easy enough to play top set, no matter how good you are.

Everything i bet into him, he raised, he was bugging me a bit.

However, he donated it all away in about an hour on day 2, so i guess he just got lucky on day 1.

Rack I'd say all right..I make it 600 to go at 100/200 with JTh in LP he makes it 4k and then shows AA sigh...he was bugging me too!