May-Yo V De Dubs

Culchie

Should we even bother turning up ?

whassupp2

East Vs West

Mayo V Dublin
Leitrim V Louth
Roscommon V Meath

Shud be fun:D

Flukey

Come on Dublin, Leitrim and Roscommon.

DUB

The midfield should be even enough so it'll depend on who takes their chances better, Dublin seem to have been getting more wasteful as the summer has gone on so hopefully we can arrest the slide and be more economical. All in all this has the potential to be a real cracker, the league encounter was much more even then the final score suggested.

Culchie

DUB wrote:

the league encounter was much more even then the final score suggested.

Yes, Mayo had the better of Dublin for the first 20 minutes ... then got hit by 2 sucker punch goals and Mayo collapsed....game over.

That is what I liked about Mayo's response to Galway this year after being hit by a similar fate in the Connaught Final (it was at exactly this point I seen something in this team I very much liked)...and their response when falling behing to Laois with two minutes to go in the drawn game.

Mayo haven't played well yet this year, and here we are in the last 4.

Can't wait for Sunday !!

DUB

We couldnt get near yez for the first 20 minutes, then again, we're playing much better now then back then, then again, those two games v Laois will have brought yez on ... In brief I can't feckin wait for it!

yurmothrintites

I cant wait for the match either. The thing about mayo i've noticed recently is they play better when faced up against great teams. Take for example against Kerry in the league. But i'd say this match is very hard to call. Both teams want it really bad and the standard of football is v good. It will be a brilliant match on sunday!

Aido c

I cannot see how Mayo have any stomach for another all Ireland final day loss to Kerry, it has to be soul destroying - and Kerry are getting better every game so it would seem that winning the next days game will be about as useful as rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

In light of the above, which would have to be a concern at the very least - I cannot see them overcoming the great big blue wall of sound. Dublin has the stomach for a shot at Ciar, Mayo - maybe not.

(hope they do though, easier to get tickets )

Culchie

Aido c wrote:

I cannot see how Mayo have any stomach for another all Ireland final day loss to Kerry, it has to be soul destroying - and Kerry are getting better every game so it would seem that winning the next days game will be about as useful as rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

In light of the above, which would have to be a concern at the very least - I cannot see them overcoming the great big blue wall of sound. Dublin has the stomach for a shot at Ciar, Mayo - maybe not.

(hope they do though, easier to get tickets )

LOL, Mayo are foaming at the mouth to have another pop at Kerry ...obviously we are sick sadists, but whatever Mayo shortcomings will be, it won't be lack of any 'stomach'

UnitedIrishman

I love going into these games as underdogs. People wrote us off against Tyrone two years ago and they were a far better side than this Dublin side.

I reckon we'll give them a rattle. If the lads give it their all, they'll get their rewards.

Nalced_irl

Aido c wrote:

so it would seem that winning the next days game will be about as useful as rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

I have to LOL at that. Ill have to remember that phrase! Id say this could be some game really. Once both teams show for it as we know they can it could be a cracking close game. I think Mayo, underdogs or not, are well capable of winning this game but as are the Dubs so it really could be a cracker!

enda1

I think this will be a non event. I was at the drawn game, shouting for Mayo. I thought is was awful. The standard of football was brutal. I think Dublin will win comfortably on Sunday. I'm actualy surprised that you all seem to think that it will be a close game. Was talking about this in work today and most people think mayo haven't got a hope (work is all Dubs though, as am I). Maybe I'm a bit biased, but I think this is a weaker mayo side than two years ago and a stronger Dublin side.

2-12 to 10 points.

jank

Im not sure about this game. Dublin have had it easy so far in the championship so maybe this will be their first real test. You just dont know with Mayo though they might perform to their potential and give dublin a real game or they might wilter and the game will be over in 10 minutes.

Im finding it hard to see dublin losing this one.

However at the end of the day its irrleavent as Kerry will hammer either of these two teams. No way in Hell are Kerry going to lose a 2nd all ireland in row.

Blackjack

Aido c wrote:

(hope they do though, easier to get tickets )

If Mayo get to a final, tickets are gold dust - literally. I've been to 2 of the 4 finals that Mayo have been to in my lifetime, and getting those tickets was very very difficult.
Don't know what it's like for Dublin, but you can imagine the amount of people that travel from far and wide to see Mayo lift sam.

kevmy

I think we can win this one!!(i suppose typical Mayo fan the further we progress the more confident i become:rolleyes: )
One reason is that i reckon we can break even in midfield because McGarrity is having is most consistent year for Mayo so far and we have good subs in the area.
If we do this i think our forwards can outscore the Dubs. Not cos ours are great just that the Dubs are even more wasteful and the stuff you see in the papers about Mayo needing a lot of ball to score maybe true but can be applied equally to Dublin. Also their forwards have yet to perform under pressure this year which is when the probs will always arise whereas Mayo have had four tight-ish games so far where we had to score late on.
I also think our bench is better Pat Kelly, Howley, LOMalley(?), B Moran, D Brady, A Moran, T Mort(?), JGill have all played well for Mayo this year and the past when called upon.
Dublins massive support could turn sour as a lot of supporters are expecting an easy win and won't get it and may start getting on their players backs.
I think we have more experience of this stage of the Championship and winning big games. 4 semis in the last ten years and we won 3 of them compared to Dublins one which they lost.

Reasons to worry to though. Goals both scoring and conceding i can't see us getting any more than one at best. However i can see the Dubs getting one although Clarke in instead of Healy should help.
Also Dubs look stronger physically and a bit fitter. I thought we looked tired in both Laois games especially in the forwards. C Mort looked fcuked the last day near the end - kicked away two balls - and Keith Higgins had to be taken off in the drawn game not a good sign.

Flukey

Blackjack, for every All-Ireland Final, Hurling or Football, no matter what counties are playing, tickets are like Gold Dust. As for the match on Sunday, well let me put it this way, you won't need to be looking for tickets for the final.

bluemoon21

Im really looking forward to it, depends whether Mayo can rise to the occasion. I mena Dublin are having a good championship but i think that no team is unbeatable. Reckon there will be a huge turnout for the Dubs. I think if Mayo can keep possession then they will have a better came when i was watching the Loais game most of Loais s points came from the amount of frees we gave them if we can tinghten up the defrense and not give frees away we have a chance. I have my Jersey washed and ironed anyway, just got to find a pub in Birmingham that will show the game as i have to visit family.

Blackjack

Flukey wrote:

Blackjack, for every All-Ireland Final, Hurling or Football, no matter what counties are playing, tickets are like Gold Dust. As for the match on Sunday, well let me put it this way, you won't need to be looking for tickets for the final.

Yeah, but if Mayo are playing, tickets are a bigger premium. Too many looking to see the first (of many hopefully) since 51.

As for not needing tickets for the final, Balls. We'll breeze past the Dubs and run and marathon next sunday for the laugh. I guarantee it!*.



















*Not a guarantee;) .

yurmothrintites

Im sick of all the punters writing off mayo, every match they are predicted to be the losers and they havent lost a championship match this year! As for dublin, they really haven't played a challenging team this year yet so there is no telling what they're really made of.! Sure this match could go either way but analysists in rte have been proved wrong every match concerning mayo over the last few weeks. If mayo tighten their shot taking then the dubs will have something to worry about.

Blackjack

yurmothrintites wrote:

Im sick of all the punters writing off mayo, every match they are predicted to be the losers and they havent lost a championship match this year! As for dublin, they really haven't played a challenging team this year yet so there is no telling what they're really made of.! Sure this match could go either way but analysists in rte have been proved wrong every match concerning mayo over the last few weeks. If mayo tighten their shot taking then the dubs will have something to worry about.

that's quite true (2004 we were tipped by the pundits to lose evey game bar the game against Fermanagh), although in all honesty, I do think Dublin have a fitter side this year. The last 10 minutes will be quite telling.
Make no mistake, I'll be one very happy mayoman if we do win.

Flukey

yurmothrintites wrote:

If mayo tighten their shot taking

As long as I have been watching Mayo play, that has always been a problem for them. They produce some good teams, but whatever it is, they seem to always have a problem with forwards getting the ball on target. Of all counties in the country, Mayo is the one that most wants to win the All-Ireland, and should it happen it will spark off the biggest celebrations seen for All-Ireland winners for some time. I hope to see it some day. So whoever wins on Sunday, I'll be supporting them come the final.

Paul Caffrey has named the same team that started against Westmeath.

threebeards

Flukey wrote:

As long as I have been watching Mayo play, that has always been a problem for them. They produce some good teams, but whatever it is, they seem to always have a problem with forwards getting the ball on target. .

I think at this stage it's a case of it being a subconscious thing with the forwards. Most pundits (probably since 96) have been pointing that out and that has to effect the mindset of the players.

Flukey wrote:

Of all counties in the country, Mayo is the one that most wants to win the All-Ireland, and should it happen it will spark off the biggest celebrations seen for All-Ireland winners for some time.

The county won't be right for a month afterwards whenever it happens.

Flukey wrote:

I hope to see it some day. So whoever wins on Sunday, I'll be supporting them come the final.

Fair play Flukey

The Rooster

Also because of Mayo's history of bad forwards (and personally I put the blame mostly at the feet of McMenanmin!) their wides seem to get more attention than anyone else's.

I think the stats on Sunday were 14 points and 8 wides for Mayo. This compares to Kerry's 16 points and 9 wides. Both teams also had shots land in the keeper's hands, I'd guess Mayo 4 Kerry 2 in that regard. Overall not too dissimilar. IMO Mayo's forwards were far from bad last week, they were decent. Those stats are not much if any worse than what Dublin and Kerry have done most of the year (excl Dublin v Laois when everything went over).

Culchie

The Rooster wrote:

Also because of Mayo's history of bad forwards (and personally I put the blame mostly at the feet of McMenanmin!) their wides seem to get more attention than anyone else's.

I think the stats on Sunday were 14 points and 8 wides for Mayo. This compares to Kerry's 16 points and 9 wides. Both teams also had shots land in the keeper's hands, I'd guess Mayo 4 Kerry 2 in that regard. Overall not too dissimilar. IMO Mayo's forwards were far from bad last week, they were decent. Those stats are not much if any worse than what Dublin and Kerry have done most of the year (excl Dublin v Laois when everything went over).

At last ! Someone with some sense of perspective.

I heard that Colm O'Rourke said in his pre-match commentary Mayo would never score 13 or 14 points.

2006 Stats
Mayo have scored 1-18, 1-10, 0-12, 0-15 and 0-15 ... so average 0.4-14.0

They also scored 5-95 for 7 league games in Div 1 ... so average .71 - 13.6

so in fairness Mayo do score alot ... our problem is not being efficent enough, we create lots of chances, but the % converted is not high enough.
God help the team when they do click though, they will get a thumping.


By far the biggest weakness we have this year is our First Half Display ... we cannot afford to give the Dubs this head start.

If Mayo can hold the Dubs to a point or two at half time, I'd be happy enough.

I respect the Dubs, but I am quite confident we'll beat them on Sunday.
I think we have the better team player for player, and we have the better bench. Underdog tag suits us to the ground, and the more the papers write us off the more confident I become.....We're also due a goal which will really put the cat among the pigeons.

Jason Sherlock is the real danger man as far as I'm concerned. Shane Ryan also needs to curtailed and I see James Nallen being asked to do a man to man on him.
Stop Ryan and the momentum he generates throughout the team with his Bulldozer approach, and you cut off the fuel of the engine.

Figment

I am looking forward to the match. I think Mayo will put up a good fight.
I wont get to see it though because i will be outside selling t-shirts I just hope it doesnt rain...

littlesurfer

I cant wait for this match!!! I hope to god dublin win though......as a dublin girl I say up the Dubs!!! But more importantly as the girlfriend of a mayo man.....i hope,hope, hope.....that mayo don't win.......If they do i aint' gona see my beautiful boyfriend for a really ...really ,...really long time...

Flukey

threebeards wrote:

I think at this stage it's a case of it being a subconscious thing with the forwards. Most pundits (probably since 96) have been pointing that out and that has to effect the mindset of the players.

It goes back a lot further than that. Remember, that from when Mayo last won the All-Ireland in 1951, they did not reach the final again until 1989, though they played in plenty of sem-finals. It has always been a case that Galway play well in Croke Park and Mayo don't. On a few occasions Mayo have thrown that idea aside, particularly the 96/97 team. They should have won the All-Ireland in 1996, whatever about 1997. Their shooting though, and not just in Croke Park, is always a problem. Other counties have it too, but Mayo have a real reputation for it.

Fair play Flukey

As a GAA fan, I think it is always great to see a new county or a county that hasn't won it for a long time win. Kerry have 33 All-Irelands, Dublin have 22 and the next best is Galway on just 9, with the rest all crowded in behind that. So it is great to see Kerry not win it, and even as a Dublin fan, it can be good when they don't win it either and one of the others or a new one does. It has been great over recent years in Leinster to see a lot of different counties win it, after a prolonged period of Dublin and Meath dominating it. As a Dub though, it is good to see Dublin winning the last 2 of course.

Culchie

Flukey wrote:

It goes back a lot further than that. Remember, that from when Mayo last won the All-Ireland in 1951, they did not reach the final again until 1989, though they played in plenty of sem-finals.

Mayo had a poor team from their 1950's team up until 1984 or so.

This was more to do with the utter devastation of almost 90% emigration of men over the age of 16 than anything else.

Your post is valid though.

Yavvy

apologies if im repeating things already said... havent read every post.

Here is my take on the game...

McD will get sucked in too deep by dublins midfield, whelan will have a good game but Shane ryan will finally take center stage as a great midfielder. however it will be a serious battle at midfield ..Dublins defence will prove too strong and while both teams will miss a host of oppertunities to score dublins brand of faster attacking ball will see them win out by...3-4 points... but it will be nip and tuck till 60 mins ???

anyone agree

threebeards

Culchie wrote:

Mayo had a poor team from their 1950's team up until 1984 or so.

This was more to do with the utter devastation of almost 90% emigration of men over the age of 16 than anything else.

Your post is valid though.

I agree with everything both of you said. My point just was that it's only since the mid 90's or so that the likes of Spillane and his ilk have made such an issue about the Mayo forwards.

Blackjack

threebeards wrote:

I agree with everything both of you said. My point just was that it's only since the mid 90's or so that the likes of Spillane and his ilk have made such an issue about the Mayo forwards.

Only since the mid-90's did they have anything to have issue with, to be honest.
I would not hold the opinion and his fellow travellers in very high regard to be honest. He writes to his audience, and he writes for papers that sell only in the South west and east.
Look at the main competition Mayo has had (Cork, Meath, Kerry and Kerry) in the last 4 finals.
Correct as he may have been, he was very nearly wrong 3 out of those 4.

Blackjack

Alany wrote:

apologies if im repeating things already said... havent read every post.

Here is my take on the game...

McD will get sucked in too deep by dublins midfield, whelan will have a good game but Shane ryan will finally take center stage as a great midfielder. however it will be a serious battle at midfield ..Dublins defence will prove too strong and while both teams will miss a host of oppertunities to score dublins brand of faster attacking ball will see them win out by...3-4 points... but it will be nip and tuck till 60 mins ???

anyone agree

Write McD off at your Peril - I'll agree that it's likely to be won or lost in the last 10 minutes, but to say that Dublin's faster attacking football will beat Mayo's defence, well, let's see how it goes sunday. I can see Dublin shading it through overall fitness, but you can't write off a mayo team, particularly one that had such a long lay off before the first Laois game.

Either ways I don't want to see Kerry win (again) this year.

Bob the Builder

yurmothrintites wrote:

Im sick of all the punters writing off mayo, every match they are predicted to be the losers and they havent lost a championship match this year! As for dublin, they really haven't played a challenging team this year yet so there is no telling what they're really made of.! Sure this match could go either way but analysists in rte have been proved wrong every match concerning mayo over the last few weeks. If mayo tighten their shot taking then the dubs will have something to worry about.

Amen to that!

Flukey

Cork have been a bit of a bogey team for Mayo. In that 1989 final, Anthony Finnerty scored a great goal for Mayo. If they had followed it up with a quick point the momentum would have carried them on to win it. Unfortunately, they didn't.

Cork gave them an awful hammering in the 93 semi-final, though they had a late burst of scores which made it look worse than it was. Mayo opened strongly against them in 1999, but again Cork overhauled them.

As for 1996, 6 points up at one stage, and the hop of a ball made a draw out of it. Cruel. I think they were 6 points up at one stage in the replay too, the match more remembered for the melee than anything else. Meath were always a cynical team. Knowing he would be a danger man, they knobbled Peter Canavan early in their semi-final against Tyrone that year.

I don't think Mayo were quite as good in 1997. After beating Kerry in the semi-final in 1996, a repeat performance was hoped for, but Maurice Fitzgerald took the limelight in what was otherwise a disappointing final. Galway winning the All-Ireland the following year, breaking the 32 year Connacht famine, must have really hurt Mayo after their two failed attempts.

For this year, they have an uphill task to take Sam, given the two teams they'll have to beat. They need a controlled Kieran McDonald and better shooting if they are to do it. It'd be great to see, but they have a lot of improving to do.

The Rooster

Im sick of all the punters writing off mayo, every match they are predicted to be the losers and they havent lost a championship match this year!

There seems to be a certain persecution complex in Mayo!

"every match they are predicted to be losers"
What nonsense!

London - Mayo raging hot favourites
Leitrim - Mayo hot favourites
Galway - punters split 50/50 or thereabouts
Laois - punters split 50/50 or thereabouts

The Dublin game is the one and only game in this championship where there seems to be a sizeable majority going against Mayo, but its certainly not everybody, and as the weeks goes on you see more and more "experts" giving Mayo a good chance.

threebeards

Flukey wrote:

the hop of a ball made a draw out of it.

John Madden *Shudder*

Flukey

Those hop of the ball points happen occasionally. That was a famous one, as was the one that played a big part in the Dublin v Meath 1991 first round saga. From early June into July 1990, the whole country was gripped by the World Cup in Italy. From early June into July 1991, the whole country was gripped by the Dublin v Meath saga in the Leinster Championship. That is the power our game has. If Mayo win the All-Ireland this year, it will grip the whole country, similar to Clare's All-Ireland Hurling Final win did in 1995.

kevmy

I don't quite think it would. It would be fanatastic if we won it and a lot of people would like to see us win it but alot of what Clare had thatyear was the raw charisma and crazy determination of Ger Loughnane. Saw what ya want about Moran but charisma is not exactly oozing out of him. A sort of dry slow northern drawl, i usually fall asleep when he's talking no matter what he's saying.

Lemlin

I'm just hoping for a good game of football with some intensity.

Culchie

threebeards wrote:

John Madden *Shudder*

I'm one of the few who felt he could do nothing about that.

It bounced nearer the penalty spot than the goal-line, and the full back and full forward were underneath it, and misjudged flight.... it was very difficult to leave his line in those circumstances.


I wasn't mad about him as a keeper tbh, but I don't think he could do much about it.... 'one of those things'.

blackbelt

I wouldn't write off any Mayo chances but I would like to talk about this mentality and idea that Dublin have played "nobody" thus far.That was said to me by a Kerryman in my club.

While Dublin haven't been really tested by such teams,the likes of Longford gave Dublin a fright and Offaly was a closer more physical match even if Dublin won v comfortably.The truth is that you can only beat who's put in front of you and Dublin have done this.A lot of critics have blamed Dublin for their match against Westmeath but despite the amount of wides,they still hockeyed Westmeath who beat Galway.Dublin hammered and made Laois give up after 20 mins,I think Dublin have a bigger killer instinct than Mayo have had in these last few matches.

Mayo on the other hand have beaten London,Leitrim,Galway and Laois(who improved rapidly since June v Dublin.I believe the display Dublin put up against Westmeath will not be the same as Dublins performance tomorrow.Alan Brogan,Jason Sherlock and Mossy Quinn will be Mayos big threat.David Heaney should contain Dublins attack for some of the match with Mortimer,McDonald leading the Mayo charge.

I think Dublins defense is always a bit shakey but should do well tomorrow but Mayo shooting will be much better with less wides as they know they can't get away with as many wides against Dublin or Kerry.Dublin have had less trouble with shooting and free kicks.

To be honest,I would not be surprised to see a draw with many fans happy with the game while others feel robbed if this is to occur but I think Dublin will win this game by about 4 points.

caesar

blackbelt wrote:

I wouldn't write off any Mayo chances but I would like to talk about this mentality and idea that Dublin have played "nobody" thus far.That was said to me by a Kerryman in my club.

It's only now that i realise that you could say that about Mayo, Dublin or Kerry. Kerry beat Armagh but thats it really, one good game and a poor display by Armaghs own standards. Hasn't been a great championship so far imo.

Flukey

I was talking to a Mayo man last Sunday and he said that Mayo always put up one good performance per year, and they have not done that yet. Still, I don't think it will be enough for them tomorrow.

theCzar

Dublin may not have faced the creme de la creme but they've dispatched decent teams by more than double scores, three games in a row. Make it four I'll be in a damn fine mood. Make it five and i won't come down for several years

Come on you boys in blue...

sgthighway

The Dubs "milled" by Mayo

Bob the Builder

sgthighway wrote:

The Dubs "milled" by Mayo

Best game Mayo Ever Played!!!!

Chucky the tree

Haha, great stuff.

muletide

well done Mayo - savage game finally the Dubs will shut up for a few months. I wonder who will they blame, the ref/umpires/ball tampering.


Mayo for Sam

Sad to see Dublin out, but what a game.

Mountjoy Mugger

Great bloody game of football. Well done to both teams for a cracking match!

gyppo

Lemlin wrote:

I'm just hoping for a good game of football with some intensity.

You got that.:D