just wish to know more about Pharmacy and Pharmacology

seraphimvc

going to UCD for pharmacology~~~just curious about the question that i never get an answer~~:rolleyes:

firstly,this is as far as i know about em~~

Pharmacy is a profession that requires a license in order to practice as a pharmacist. In pursuing the B.Sc. Pharm degree, you move towards becoming eligible for a license to practice as a pharmacist. Subjects studied in pharmacy include the pharmaceutical sciences (pharmaceutics), pharmacokinetics, pharmacology, pharmacy practice, etc. The main responsibility of a pharmacist is to provide safe and effective use of medication for the patient. The pharmacist is also responsible for the legal distribution of scheduled drugs.

Pharmacology is a biological science and academic discipline that deals with the properties, uses and action of drugs and chemicals in living systems. A degree in pharmacology is a science degree and cannot be used in applying for a license to practice pharmacy.

so.........the main point that i get from above is
pharmacology is a science degree and cannot be used in applying for a license to practice pharmacy.

is that mean studying pharmocology is easier than pharmacy?
there is really no way to get that license once i get the degree of the course?
if i wanna do a Master Degree afterwards ,can i do the degree in an area which is more specific in the pharmacy area? which may lead me to become a pharmacist in the end?

and......hey.......license to practice pharmacy=opening a pharmacy shop? but ≠ working in a pharmacy?

juz feel abit gloomy tat fail to get my 1st choice of pharmacy in TCD with my 520 points.....:rolleyes:

anyway,just tell me everything u got for these 2 courses~~i 'll be grateful~~:p

Vorsprung

seraphimvc wrote:

going to UCD for pharmacology~~~just curious about the question that i never get an answer~~:rolleyes:

firstly,this is as far as i know about em~~

Pharmacy is a profession that requires a license in order to practice as a pharmacist. In pursuing the B.Sc. Pharm degree, you move towards becoming eligible for a license to practice as a pharmacist. Subjects studied in pharmacy include the pharmaceutical sciences (pharmaceutics), pharmacokinetics, pharmacology, pharmacy practice, etc. The main responsibility of a pharmacist is to provide safe and effective use of medication for the patient. The pharmacist is also responsible for the legal distribution of scheduled drugs.

Pharmacology is a biological science and academic discipline that deals with the properties, uses and action of drugs and chemicals in living systems. A degree in pharmacology is a science degree [/quote[

Right so far.

seraphimvc wrote:

and......hey.......license to practice pharmacy=opening a pharmacy shop? but ≠ working in a pharmacy?

You can still work in a pharmacy, it could be someone else's shop though!

Not positive about the rest, sorry. I'm pretty sure you need a pharmacy degree to be a pharmacist. Could be wrong though

Kurtosis

Well now, you can work in a pharmacy shop without being a qualified pharmacist, but you won't actually be doing the work of a pharmacist. Most pharmacies have a supervising pharmacist and maybe another one or two. After that all the people working there are not qualified pharmacists, so they aren't on the same salary tarriff as pharmacists.

So in conclusion:
You can work in a pharmacy, but you won't be a pharmacist, need a licence to work as a apharmacist in a pharmacy.

seraphimvc

thx alot~~guys~~^^

well.......tats seriously wat i scare of~~~anyway~~its a truth now~~

i checked out career direction.com~~well~~just a sample figure~~
A qualified and experienced Pharmacist earns in the range of EUR 54,500 - EUR 70,500 a year. Top earners may make up to EUR 104,000 a year.

A qualified and experienced Pharmacologist earns in the range of EUR 66,500 - EUR 89,500 a year

well...about salary~~not my concern though...i just think tat ,for my family ,they need someone who knows about medicines.....

if i wanna do further study(for Master degree ,imean),any info u guys can give?(just tell me watever u know~i dun really know about the system though~

seraphimvc

penguin88 wrote:

Well now, you can work in a pharmacy shop without being a qualified pharmacist, but you won't actually be doing the work of a pharmacist. Most pharmacies have a supervising pharmacist and maybe another one or two. After that all the people working there are not qualified pharmacists, so they aren't on the same salary tarriff as pharmacists.

So in conclusion:
You can work in a pharmacy, but you won't be a pharmacist, need a licence to work as a apharmacist in a pharmacy.

waitaminit..............so...........pharmacist is doing pharmacy work............so............wat is pharmacologist doing.............jesus.........

Faith

A pharmacologist generally works in big companies like Pfizer developing new drugs and stuff, if I'm not mistaken. You're behind the scenes.

seraphimvc

Faith wrote:

A pharmacologist generally works in big companies like Pfizer developing new drugs and stuff, if I'm not mistaken. You're behind the scenes.

suddenly i get it.........well....just a guess....=.=

pharmacologist is like focusing only on drugs

pharmacist is like they need the knowledge of using drugs (including the side effect n others factors) as they need to face patients/customers in the future,

so....maybe its just like pharmacist is focusing 'how' to use drugs~~ they may not have tat much specific knowledge to drugs if compare to pharmacologist(example,they need to know more detail of the drugs?)

tats this will involve the prob of getting tat licience or not~~is about human lives!!:rolleyes:

angeldelight

I just happened across this thread... I'm currently studying Pharmacy in RCSI...

The only way to become a Pharmacist in Ireland is to complete one of the three accredited Pharmacy courses in the country, in Trinity, RCSI, or UCC. Then do a pre-reg year working under the supervision of a tutor pharmacist for a year, and then complete the Licence Exam, run by the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland. http://www.pharmaceuticalsociety.ie more info there.

Pharmacology is one area that pharmacists study for 3 years. In college we also study anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, pharmaceutics, dispensing, pharmaceutical chemistry, compounding, business, clinical pharmacy, veterinary pharmacy, pharmacognosy, biotechnology, legislation, behavioural science and a few other things. They're very different degrees. I wouldn't say one is easier than the other, just different.

Pharmacists do a LOT of pharmacology so it's not really a case of them not knowing as much as pharmacologists.. they're just taught a lot of practical stuff rather than lots of theory.

With a pharmacology degree you could work in a big drug company in the lab, for the Irish Medicines Board assessing new compounds that people are seeking to sell in Ireland, work in academia, or lots of other avenues. You can't work as a pharmacist though.

There is a chance with a Pharmacology degree to get into a Pharmacy degree as a graduate student. There's 5 or 6 people in my year who have a degree in Pharmacology from UCD and used that to get into Pharmacy as they either didn't get the points the first time round or weren't interested in it at the time.

seraphimvc

angeldelight wrote:

I just happened across this thread... I'm currently studying Pharmacy in RCSI...

The only way to become a Pharmacist in Ireland is to complete one of the three accredited Pharmacy courses in the country, in Trinity, RCSI, or UCC. Then do a pre-reg year working under the supervision of a tutor pharmacist for a year, and then complete the Licence Exam, run by the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland. http://www.pharmaceuticalsociety.ie more info there.

Pharmacology is one area that pharmacists study for 3 years. In college we also study anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, pharmaceutics, dispensing, pharmaceutical chemistry, compounding, business, clinical pharmacy, veterinary pharmacy, pharmacognosy, biotechnology, legislation, behavioural science and a few other things. They're very different degrees. I wouldn't say one is easier than the other, just different.

Pharmacists do a LOT of pharmacology so it's not really a case of them not knowing as much as pharmacologists.. they're just taught a lot of practical stuff rather than lots of theory.

With a pharmacology degree you could work in a big drug company in the lab, for the Irish Medicines Board assessing new compounds that people are seeking to sell in Ireland, work in academia, or lots of other avenues. You can't work as a pharmacist though.

There is a chance with a Pharmacology degree to get into a Pharmacy degree as a graduate student. There's 5 or 6 people in my year who have a degree in Pharmacology from UCD and used that to get into Pharmacy as they either didn't get the points the first time round or weren't interested in it at the time.

thanks for the reply^O^RCSI?ah....my 1st choice......jealous.....:p
"There's 5 or 6 people in my year who have a degree in Pharmacology from UCD and used that to get into Pharmacy as they..."
:eek: so they r doing a Degree or Master Degree now?

i have heard that if u r doin some science degree(especially general science?)~u can do further study in any science subject tat u wan,but the fact tat u would need to spend another 3/4(depends) years to get a degree 4 tat subject?

angeldelight

seraphimvc wrote:

so they r doing a Degree or Master Degree now?

They're doing a degree. It's their second degree. A Masters is a different type of course, you don't automatically get a Masters for doing another degree.

i have heard that if u r doin some science degree(especially general science?)~u can do further study in any science subject tat u wan,but the fact tat u would need to spend another 3/4(depends) years to get a degree 4 tat subject?

If you got a degree in Pharmacology (just for an example), yes you could go on and do further study... you could do a Masters or a Doctorate in an aspect of Pharmacology. You could also join in to some other degrees maybe skipping first year... but you can't do that with Pharmacy. The PSI website states that you must complete 4 years of an accredited Pharmacy degree to be eligible to register as a pharmacist.

Crazy_marble

I'm doing the pharmacology course in UCD at the moment (through general science) if you want to know more about what we/you will study. Instead of focusing on doses and how to prescribe drugs to patients, we learn more about how the drugs work, what parts of the body they focus on and the physiological actions they have. You do a bit of physiology and anatomy, and you learn about different types of diseases/infections and the drugs used to treat them. Further on you go into a bit of detail about cell signalling pathways, specific mechanisms of action of drugs, toxicology and that sort of stuff...

You'll be able to use a pharmacology degree to go on and do further study (you can go on to do one of the Pharmacy degrees but you'll have to pay full fees to do so and I have a feeling you might have to wait until you're considered a mature student to apply but don't quote me on that...) or else work in the area of drug development, research into diseases and the drugs used to treat them, toxicology testing etc etc.

Sorry, that was a bit of a rant...I'm thinking a lot about the subject of college at the moment coz I've spent the last few days trying to track down a non-existent timetable (which apparently even the course director doesn't have) and figure out what I have to do next Monday! Hope it was of help anyway and good luck on Monday

Crazy_marble

seraphimvc wrote:

A qualified and experienced Pharmacologist earns in the range of EUR 66,500 - EUR 89,500 a year

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Oh and also, I think to be considered a pharmacologist you need to do a PhD in that area. Doing a pharmacology degree only qualifies you as a science graduate so if you're looking to earn big you might want to set aside an extra four years! It's a really interesting field to study though...

Sarn

seraphimvc wrote:

A qualified and experienced Pharmacologist earns in the range of EUR 66,500 - EUR 89,500 a year

I just stumbled across this thread (a bit late obviously). Unfortunately you'll be waiting a long time before you hit those kinds of salaries as a pharmacologist. As mentioned you would need to do a PhD (another 4 years or so) and then wait about 10 years. I know pharmacologists with PhDs starting on 35k.

nando

On a kind of related topic - what would graduates of Trinity's Medicinal Chemistry course be expected to end up doing? I know it's a newish course but any general ideas?

I did pharmacology as part of my degree (vet) and I loved it - my fave subject. I guess we did a bit of (vet) pharmacy too - along with everything else: medicine, surgery, dentistry, pharmacy - oh the stress, no wonder I'm taking a break!

John

Med Chem is kind of the precursor in the manufacturing process, i.e. the creation of novel molecules or refinement of existing molecules. Pharmacologists tend to use chemicals that are already in existance, med chemists look at what current chemicals are and what they do and how they can be tweaked. It's heavy on the organic chemistry (mainly synthesis) and is quite tough. I know a couple of people who've done it. One wanted to go back and do pharmacy, the other's donig a research PhD but on what exactly I don't know. Every time he explains it to me I get more and more lost!

DrIndy

Imagine:

Medicinal chemistry - synthesising new drugs from base components
What binds to what and does what at what receptor etc....
Pharmacology - how drugs work in the body human or otherwise
Pharmacy - study of drugs and understanding their effects on humans and disease and side effects for dispensing
Medicine - diagnosing diseases and deciding which drugs are appropriate drugs that should be prescribed in each case.

Anthony16

Any1 know whether it would be better to study pharmacy or pharmacology,in terms of salary,employment prospects etc ?

locum-motion

Anthony16 wrote: »

Any1 know whether it would be better to study pharmacy or pharmacology,in terms of salary,employment prospects etc ?

Anthony,

More important than the salary/employment prospects etc is to answer the question:

What do I want to do with my life?

If you want to be a research scientist/academician/lab rat/work in a pharmaceutical factory etc etc etc then you could pursue a degree in either pharmacy or pharmacology with (as far as I know, but open to correction) no huge difference in salary and prospects. In either case you would probably have to pursue post-grad study (Masters/ PhD etc) to really get ahead.

If you want to work in a community or hospital pharmacy as a pharmacist, then a pharmacology degree is of no (direct) use to you. You need a degree in pharmacy to register as a pharmacist. That being said, many people find their way into a pharmacy degree course having previously completed all or part of another science degree, and pharmacology is no exception. So if your dream is to become a pharmacist, and you don't get the points but are offered pharmacology, then all is not lost.