Hit me with your Rythm stick

fuzzbox

I've only been here a short time. Never played with villain before, so dont have a lot of hands. I have played pretty tight since I sat down, and havent shown down a hand yet.

What line do you like here?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($1043.50)
Button ($1550.30)
SB ($1324)
BB ($2130.75)
UTG ($2336.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, J. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, Hero raises to $35, 2 folds, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($75) 5, J, Q(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, BB raises to $188

pok3rplaya

Push so we look like a draw. Call, bet turn is ok aswell but it's too much of a standard set line at 1000NL I would imagine.

padraig_f

I'd normally interpret that OOP small raise to be a feeler raise with a hand like top-pair/2nd pair, I don't think it's a draw too often. However I think you have to play it fast, there are too many cards that if they don't hit him are going to kill the action.

I would repop it to about $450. I don't think he's ever going to call a push with just a pair but a smaller raise might get him to call once with a hand that's drawing very thin like JT, KQ.

pok3rplaya

IMO a smaller raise looks scarier to him then a push would. Any hand that would call a reraise to 450 would call a push.

CoD

some sort of open ended straight draw, with the flushdraw

KTs or similar

padraig_f

pok3rplaya wrote:

IMO a smaller raise looks scarier to him then a push would. Any hand that would call a reraise to 450 would call a push.

The problem is when you push all-in on the flop he just can't call with one pair. Even if he suspects you're on a draw, he has to dodge 12-15 outs twice the times that he's correct, and he's drawing near-dead when he's wrong.

Any bigger hands/big draws and the money probably ends up in the middle either way. I think need to you play the hand to maximise your value against a single-pair/bluff and the only chance you have of doing this is with a smaller raise.

fuzzbox

padraig_f wrote:

The problem is when you push all-in on the flop he just can't call with one pair. Even if he suspects you're on a draw, he has to dodge 12-15 outs twice the times that he's correct, and he's drawing near-dead when he's wrong.

Any bigger hands/big draws and the money probably ends up in the middle either way. I think need to you play the hand to maximise your value against a single-pair/bluff and the only chance you have of doing this is with a smaller raise.

If I'm trying to get action from one-pair hands, then surely call is superior to raise????

Ste05

This is a very difficult situation against an unknown IMO. The Villain's C/R is a very good bet as it puts our stack at risk without really risking any more of his own unless he has us beaten now (if we push and he has a set) or allows him to draw cheaply (as we'll probably be afraid to bet the turn if we call and are checked to again).

On balance I think I prefer a call and see what happens on the turn. I can see him doing this move with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 55, KJ, 910, Axs (I doubt he'd do it with AQ or AJ).

On balance I think the only hands that will call a push are 55, JJ and QQ. So I can control the size of the pot and see what happens on the turn and River... I'll probably still bet the turn if a brick falls and I'm checked to...

But I'm in a quandry with this hand (as I'm not a fan of vulnerable 2 pair hands against an unknown).

And having said all that the above might be over estimating the average 5/10 player, but my thoughts for what they're worth.

cardshark202

Make it 450 and push turn. Of course any line that involves us re-raising the flop involves the inevitable going broke vs a set, but calling the flop may lose a lot of value if any spade or straightening card hits the turn.

pok3rplaya

Same kinda hand

cardshark202

pok3rplaya wrote:

Same kinda hand

Not really due to the shallowness of the button's stack in that hand. In this hand, a shove is a large over-raise, whereas in the other, its now.

fuzzbox

Results: I shoved and he folded.

I really wanted to call and get it in when he bet the turn, but QJx twotone is such a draw heavy board