The 'Scraggy' Thread

kshiel

:eek: The curse of scraggy?

6th

Afraid I'm going to have to leave my report til monday when i'm back in work .... thats where i get most of my free time

Anyway just to let some know, i've been "aware" of Scraggy a couple of times since Ross.

stormkeeper

6th wrote:

Anyway just to let some know, i've been "aware" of Scraggy a couple of times since Ross.

Not that you need to be told this, but I'd be careful all the same.

kshiel

6th wrote:

Anyway just to let some know, i've been "aware" of Scraggy a couple of times since Ross.

I am sure you will let us know in your report. But in what way are you aware of scraggy. I got a chill when I read it.

stormkeeper

kshiel wrote:

I am sure you will let us know in your report. But in what way are you aware of scraggy. I got a chill when I read it.

I remember thinking about Scraggy when I was hanging up the washing (yes, I'm domesticated!), though I don't recall details... I think I was a little cautious about them though.

kshiel

Kennett wrote:

I remember thinking about Scraggy when I was hanging up the washing (yes, I'm domesticated!), though I don't recall details... I think I was a little cautious about them though.

I have been mulling over some details myself. I have to admit I would be cautious myself. Looking forward to hereing what 6th has to say on this subject. Dont want to say to much until I hear what his report states.

Pink Bunny

Have any of you noticed that certain entities (I won't use the term ghost because that's not what I think you are dealing with in this case) seem to gather strength or energy from you the more attention and thought you give them?
I may be wrong, I'm hardly an expert on these things, it's just what I believe from my own experience.

kshiel

Pink Bunny wrote:

Have any of you noticed that certain entities (I won't use the term ghost because that's not what I think you are dealing with in this case) seem to gather strength or energy from you the more attention and thought you give them?
I may be wrong, I'm hardly an expert on these things, it's just what I believe from my own experience.

I am no expert either but I dont think you are far off the mark.

Zillah

Its hard to say what makes an expert but I'd be suprised if it didn't seem like things got more active by paying more attention to them...even if nothing paranormal is going on at all.

6th

I'll do my Scraggy post soon.

Zillah

I'm very interested in this scraggy thing. Its certainly a unique element, not your average ghost report. I'll watch the video later 6th when I'm home.

6th

ok so on to Scraggy then, I almost feel weird posting about it coz it is so different to anything i've ever experienced before.

Anyway,

After a while laying on the bed i became aware of a presence on the arched ceiling above me and was a bit scared as it felt very "different" and so begins the story of Scraggy......

As soon as i became aware of it i felt an intensity that it became aware of me. I say "it" because i am still unsure as to weather it was male or female or if that even matters. When i get "something" i tend not to look directly at it, it helps me to concentrate like when you have a bit of a tune in your head and you dont know what it is and dont want to lose it.

The shape/figure as i knew it begane to move across the ceiling following the arch and over to a small area with a kettle just beside kennett. I had told the others in the room at this stage what i was aware of. Slowly it moved closer to me and was giggling a bit. i'm not 100% sure it was actually giggling or making me feel it was, i just know it "felt" playfully for want of a better word.

it seemed to moved in a way i wasnt used to for an entity in that it didnt rely on the need for floors walls etc. Obviously i know that spirits (taking that they exist) are not limited to the physical boundries we are but this seemed to be very aware that it had no rules to follow. I discribed it as being very confident in itself and almost intimidating. It was like someone who's really good at their job and knows it - Scraggy knows its sh*t! It moved closer again and was about 4ft from me, its form (losely based on a figure but without detail and had a looseness to it) suspended in the air. At this stage i heard a definate giggle type laugh right in my ears but was intridgued and the more time i spent there the less it bothered me.

It moved back and up over Ed, who i asked if he was feeling anyhting - cant remember what he said, i was just looking at it huddled up in the top corner of the room.

The next thing i know its face was over mine (but its forehead to my chin - 69 style ) about 1ft away, meanings its "body" would have been in the wall. It kept looking at me and smiling and then turnings its head and looking at Stoner and smiling more.

The guys asked me to ask it to do something, i felt it almost wasnt right and that it would be an insult but by my own choice i asked anyway. It backed away, tilted its head and faded as it went out the wall above my head. I felt scraggy was still around but outside the castle at the same level (about 20ft off the ground) watching us.

After a while i sat up and we (the guys in the room) had a chat about it. I was discribing the laugh/giggle to Ed and made the noise, i almost felt like it wasnt me doing it and ed wil telling you how freaky i sounded doing it - though i aint thinking possesion there, just "influence". During our chat I heard a noise from behind me near a window and ed said "did you hear that?" the noise was like "hheeerrrreee", it came from teh window area in the corner of the room and it was caught on Stoners audio recorder and i think everyone listened to it and heard it, though mega-unfortuately the recoding is gone.

Stoner then told me that what i had discribed was very similar to something kim had talked about in the room below earlier when i wasnt there though we both had different feelings about it (kim can fill that in ).

I was abit taken back by this as all my experiences in the past had been "people" based and this was completely different, though i believe scraggy is a "person" i feel its been been round long enough and really knows what its limitations are/arent.

I have always dismissed the idea of elementals and the likes as people believe they are just natural energies which have taken on a personality almost. Scraggy is the most unique entity i have ever come across and probably ever will. I dont think scraggy has anything to do with the castle or the area but feel that its interested in the "spiritual traffic" in the area (as mentioned in the back bedroom), a spiritual trainspotter if you like.

The idea of male and female and good and evil seem irrelivant to it and i dont believe its "bad". The next morning i felt it again as i was gewtting into Grimes car, i felt it up at the top of the tower but was afraid to turn around and look, i dont know if i was more afraid it wouldnt be there than if it was there.

As i said i think i've experienced scraggy since i've been back. Once in a doorway as i walked passed i felt it looking at me and no one was there (it has a "feel" i wont forget) and the second time i heard it say "tempting, tempting" in my ear as i was walking along. Freaky i know but it doesnt bother me too much as i really dont think i'll come to any harm. I have done a cleansing on myself and as always my home is 100% out of bounds to this stuff.

I've chopped and changed this post so many times trying to get it to make sense so hopefully it does.

6th

As i said Stoner had the recording of what we believe was scragy saying "hheeerrreee", which all of us heard but the recording is gone.

As for my audio, i'm trying to figure out how to use the programme audacity so i can look over it properly.

littlebug

All this talk of scraggy reminds me of the gravelings from "Dead Like Me". They can climb the walls and ceilings, hanging around until they can catch some souls...


scary....

6th

I loved that show. Anyway Scraggy is just a curious sort i think.

btw i know how crazy the whole scraggy thing sounds and i cant help feeling a little weird about it. I've experienced alot but this is the first thing to really bend my brain.

tk123

littlebug wrote:

All this talk of scraggy reminds me of the gravelings from "Dead Like Me". They can climb the walls and ceilings, hanging around until they can catch some souls...


scary....

Yeah thats exactly how I picture it too. I'm kicking myself that I missed the trip but on the other hand I probably would have run screaming into the grounds!!:D

6th

Scraggy reminded my slightly of the "special" guy in "The Village", the giddiness and the scraggy hair but was very intelligent and confident.

6th

Not scary looking like this but a similar mix of this

and this:

kshiel

6th wrote:

Not scary looking like this but a similar mix of this

and this:

Take the top guys hands and feet and place the second pictures hair completely over her face and it would be pretty damn close to what I saw.

6th

Yeah, i've tried to draw it but to be honest i get very distracted when i think about scraggy. I also feel that my interaction with it has affected any other sensitivity i might have - not that i can explain that any better.

Pink Bunny

6th wrote:

It was a good experiment but we're grasping lads. Lets pop it down as a no and try again next time.

How did I miss that there was an experiment going on? That's a cool idea and I'm glad an item was picked that was non castle related, makes it more impressive if someone does "see" it.

Yeah, i've tried to draw it but to be honest i get very distracted when i think about scraggy. I also feel that my interaction with it has affected any other sensitivity i might have - not that i can explain that any better

6th, can I offer a bit of unasked for advice? I mean, take it or leave it as you want. It's just that I have a bad feeling about this scraggy business and think that it might be better to clear it from your mind altogether. Even "naming" it introduces another dimension to it. I can't explain what I mean really, it just goes back to that observation earlier about entities gaining power through attention. Someone posted earlier about it wanting an "invitation", didn't they? An invitation can be interpreted as many things depending on the need. And you've feel it since returning correct? Perhaps it's time to direct it back from whence it came?

6th

Pink Bunny wrote:

6th, can I offer a bit of unasked for advice? I mean, take it or leave it as you want. It's just that I have a bad feeling about this scraggy business and think that it might be better to clear it from your mind altogether. Even "naming" it introduces another dimension to it. I can't explain what I mean really, it just goes back to that observation earlier about entities gaining power through attention. Someone posted earlier about it wanting an "invitation", didn't they? An invitation can be interpreted as many things depending on the need. And you've feel it since returning correct? Perhaps it's time to direct it back from whence it came?

I get what you are saying and maybe it is best but like i said i didnt get the feeling it was a "bad/evil" thing. But i suppose its like having a stray dog around, you never know if it will turn or not. I might head of somewhere and see if i can interact with it again and see whats up, it simply may be looking for help of some sort.

Pink Bunny

kshiel wrote:

This is the most strange and most distrubing part for me. I was outside onto what I would call a patio to have a smoke. I was on my own on this occasion. I saw a movement and got a strong metal image of a thing almost animal (in human form) crawling on the side of what would be a bedroom window. It looked around at me and scurried back and then scurried back towards me. I dont mind saying completly felt fear of this. The mental image was what I can only describe as the the girl out of the film "The Ring" Hair over the face. Very scraggy looking. Hence christened by 6th later as scraggy. I got the impression or feeling that this enity (I thought maybe female) was extremely interested in what we were doing inside the castle. That it was of negative feel and could easliy trick you. to me it was someone or something that would and wanted to play on your fears. All it needed was an invite. It wanted a challenge. It was very intelligent in all aspects, it was very well clued in. It did not need a floor to walk on. It moved fast and like a spider would. It could climb and manipulate its body into what ever position it wished. I felt it followed us where ever we went in the castle peering through the windows wanting in. Needless to say Scraggy was not getting an invite from me.

At one stage of the night in the last bedroom of the extension. I got a Mental Message from scraggy "Tell Them I Want to Play" but I have to honestly admit by this stage this could have and probally was my own fear taking over what I was feeling and sencing. I did not feel the presence of scraggy leave altough weaker until we left the castle grounds the following day.

I have only one regret and that is that I allowed my fear to overtake a situation and that I had not got the balls to try and make some sort of contact with scraggy.

Maybe it was this post that gives me the warning but I don't think you are dealing with something nice and I don't think it's looking for your help. It want's to play with you.
That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to act like I know more than I do because I don't. I'm just an observer. But all I do know for certain is that our gut reactions are always right, and if there was a sense of fear of this entity there is a reason for it.

Stoner

maybe the bunny has a point 6th, after all the bunny has been around here since November 2003 and has only said 276 things. Maybe the bunny only talks when the bunny has something decent to say, that's a maybe as i never checked any other posts, but knowing little about this type of thing but having been in the castle when Scraggy had some people freaked it did not seem like a nice "thing".
Has this happened to you before? Anyway Bunny if you think naming Scraggy is bad, you should hear 6th do the voice. If we continue at this rate we could have a scraggy puppet and a Christmas song with Dustin.

stevenmu

I can confirm that Pink Bunny's other posts are indeed worth listening to (apart from the one's on other forums of course ), and this one sounds like it's worth a listen too. Wasn't there actually a horror film at some point with the same idea, that giving an entity a name gives it power over you ? Of course you can't believe everything you see in the movies, but seeing as hollywood hasn;'t had a single original idea in the last 100 years or so, it's a good bet they got the idea from somewhere (I'm thinking it was some kind of native american thing ?).

Who's a clever boy then?!

What, no cracker ?

6th

ok there you go :rolleyes:

Anyway, fact is you are all probably right. I dont think that giving something aname gives it power but i'm sure the attention its getting might make it want more.

Having a family I am always caustion with regards to them and my home so its not like i am blind to the potential dangers of this. I just feel i need a few answers and once i get them, or believe that i will not get them without taking stupid risks, I will put this out of my life for good.

If people are uncomfortable dicussing it here then i'll keep it to myself and anyone with an interest can pm me. I just see this as an opportunity which i dont want to pass over at this time.

Even for me this all sounds nuts as like i've said before I am only used to dealing with very normal spirits/entities/ghosts/energies. I am aware of the dangers of looking into the unknown and the possibility of some sort of unhealthy obsession, trust me this will not be the case. I just have a few things i want to try find out.

Pink Bunny

Thanks for the kind words regarding my posts.

I don't know about the name thing being from a movie, could have been how the thought occurred to me, but I don't recall it. I didn't mean that naming it gives it power over you however. I can't quite verbalize just what I mean to convey with this thought actually. Like I said before, it has more to do with transferring energy through attention, but beyond that I just don't know. What I do know is that sometimes things can become attracted to us by invite or accident of birth and once they make themselves at home it's hard to get rid of them. Because of that I guess I am too cautious to be adventurous and fun anymore.;)

But please 6th, don't feel the need to stop discussing it on the forum. I don't think anyone wants you to and I certainly don't feel uncomfortable because of it. I'm really sorry if I gave that impression, I hadn't meant to.

6th

Sorted with all concerned via pm, hugs etc (though one of you did feel my bum!).

Anyway the thing is i do want to try contact it and get a name if i can, though before anyone says or even thinks it - I will not be using a Ouija Board!!

stevenmu

Pink Bunny wrote:

But please 6th, don't feel the need to stop discussing it on the forum. I don't think anyone wants you to and I certainly don't feel uncomfortable because of it. I'm really sorry if I gave that impression, I hadn't meant to.

Absolutely, I don't think there's any reason not to discuss it here.

6th

Stoner wrote:

Anyway Bunny if you think naming Scraggy is bad, you should hear 6th do the voice.

Thats been worrying me a little, I genuinely felt when i did the laugh at Ed that it almost wasnt me that made the noise, though obviously I did.

6th

I made some progress with it last night, i did some deep meditation and am finished with the whole thing. Obviously talking about it is no problem but i wont be having any more dealings with it.

Riamfada

what exactly is it that scares you mark ?

6th

Well what scared me originally was when i noticed it on the ceiling and the fact it behaved unlike anything i had experienced before. Once i got more comfortable/familiar with it i was just intrigued by it, it seemed to be extremely confident (not arrogant) and "knew its sh*t". Its behavior was quite creepy but that was just my mind not its intention from what i can gather.

Now as i said last night i made some headway, to the point where i'm done with it, coz basically i was pushing for a name. After nearly an hour of "dancing around it" i got two words in my ear very clearly, just as a few of us had heard "hheeerrreee" but right up close.

The two words took a second to register with me but once they did i acknowledged it and ask that i have no more dealings with it but appriciate what i had experienced so far.

The words i heard will mean nothing to some, others will probably exagerate it, some will say i'm nuts but i'm pretty sure kshiels will get a sinking feeling when she realises it makes a bit more sense.

The words where (as i heard them) "Bbaaaan Ssssshiiivvvv", which to me when it hit me was "Bean Sibhe". I'll hold off using the common term until someone else says it though its a subject that in my opinion has many misunderstandings.

Stoner

I remeneber you saying that you felt strange when you did the laugh alright, and they were very similar when played back on the tape. That was strange as I was only slightly aware of a sound at the time, I did hear something.

6th

No dont get me wrong, i still dont think Scraggy was evil, but after asking "her" to leave last night i felt a great weight lifted and i believe she made the effort to make me feel good on leaving as i treated her with nothing but respect.

I have to say even with all i've experienced i have a new and deeper respect for all things spirit.

kshiel

6th wrote:

The words i heard will mean nothing to some, others will probably exagerate it, some will say i'm nuts but i'm pretty sure kshiels will get a sinking feeling when she realises it makes a bit more sense.

The words where (as i heard them) "Bbaaaan Ssssshiiivvvv", which to me when it hit me was "Bean Sibhe". I'll hold off using the common term until someone else says it though its a subject that in my opinion has many misunderstandings.

Are you maybe refereing to the banshee. AS It would make a lot of sence alright. In more ways than one. I would like to get a few more peoples input on the reference before I type up the story before Ross Castle and After.

6th

Yeah i want to hear from a few people before i jump in too much. Though I am sure many people will come out with some particular misconception (imo) of the Banshee.

kshiel

My understanding of the banshee is she is the bringer of news of a death. She is not an evil person but an element in the supernatual side of death. That to us the living she gives us warning of a death to happen and to the spirit world she sort of tells them a soul is on the way (dont know if that makes sence).

6th

That close to my understanding, I'm thinking maybe a mod (;)) can seperate this into a Scraggy thread? or is there any point?

Riamfada

I didnt have a strong paranormal experience that night other than getting really freaked out being on the ground floor of the tower on my own late at night. I also heard the rasping voice on the recorder .

6th

Ok so not just the crazies heard that voice ... thats always good.

stevenmu

Split from the Ross Castle Report thread, (sorry took a bit longer to pick out all the relevant posts than I thought it would)

kshiel

http://www.geocities.com/trampingground/Banshee.html

A little movie to ligthen the tale./or creep you out.

6th

Ok thats not lighthearted, its not too scarey either but its a bit creepy!

Lighthearted would be if it was a Banshee juggling carrots while breakdancing.

kshiel

I know its creepy isn't it. Found it on web and thought it was well done. I actually got a laugh out of it. I am sick I know.

stormkeeper

As I mentioned before, I find myself thinking about Scraggy a fair bit... I dunno if this is because it's around, or someone else is thinking about them, but either way, it does concern me.

Zillah

kshiel wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/trampingground/Banshee.html

A little movie to ligthen the tale./or creep you out.

That was brilliant. I especially like the creeping death figure, very cool.

6th

I was hoping you'd have more to say on the whole scraagy thing Zillah

kshiel

I am quite surprised that not more opinions have been put up on this thread regarding scraggy.

I have like 6th dececided not to interact with this entity. I did however call for the want of a better word to scraggy before 6th did. I had protection and I did not spend as much time with her as 6th did either. I was simply told not to let her into your head. I did ask what she wanted and she gave me the impression she needed to get into my head to tell me this. I replied no and she left. I do have to admit there is a strange connection when she entered the room, and a peacefull feeling when she left which I do feel she wanted to leave. I do not think she means anyone any real harm (but unsure wheather she could ) only that I think my fear of this is because the connection is so strange. I dont feel I am the someone who could explain her only that she is a very powerful energy and I suppose not unlike us who wants to observe the spirit world I think she may observe ours. I feel I cannot put my finger on an explanation towards her that does and would not come out like me sounding like a complete nutter. She is one of lifes little elements that makes no sense to us at the moment but it does lead to an important question " What else is out there other than us and what is their role in this life?"

Actually I have to say to 6th, thanks for listening to me and not judging.

6th

*Quieten down nutbag!


*Joke

Anway expect a biggish post from me today on the whole thing.

kshiel

6th wrote:

*Quieten down nutbag!


*Joke

Anway expect a biggish post from me today on the whole thing.

Well If I am a nutbag it was not before Ross so your to blame

Looking forward to the big report sure we will see some input at that stage.